A lot of mistakes in Man of Steel

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  1. willprot Registered

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    While I do have may share of issues with the movie, I really liked Man of Steel but one thing I noticed is there are a LOT of little mistakes that are blatant.
    Clark inexplicably finds a suit made for him which fits and has his own family crest in a random abandoned ship that is 18,000 years old

    When Zod's message appears to the masses of Earth it shows countries all around the world, America, Asia, Africa but it's night time everywhere. Yes night time set a better atmosphere but still.

    200 years ago we as humans were using cart and buggies but today we are on the verge of quantum physics, yet Krypton civilization was 100,000 years old, they are terraforming planets, literally changing other planet to be like Krypton yet they can't fix their own. 100,000 years they should be WAY more advanced and they partly were.

    For some reason all the Kryptonians had super strength and speed but seemed not to have super senses until their helmets were removed, this doesn't make sense. Either they had super powers or they didn't; putting on a helmet wouldn't in anyway stop their senses unless it was canceling their powers completely because of the atmospherics and thus no strength or speed.

    The world engine was using gravity to lift and crush cars yet people were completely unaffected, running right next to cars being crushed.

    Faora Ul punches out 6 or 7 soldiers in a matter of seconds yet stands stupefied as Colonel Hardy very slowly pushes the helm and sends the airplane into her ship, why didn't she just give him a super speed punch and veer the airplane away, truth be told she could have done both at regular speed and been safe.

    Superman fights Zod miles around Metropolis and then into space and then comes crashing back to Earth in flames, yet they land in walking distance of Lois and were they started the fight, seems unlikely.

    And lastly the government can't figure out Clark is Superman, but a policeman was standing 50 feet away from Lois Lane AT the Kent farm as she yells out Clark! to Superman. That's forgetting about the two Kryptonian ships that the government clearly tracked with radar that landed at the Kent farm.

    They also don't mention how the Kryptonians spoke English, since they clearly only learned of Earth when Clark activated the ship a few days prior but that one can slide.
    I'm not trying to nit-pick but the inaccuracies kept compounding and suspension of disbelief can only go so far. I'm not saying they may not have had answers for some of these but... you have to show it. You can't just make your viewers assume there is an answer or make up their own. If that's the case they could just have Superman snap his fingers and have Zod drop dead and let the viewers assume there was a valid reason behind it, that's not very entertaining.
     
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    did you miss the part where she loses her helmet which made her take in all of the powers like x ray vision,heat vision,super hearing,ec. all at the same time

    remember when zod lost his helmet he was on the floor in pain

    did you miss all of this:huh:
     
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    Oh good lord, have you bothered to read any threads here or listened to podcasts or anything related to the movie before making that post? :)

    Hrmmm...
     
  4. Dr Magneto Doom Kneel before me...

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    This is pointless, I bet every film has things to nitpick on including classics and "greatest films of all time". This is a comic book hero made into a movie, it is fiction. Get over it! Goddaaamn.
     
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    What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything?

    Since I'm not sure what you mean I will say this, as above the helmet should not have mattered one way or the other, either they had all super powers or they shouldn't of had any.

    That said with Faora after the part you mention she comes back into the plane uses super speed to incapacitate two soldiers, then burst through the ceiling using super strength and stares menacingly at Colonel Hardy and then proceeds to dumbfoundedly watch the colonel veer the airplane into her ship.
     
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    Nope, this is a forum it's made for people to discuss things. I watched a movie, I'm discussing it.

    No one should have to watch a podcast or ANYTHING outside of watching a movie to get the full story, that in and of itself is asinine. If you want to discuss what you heard go for it, if not there are other threads for you to read and reply to.
     
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    I can tell you put a lot of thought into this, but as mentioned above, a lot of these issues have been covered in the past couple of weeks here.

    You might want to check out the thread, "What are your complaints", or read back through the "All Things Superman" thread at the top. There are some other threads that specifically discuss some of these specific issues as well. :yay:
     
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    In this retelling (and new) Superman tale, a Kryptonian here on Earth doesn't get all their powers just from our younger yellow sun: Earth's very atmosphere itself provides some of the powers as well so in order for a Kryptonian to get "all the goodies," so to speak, they not only have to be exposed to our younger yellow sun's radiation but also directly exposed to Earth's atmosphere - that means breathing the air which is prevented by the helm the Kryptonians are wearing which provides them with their Kryptonian atmosphere.

    It's pretty much explained well enough in this movie, seriously, and the overwhelming majority "get it" with respect to this "mistake" which isn't.
     
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    The point is that you're going to get a ton of people telling you "It's been covered, read other threads" because it has been covered, in other threads.

    You'll figure it out quite soon, I'm certain.

    Why do you think some threads say "Part (xx)"? It's because there have been thousands upon thousands upon thousands of posts with spoilers, discussion, covering everything from start to finish and then back again, dozens of times over.
     
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    These aren't complaints they are mistakes, I'm not complaining about them at all, just pointing them out, maybe someone had some insight. To be quite honest I looked at that long ass thread but no I'm not planing to read it all to discuss the few talking points I'm interested in, this is a forum. Anyone can reply to or ignore whichever threads they feel, no harm no foul.
     
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    That's your opinion, of course.
     
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    Uh....no, they are complaints, hence, my choice to direct you over there . It is your opinion that they are mistakes, and you certainly have every right to believe that.
     
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    You know what, screw that. I read all the time people stating this has been covered or that has been covered. There is no rule on forums that say someone can try to discuss a topic that has already been covered. if YOU see a topic that you feel has already been covered that you don't want to be involved in, then guess what don't reply to it and don't get involved.

    There are new people who join forums every day that may want to discuss or add something new to topics that others have discussed in the passed, that is their prerogative, it harms you in no way to just pass over it and go to the next. New ideas and new points of view and new users are healthy to any site, if its old to you then good, just move on.
     
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    I seem to remember Superman successfully used his heat vision to harm the Kryptonians and their armors at one point. But somehow he never used that again against them.
     
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    Ok, fine, I was going to explain things to you with respect to the points you're complaining about (and yes, they're complaints based on your personal opinion of how you think things should have been done in this movie) but I suppose that won't be necessary now.

    You try to help some people, I tell ya... :doh:
     
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    While you are right that it may not be a mistake as I said in the bottom of my first post, it is only a complaint if I personally find some grievance or dissatisfaction. I don't, just seemed mostly unlikely but I find it mostly very amusing... which I'm fine with.
     
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    You make a really good point. I don't have to be here, so I'm outta here, but not because I disagree with your original post; I just think you're being kinda grumpy.
     
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    A lot of these are not really mistakes or plot holes, just "unknowns" which can easily be explained or simply aren't that important.

    Its alien technology, that's explanation enough for me. Maybe the ship made the suit on the spot. Maybe the robot that saw him analyzed his height and build and found a suit of a similar size. etc. etc. Not really a plot hole, just an unknown.

    A legitimate problem, but one that appears in many, many movies.

    I don't quite understand this complaint. They destroyed their planet through their technological excess (using up all their resources) and their bizarre cultural demands (genetically engineered people who weren't made to properly deal with a crisis when it arrived).

    The suits allowed in a small amount of solar energy to help them acclimate to the planet. Eventually Zod acclimated and was able to take his helmet off and master his senses. The others didn't. It obviously doesn't completely block out the sun, it just does so enough to keep their abilities under control. Think of it as the difference between a tan and a sunburn.

    Not true. In the film people are clearly being sucked into the sky. You need to watch this part again.

    The plane wasn't supposed to be able to get close enough. She was probably surprised that Kal destroyed the other part of the engine and that Hardy was willing to die. It wasn't that long a pause.

    This is a total non-issue. It seems unlikely? Why? You just feel that way?

    A legitimate problem, I'll grant, but the film ends to early for us to guess at the ramifications (if any) of these events.

    What? Kryptonians knew of earth AND humans way before that. Lara's computer even had a read-out of the planet, remember? She specifically chose it for Kal. They had plenty of info on earth in their systems. And their "talk through everyone's TV at once" trick showed that they could learn and speak the necessary languages. No biggie.
     
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    Again an issue where the pacing of the story in the movie exceeds the viewer's ability to keep up. Some of these things you can come to your own conclusion about because overall the story gives you the necessary information (in this instance superpowers gained from Earth's atmosphere) instead of trying to.explain every minute detail along the way.
     
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    Finally a decent response, well of course you are right, but as I said in my first post they leave a lot of unknowns. You come up with answers like "Maybe the ship made the suit on the spot." which of course what you must think in that circumstance but like I say in my first post you may as well just have superman snap his fingers a Zod drop dead and have the viewers guess why of course we could think of an answer to fit... its just not the best way to do it... but fine.


    As stated these aren't complaints as much as things I see as mistakes that are amusing, scientifically the rate of advancement of a 100,000 species would most likely be able to build a planet from scratch but that's neither here nor there it's a movie so fair enough.

    This is a valid explanation which I like but in truth there is no real reason behind that being the case, Earth was an unknown planet and they abandoned space travel eons ago so there would be no reason for the suits to be designed that way other than... saying they were, so they were, again that's fine

    ... but not crushed like the cars that's was exactly what I found amusing


    Well, it is statically unlikely not because I feel that way because of physics and science, there is no way around that. That said while highly improbable it is possible. Again I am amused by it it's not a complaint

    Lara was a scientist, Zods bunch were soldiers who probably never heard of Earth. That said how many cultures do you know of on Earth but can't speak their language, I'm sure there are many scientist how know of many countries and can't speak as well. However I let that one slide because as you said, I will assume their mind warp device could teach them English, but if you give me enough time I could of course think of an answer to everything above, but then that's my movie not theirs. Good points though
     
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    And hey, calm down calm down, it's a movie and I'm poking fun at some of it's less linear parts, don't let it hurt your feelings lighten up a little. People act that if someone says something about a movie they like that they have absolutely no stake in, the world will end. It won't. A movie is supposed to be entertaining, so be entertained
     
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    Just caught this, I'm not grumpy at all I'm having a blast, read my last post, it's a movie. I am not affected in the slightest. My feelings are not gonna get hurt over comics or a forum on the internet, it's all supposed to be fun, so I just feel people should spend less time on being upset someone has a difference of opinion from them an maybe just state their opinion and enjoy themselves
     
  23. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    Man of Steel had no more or less mistakes than any other movie of its like. You can sit down and pick apart things in almost any movie.

    Its a comic book science fiction movie. If your not someone who watch these kinds of films with an open mined then they are probably not for you.
    It wasn't a random ship it was Kara (Supergirls ship) She is from the House of El. Its covered in the prequel comic and has been mentioned by the Goyer while he was doing press for the movie.


    The Kryptonian ruling council were rather stubborn and archaic (which is why Zod and co wanted to overthrow them). They mostly outlawed off world travel so it stands to reason they may of outlawed many other scientific advances which may of benefited Krypton.

    If the planet come to the end of its life though the hands of its inhibitions or natural causes it may be almost impossible to fix. Even the most advanced science can't perform miracles.

    I wouldn't call this a mistake to be honest. You could argue this about any advanced technological civilisation in science fiction.
     
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    First of all, you have to understand that the key that Kal-El had was actually an advanced memory stick or flash drive. Not only did his biological father, Jor-El, download his entire consciousness onto the stick, but he more than likely downloaded the entire history and heritage of Krypton, including how to repopulate it's race, and information on the type of clothing they wear. The ship just had the capability to create the costume from the memory stick. Think of the chamber that the costume was in as a 3D printer and it was made from the information uploaded from the stick. The notion that Kryptonians had 3D printing technology (also known in other forms as rapid prototyping, selective laser sintering/powdered metallurgy, or fused deposition modeling) was made evident in the first act when you saw the key rise from the powdered sand (it was selectively sintered out of the sand like a 3D printed object). This is just one theory. It could also be the case that the travelers on the ship were from the house of El as well and that it was a spare suit, but the unlikelihood of a random suit actually fitting Clark is kind of remote. The AI re-sized the suit based on the data from the key and the information it gathered about Clark's measurements.
     
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    This thread should be entitled "A lot of mistakes I made while watching Man of Steel". :hehe:
     
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