A New Era for the Wrestling Thread

[Hunter Rider]

@Hunter Rider my certainty with Tiff and Charlotte, is Tiff still having the MITB and how set in stone the RAW title picture looks with Rhea.

I think Tiff gets Nia's title before Mania. My only real question is does she get it off Nia or does she get it off Charlotte. Who comes back, wins it off Nia, and then gets immediately chased in on. Setting up the Mania match.

They've certainly dragged the cash-in out with like 10 teases lol. It does seem like Rhea has to be in the women’s World title match as she's so over, but I'm hoping that overness leaves room for options as to who she faces.

Could that actually become a triple threat with Tiffy, Nia and Charlotte? If she cashes in during a match between Nia and Charlotte, say at the Rumble?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They've certainly dragged the cash-in out with like 10 teases lol. It does seem like Rhea has to be in the women’s World title match as she's so over, but I'm hoping that overness leaves room for options as to who she faces.

Could that actually become a triple threat with Tiffy, Nia and Charlotte? If she cashes in during a match between Nia and Charlotte, say at the Rumble?

I could definitely see that. I just think whatever happens with Tiff, it would be something where she "screws" Charlotte setting up the match. I also would expect Tiff to win the Mania match.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I could definitely see that. I just think whatever happens with Tiff, it would be something where she "screws" Charlotte setting up the match. I also would expect Tiff to win the Mania match.

That's what made me think of the triple threat, I'd say that gives Tiffy a better chance of winning than in a singles match with Charlotte.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's what made me think of the triple threat, I'd say that gives Tiffy a better chance of winning than in a singles match with Charlotte.

I think Tiff going over Charlotte as the "newer, better version" is the massive appeal to the company.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think Tiff going over Charlotte as the "newer, better version" is the massive appeal to the company.

Does it have massive appeal to Charlotte though? I've just never got the impression she was as selfless as Becky and Bayley.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Does it have massive appeal to Charlotte though? I've just never got the impression she was as selfless as Becky and Bayley.

It's a fair point. But she did the job for Rhea, and has been injured a lot. Getting a big Mania match is what I think would be most appealing for her. I also don't think this is the end for Charlotte. She's beating her father's record. Why I think she might have another 5 min title reign. Think she needs three more. I can see her getting two in the next couple of years, and then letting her get 17 at Mania 43/44.

 

[Hunter Rider]

It's a fair point. But she did the job for Rhea, and has been injured a lot. Getting a big Mania match is what I think would be most appealing for her. I also don't think this is the end for Charlotte. She's beating her father's record. Why I think she might have another 5 min title reign. Think she needs three more. I can see her getting two in the next couple of years, and then letting her get 17 at Mania 43/44.

Yeah I knew she'd put Rhea over but Rhea is undeniable, the only woman who's ever been that over was Becky during her first run with "The Man" gimmick, i don't think Tiff is close to being that over. That being said she'll be 39 come Mania and as you say she's become injury prone, so if her goal is to have more reigns than Ric then quick turnovers would benefit her, plus sometimes when wrestlers get to this stage they suddenly get the urge to make someone as part of their legacy, if she's wanting to emulate her pops, Tiffy could be her Sting.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I knew she'd put Rhea over but Rhea is undeniable, the only woman who's ever been that over was Becky during her first run with "The Man" gimmick, i don't think Tiff is close to being that over. That being said she'll be 39 come Mania and as you say she's become injury prone, so if her goal is to have more reigns than Ric then quick turnovers would benefit her, plus sometimes when wrestlers get to this stage they suddenly get the urge to make someone as part of their legacy, if she's wanting to emulate her pops, Tiffy could be her Sting.

I'll say this for Charlotte. While she has a very high opinion of herself, I don't feel like she's ever had an issue with putting someone over. She's won 14 world titles, she's also lost 14 world titles (well 13, with that stupid title switch). She definitely wants or at least wanted to be the Alpha. But Vince also wanted her as that. Much like Becky, who fought to put over more people in booking. The entire Bianca situation was something she wasn't happy with, but only agreed to do it if she got to properly put Bianca over at Mania. And that went beautifully.

I think at this stage in her career. Charlotte might be fine with being a respected main eventer, who can and will win world titles, but is not the #1.

I also think HHH probably brought her husband back to help with the environment.

The craziest thing to me is how long they're putting off Bianca/Rhea. That felt dead certain for 40, but now the soonest we'll see it is 42.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'll say this for Charlotte. While she has a very high opinion of herself, I don't feel like she's ever had an issue with putting someone over. She's won 14 world titles, she's also lost 14 world titles (well 13, with that stupid title switch). She definitely wants or at least wanted to be the Alpha. But Vince also wanted her as that. Much like Becky, who fought to put over more people in booking. The entire Bianca situation was something she wasn't happy with, but only agreed to do it if she got to properly put Bianca over at Mania. And that went beautifully.

I think at this stage in her career. Charlotte might be fine with being a respected main eventer, who can and will win world titles, but is not the #1.

I also think HHH probably brought her husband back to help with the environment.

The craziest thing to me is how long they're putting off Bianca/Rhea. That felt dead certain for 40, but now the soonest we'll see it is 42.

How many of those has she put over cleanly though? Not to take away from her talent, she's a great worker, I think people sometimes struggle to separate that from her personality, which often comes across as cold and aloof. I can imagine Charlotte being Vince's vision for a female Champion when he could no longer deny the division it's overdue credibility. I remember hearing about the Becky and Bianca SummerSlam mess and that it got rectified at Mania, and just this year Becky was supposed to have her break directly after Mania, but stuck around another couple of months to put Liv over twice.

Kinda like the female version of Randy Orton? Still a huge star but will put the right people over.

Really? I thought he brought Andrade back to teach promo class!

I remember you saying before that Rhea vs Bianca has never happened?

 

[Lobo]

Rhea and Bianca were the last two in a Rumble but that's the only time I can recall them being physical. Bianca won that year

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How many of those has she put over cleanly though? Not to take away from her talent, she's a great worker, I think people sometimes struggle to separate that from her personality, which often comes across as cold and aloof. I can imagine Charlotte being Vince's vision for a female Champion when he could no longer deny the division it's overdue credibility. I remember hearing about the Becky and Bianca SummerSlam mess and that it got rectified at Mania, and just this year Becky was supposed to have her break directly after Mania, but stuck around another couple of months to put Liv over twice.

Kinda like the female version of Randy Orton? Still a huge star but will put the right people over.

Really? I thought he brought Andrade back to teach promo class!

I remember you saying before that Rhea vs Bianca has never happened?

Looking it up:

1. Divas Title - Never lost. (Retired)
2. WWE Title - Lost clean to Sasha.
3. RAW Title - Lost clean to Sasha.
4. RAW Title - Lost clean to Sasha.
5. RAW Title - Lost mostly clean to Bayley. Bayley was about to win, Dana Brooke interfered, setting up Charlotte to win, but then Sasha interfered to even the odds.
6. SD Title - Cash-in by Carmella. Not clean.
7. SD Title - Lost clean to Becky.
8. SD Title - Lost in Mania Triple Threat. Not pinned.
9. SD Title - Cash-in by Bayley. Not clean, but neither was her win that night.
10. SD Title - Lost to Bayley. Can't find footage of this, but pretty sure this wasn't clean, as this was around Bayley's heel turn.
11. RAW Title - Cash-in by Nikki Cross. Not clean.
12. RAW Title - Never lost. (Title switch with Becky)
13. SD Title - Lost clean to Ronda.
14. SD Title - Lost clean to Rhea.

Orton is very different now then he was back in the day. Hopefully Charlotte is as well.

Rhea and Bianca have wrestled twice. Both in NXT. They have not wrestled a 1v1 match since being on the main roster, where they have been booked as the top 2 women since their call ups. And they've been teasing it for YEARS.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Looking it up:

1. Divas Title - Never lost. (Retired)
2. WWE Title - Lost clean to Sasha.
3. RAW Title - Lost clean to Sasha.
4. RAW Title - Lost clean to Sasha.
5. RAW Title - Lost mostly clean to Bayley. Bayley was about to win, Dana Brooke interfered, setting up Charlotte to win, but then Sasha interfered to even the odds.
6. SD Title - Cash-in by Carmella. Not clean.
7. SD Title - Lost clean to Becky.
8. SD Title - Lost in Mania Triple Threat. Not pinned.
9. SD Title - Cash-in by Bayley. Not clean, but neither was her win that night.
10. SD Title - Lost to Bayley. Can't find footage of this, but pretty sure this wasn't clean, as this was around Bayley's heel turn.
11. RAW Title - Cash-in by Nikki Cross. Not clean.
12. RAW Title - Never lost. (Title switch with Becky)
13. SD Title - Lost clean to Ronda.
14. SD Title - Lost clean to Rhea.

Orton is very different now then he was back in the day. Hopefully Charlotte is as well.

Rhea and Bianca have wrestled twice. Both in NXT. They have not wrestled a 1v1 match since being on the main roster, where they have been booked as the top 2 women since their call ups. And they've been teasing it for YEARS.

Hmmmmm, there's more clean losses there than I'd have expected to be honest, would you say at the time her fellow Horsewomen that she mostly put over, were more over than Tiffy is now? I feel with Tiffy she's had that old-school MITB booking, where a wrestler wins it and then just treads water, I think I'm right in saying she's not had a singles PLE match this year, that's something in general they need to improve, booking feuds between women when a title isn't involved, it's part of the reason I enjoyed the Michin/Chelsea feud, but they need to get to the point where there's a female equivalent of the Punk/Drew feud, where it's a major angle based on personal issues.

Yeah, Orton seems really mellow these days, still doesn't own any pants though!

Gotcha, so it must have been 5 years or more since they've faced each other? Bianca is coming up to 36, not old in this day and age, but her athletic style might be hard to keep up at it's current level so you'd think they'd pull the trigger on her vs Rhea fairly soon.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hmmmmm, there's more clean losses there than I'd have expected to be honest, would you say at the time her fellow Horsewomen that she mostly put over, were more over than Tiffy is now? I feel with Tiffy she's had that old-school MITB booking, where a wrestler wins it and then just treads water, I think I'm right in saying she's not had a singles PLE match this year, that's something in general they need to improve, booking feuds between women when a title isn't involved, it's part of the reason I enjoyed the Michin/Chelsea feud, but they need to get to the point where there's a female equivalent of the Punk/Drew feud, where it's a major angle based on personal issues.

Yeah, Orton seems really mellow these days, still doesn't own any pants though!

Gotcha, so it must have been 5 years or more since they've faced each other? Bianca is coming up to 36, not old in this day and age, but her athletic style might be hard to keep up at it's current level so you'd think they'd pull the trigger on her vs Rhea fairly soon.

To be fair on the booking with Tiff, she has the typical MITB booking, that both men and women have. Ahe PLEs have been reduced in terms of matches and she has wrestled a lot of the PLE even SD, that has functioned as an extension of the PLE. Especially when the show is in the same city.

They had one match in late 2019 and another in Feb 2020.

With Bianca, I'm a bit more concerned with her looking at outside projects and while she isn't "old" she is around an age where she might be thinking about having children. Which is great, but I fear that timing for this all timer might not line up until she's in a bit of a decline. Right now she's still all time great level and I want to see it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

To be fair on the booking with Tiff, she has the typical MITB booking, that both men and women have. Ahe PLEs have been reduced in terms of matches and she has wrestled a lot of the PLE even SD, that has functioned as an extension of the PLE. Especially when the show is in the same city.

They had one match in late 2019 and another in Feb 2020.

With Bianca, I'm a bit more concerned with her looking at outside projects and while she isn't "old" she is around an age where she might be thinking about having children. Which is great, but I fear that timing for this all timer might not line up until she's in a bit of a decline. Right now she's still all time great level and I want to see it.

Ah right, I was thinking that MITB winner booking had died out with Vince, they're certainly using Raw and SD better in terms of showcase matches, and I like that the Intercontinental title and Women's matches are headline those shows, not the same 3 or 4 main event guys every week. With Tiffy she's been in the storyline mix with Nia, I'd have just liked her to get a bit more singles storyline while she waits for her cash-in.

I know when people think of the biggest dream matches it's WrestleMania as the stage, but SummerSlam is going to 2 nights next year, that's a monumental evolution and what better way to mark it than having Rhea vs Bianca headline one of the nights.

 

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That spot was crazy! The timing was split second perfect

 

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[Lobo]

My too early Mania predictions

Roman vs Rock
Seth vs Punk WHC match
Cody vs Randy WWE title match
Gunther vs John Cena
Rhea vs Iyo women's WHC
Nia vs Tiffy vs Charlotte women's WWE title
Bianca vs Jade if she's ready for the US title
Liv Raquel vs Kabuki Warriors tag title match
Dakota Kai vs Bayley women's IC title (not sure how to get here)
Bron Breakker vs Bronson Reed IC title match
Dominik vs Rey hair vs mask match.
Kevin Owens vs Sammi Zayn


If The Rock isn't going to be able to make Mania I'd have Roman vs Punk, Seth vs Gunther (a match I really want), and Cena wrestle Melo.

Not sure what I'd do with Damian Priest, LA Knight, or Jey Uso

 

[Hunter Rider]

My too early Mania predictions

Roman vs Rock
Seth vs Punk WHC match
Cody vs Randy WWE title match
Gunther vs John Cena
Rhea vs Iyo women's WHC
Nia vs Tiffy vs Charlotte women's WWE title
Bianca vs Jade if she's ready for the US title
Liv Raquel vs Kabuki Warriors tag title match
Dakota Kai vs Bayley women's IC title (not sure how to get here)
Bron Breakker vs Bronson Reed IC title match
Dominik vs Rey hair vs mask match.
Kevin Owens vs Sammi Zayn


If The Rock isn't going to be able to make Mania I'd have Roman vs Punk, Seth vs Gunther (a match I really want), and Cena wrestle Melo.

Not sure what I'd do with Damian Priest, LA Knight, or Jey Uso

That mask vs hair match would be fun, Dominik has grown That greasy mullet out beautifully, ripe to be shaved! I wouldn't be surprised if Orton vs Owens is one of the Big grudge matches at Wrestlemania.

 

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