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A New Era for the Wrestling Thread

True.

But him before Demolition and The Nasty Boys is a choice.

To me, it's no different than any other choice. I think the Nasty Boys and Demolition should definitely go in. But Demolition only just signed their Legends deal and as noted above, they were part of a concussion lawsuit against WWE before. So moves had to be made behind the scenes to mend fences before a Hall of Fame thing could happen. IE, that's how Triple H worked things out with Bruno Sammartino before he went in. Vince McMahon didn't think it was possible, but Triple H spearheaded that movement. Triple H was also instrumental in WWE mending fences with Ultimate Warrior, who had a bitter history going back almost 20 years if not longer.

Are some names long overdue? Yes most definitely. I think Vader went in too late, but he did eventually go in. It just takes time, unfortunately.
 
WrestleVotes, who first reported Natural Disasters were going in this year, also said Kamala was also discussed. Kamala sadly passed away five years ago.
 
Shamrock and Kamala are all good choices too.

I still feel a way that Miss Elizabeth isn't in the HOF. I've forgiven Lex about his part in her death and he's clearly made his peace with it, but her being absent from it for this long still feels wrong.
 
Shamrock and Kamala are all good choices too.

I still feel a way that Miss Elizabeth isn't in the HOF. I've forgiven Lex about his part in her death and he's clearly made his peace with it, but her being absent from it for this long still feels wrong.

I am shocked she is a manager in the WWE2K games now. I thought her family blamed wrestling for her death and wanted nothing to do with giving her likeness rights to WWE.
 
Shamrock and Kamala are all good choices too.

I still feel a way that Miss Elizabeth isn't in the HOF. I've forgiven Lex about his part in her death and he's clearly made his peace with it, but her being absent from it for this long still feels wrong.
Maybe her family doesn't want to be involved.
 
Shamrock and Kamala are all good choices too.

I still feel a way that Miss Elizabeth isn't in the HOF. I've forgiven Lex about his part in her death and he's clearly made his peace with it, but her being absent from it for this long still feels wrong.

Unfortunately, Miss Elizabeth will likely never go into the WWE Hall of Fame. Her family wants nothing to do with WWE and will not allow it.
 
FYI, I think the Mountie gets into the WWE Hall of Fame either as a solo act or with his brother before he goes in with the Quebecers. The only way I think the Quebecers get into the WWE Hall of Fame is if both Jacques Rougeau (The Mountie) and PCO have some sort of relationship with them, whether via a legends deal for both or a Legends Deal for the Mountie and a wrestling contract for PCO.

There are plenty of tag teams with history in the WWE who are not in the WWE Hall of Fame who's current relationship with WWE is unknown at this moment and this includes the Quebecers. There are plenty of solo acts from the good old days who's relationship with WWE is also unknown
 
They allowed her to be a manager in WWE 2K24 and WWE 2K25 though?

That's a good point, but I think there might be extenuating circumstances that allow that. My understanding is Mattel and the game companies are allowed to make separate deals outside of WWE. We've still gotten Miss Elizabeth action figures from Mattel for example. And I think that's because Mattel is allowed to make separate deals with wrestlers/their families outside of WWE, which I've read about. For example, Mattel made a deal with Randy Savage to get his figures made before he died. Savage even appeared in an announcement video for his WWE action figure at Comic-Con, though Savage had not actually mended fences or signed a legends deal with WWE at the time.

So basically, these deals were done through Mattel and 2K Games, technically not WWE.
 
The list of legends who's relationship with the WWE is unknown is shrinking though. Demolition just signed a legends deal as did Jesse Ventura. Still there are plenty of legends and tag teams whose relationship with WWE is unknown such as the Quebecers and the family of Sid.
 
The list of legends who's relationship with the WWE is unknown is shrinking though. Demolition just signed a legends deal as did Jesse Ventura. Still there are plenty of legends and tag teams whose relationship with WWE is unknown such as the Quebecers and the family of Sid.

I either completely forgot or missed Sid passing away. That sucks.
 
The list of legends who's relationship with the WWE is unknown is shrinking though. Demolition just signed a legends deal as did Jesse Ventura. Still there are plenty of legends and tag teams whose relationship with WWE is unknown such as the Quebecers and the family of Sid.

Triple H is a revered and master negotiator. He helped make peace with Ultimate Warrior and WWE of all people. He brokered peace with WWE and Bruno Sammartino, which seemed impossible. But some wounds can just never be healed. IE I can't see peace ever being made with Owen Hart's family or Miss Elizabeth.

Sadly, the cracks in WWE's creative are really starting to show in the build to WrestleMania. They've got too many guys than they know what to do with, too many guys who have been working hard and want their shot, and not enough slots to service them all.

Uso vs. Gunther has completely run out of steam, and they haven't been treating him like a top guy. Shouldn't Gunther have come out and tried to like hospitalize Jimmy Uso to play mind games with Jey?

Where are they going with this Grand Americano business? I don't get it.

Frankly, I don't really care about CM Punk vs. Seth Rollins vs. Roman Reigns. A Triple Threat makes no sense to me. It seems pointless. Roman Reigns vs. CM Punk could've been huge and had a lot of intrigue. Instead, it's a dumb Triple Threat. Now it feels like WrestleMania is going to be Cena vs. Cody and a bunch of multi-person clusterfrells.
 
I liked Cena's promo this week better than last week, he tied the WWE title into his motivations really well, all the way back to the godawful spinner belt, and retiring with the title is the perfect heel goal. Still no further mention of his alliance with Rock, only McAfee noted it on commentary.

At this point Punk can sell ice in the arctic, he's the best talker in the business, great fiery promo on Raw and he hinted at still wanting that Wrestlemania main event and there possibly being something in the fine print of the contract for the triple threat with Roman and Seth that might get him there. 🤔

The in-ring action was solid but no real standout match, the highlight was the debut of El Grande Americano, an exciting new Luchadore! :D the 2 Intercontinental title matches had awkward moments and look to be leading down an uninspired path.

I'm enjoying the energy between Iyo, Bianca and Rhea, they're all getting bits on the mic and we got a little preview of the action this week, they're going to tear the house down at Wrestlemania, I'm guessing it'll be made official after the Iyo vs Rhea rematch next week.


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Triple H is a revered and master negotiator. He helped make peace with Ultimate Warrior and WWE of all people. He brokered peace with WWE and Bruno Sammartino, which seemed impossible. But some wounds can just never be healed. IE I can't see peace ever being made with Owen Hart's family or Miss Elizabeth.

Sadly, the cracks in WWE's creative are really starting to show in the build to WrestleMania. They've got too many guys than they know what to do with, too many guys who have been working hard and want their shot, and not enough slots to service them all.

Uso vs. Gunther has completely run out of steam, and they haven't been treating him like a top guy. Shouldn't Gunther have come out and tried to like hospitalize Jimmy Uso to play mind games with Jey?

Where are they going with this Grand Americano business? I don't get it.

Frankly, I don't really care about CM Punk vs. Seth Rollins vs. Roman Reigns. A Triple Threat makes no sense to me. It seems pointless. Roman Reigns vs. CM Punk could've been huge and had a lot of intrigue. Instead, it's a dumb Triple Threat. Now it feels like WrestleMania is going to be Cena vs. Cody and a bunch of multi-person clusterfrells.

I think the creative is subjective, I know you badly want Punk vs Roman but they aren't there yet and the intertwining narrative between them and Seth absolutely makes sense, and now they've teased a stipulation that will further the storyline. I think this match, the Women's World title match and Cena vs Cody are all building fine. Then there's Orton vs Owens, Drew vs Priest, Jade vs Naomi and AJ Styles vs Logan Paul are all building logically, whether you like those match-ups is a different thing altogether.

The Gunther vs Jey angle feels a bit like Triple H felt he had to acknowledge how over the Yeet thing is but like LA Knight before him doesn't really see him as a top guy, but what he should have done was make Gunther's attacks more varied and in some cases more brutal, instead of just running in and putting him in a sleeperhold every week.

Where I think they are objectively dropping the ball with the rest of the titles, no clear direction for any of them and a seeming path to a bunch of multi-person matches just to get people on the card. Liv Morgan has been one of the top stars in the company for the last year but there's no clear team to face her and Raquel, and now it might become Bayley and Lyra as challengers which means no women's IC title match and Roxanne not even on the card after her great performances in the Rumble and Elimination Chamber. With the men's IC title they had a lay-up with Bron vs AJ Styles, 2 Georgia boys from different eras, a legend vs the big new thing, it was simple, but they've filtered in 3 different challengers just to get people on the card. The men's US title should be LA Knight vs Jacob Fatu, they can still get there but you can almost smell the Fatal 4-Way with Strowman and Solo added.

The men's tag division on Smackdown has actually had the effort put into it, the problem is that bar the Street Profits, and to a lesser extent DIY, the teams just aren't getting over. Conversely on the Raw side the War Raiders only appear now and then and aren't really over, and now it seems they're just going to do a match with the New Day based on nothing but the fact the New Day have huge heat, I think they've only won one tag match since the heel turn.
 
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Charlotte vs Tiffany is building in a way that undermines Tiffany, and I don't understand that,
Bully Ray and the Busted Open guys can mark on Charlotte all they want but they aren't being honest about why this sucks. Bully should know better given how ECW was booked, Heyman built a promotion around guys whose limitations he hid with smart booking, the angle here is doing the opposite of that, they're letting Charlotte quasi shoot and clearly Tiffany doesn't know how to do that as she's not a pro wrestling fan, she's an NIL athlete and only knows the script route. So the issue is the angle they've taken as much as Tiffany, and don’t get me wrong, she's out of her depth, especially as a babyface, but why take this tact with the booking? And if you're going to go this route you need to let Tiffany really dig into why the fan's hate Charlotte, as Bully and Co can love Charlotte all they want but there's a massive section of the fanbase that can't stand her for numerous reasons, now whether Tiffany can deliver that promo is another question, so it circles back to this angle being the wrong type for the talent involved.
 
Money in the Bank is not a serious title win. It's not a true passing of the torch. It's an underhanded heel move and it doesn't make your champion credible, and it allowed Charlotte to absolutely bury Tiffany. Tiffany was not ready to be in that type of promo scenario, and Charlotte buried her.
 
@TheVileOne You seem really sad lately man, lots of droopy faced emojis, you doing ok? :)

Turning Tiffany face was the first mistake, nothing about her is a babyface unless you're a horny teenage boy, and then doing line blurring promo segments like the type Punk, Drew and Seth have been doing makes no sense when you have someone as green as Tiffany.
 
Triple H is a revered and master negotiator. He helped make peace with Ultimate Warrior and WWE of all people. He brokered peace with WWE and Bruno Sammartino, which seemed impossible. But some wounds can just never be healed. IE I can't see peace ever being made with Owen Hart's family or Miss Elizabeth.

Sadly, the cracks in WWE's creative are really starting to show in the build to WrestleMania. They've got too many guys than they know what to do with, too many guys who have been working hard and want their shot, and not enough slots to service them all.

Uso vs. Gunther has completely run out of steam, and they haven't been treating him like a top guy. Shouldn't Gunther have come out and tried to like hospitalize Jimmy Uso to play mind games with Jey?

Where are they going with this Grand Americano business? I don't get it.

Frankly, I don't really care about CM Punk vs. Seth Rollins vs. Roman Reigns. A Triple Threat makes no sense to me. It seems pointless. Roman Reigns vs. CM Punk could've been huge and had a lot of intrigue. Instead, it's a dumb Triple Threat. Now it feels like WrestleMania is going to be Cena vs. Cody and a bunch of multi-person clusterfrells.

Right on Vile.

I totally agree with all of the above. This is the first Mania in a long while that feels cobbled and stitched together where they are just coasting and banking on the fact that they're in a 'boom' period. It feels like Trips is just throwing things together because he knows he has some of the biggest performers in the business and just putting anyone anywhere on the card will be fine because of them being stars.

Outside of Cody and Cena and the women's triple threat with Bianca/Rhea/Iyo, there is really no big build to the matches, there's no hype, it's just all there.

And that was lowkey my problem last year too, outside of the Rock and Cody finishing his story, there was little to no hype for the rest of the card.

Trips isn't as good as people perceive him to be. HBK is leagues better.
 
I'm just going to throw a prediction out for predictions sake. Drew McIntyre and Damian Priest will put on a banger and possibly steal the show with their match.

I just wanted to mention LA Knight for a second. Maybe it's because I'm a fan of his, but I feel like he should be higher on the card than Jey or Priest. Like he and Damian should be in opposite positions. Damian in the U.S title scene fits better. Knight vs McIntyre or Gunther on Raw would have been fresher and better promos imo.
 
I'm just going to throw a prediction out for predictions sake. Drew McIntyre and Damian Priest will put on a banger and possibly steal the show with their match.

I just wanted to mention LA Knight for a second. Maybe it's because I'm a fan of his, but I feel like he should be higher on the card than Jey or Priest. Like he and Damian should be in opposite positions. Damian in the U.S title scene fits better. Knight vs McIntyre or Gunther on Raw would have been fresher and better promos imo.

Yeah LA Knight has been consistent and the fact that he hasn't become WC at this point is a slap in the face. The guy was OVERRRRR.
 
Right on Vile.

I totally agree with all of the above. This is the first Mania in a long while that feels cobbled and stitched together where they are just coasting and banking on the fact that they're in a 'boom' period. It feels like Trips is just throwing things together because he knows he has some of the biggest performers in the business and just putting anyone anywhere on the card will be fine because of them being stars.

Outside of Cody and Cena and the women's triple threat with Bianca/Rhea/Iyo, there is really no big build to the matches, there's no hype, it's just all there.

And that was lowkey my problem last year too, outside of the Rock and Cody finishing his story, there was little to no hype for the rest of the card.

Trips isn't as good as people perceive him to be. HBK is leagues better.

Shawn is my guy, but it's a lot easier booking NXT than 2 nights of Wrestlemania, and again I'd ask is this a case of you, and many fans, just not liking the matches they've chosen? Because I don't see any stretches in logic with Roman vs Seth vs Punk, Charlotte vs Tiffany, Drew vs Priest, Orton vs Owens etc......

Would I have booked this card? No, but I also wouldn't have rushed to Roman vs Punk or Bron vs Jacob which I think are 2 matches a large majority of us want to see, but I think Bron needs more seasoning before they do him and Jacob, and both need to rack up a lot more high profile wins before clashing. Punk and Roman with Heyman at the center was always going to be a slow burn, and I think part of that is they want it to be the central focus when it happens, most likely involving the WWE title, and now isn't the time for that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Trips is without criticism, as I mentioned he's not let the mid card titles cook, some of them are practically still on defrost settings, but I do wonder how much of the "this Wrestlemania has to be about Cena" is his choice, as I do think that's part of the issue, remove him from the WWE title match and things open up quite a bit.

Cody vs Punk
Roman vs Drew
Gunther vs Seth
Cena vs Logan Paul
Bron vs AJ Styles

They'd have been 5 matches that I think would change the perception of this Wrestlemania.
 

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