A New Era for the Wrestling Thread

I'm going to call Roxanne beating Lyra for the IC title. Becky is a great partner for Lyra, so she can handle the majority of the talking and help get Lyra more over hopefully. Lyra in the ring is already very good obviously.

TNA will get coverage for their champion being at Wrestlemania, and you gotta feel happy for Joe Hendry the human being getting that moment. Who cares if he memed his way into it? He is a better all around wrestler than Jey. And don't pretend that his theme isn't catchy :o

I believe in Joe Hendry.
 
I'm going to call Roxanne beating Lyra for the IC title. Becky is a great partner for Lyra, so she can handle the majority of the talking and help get Lyra more over hopefully. Lyra in the ring is already very good obviously.

TNA will get coverage for their champion being at Wrestlemania, and you gotta feel happy for Joe Hendry the human being getting that moment. Who cares if he memed his way into it? He is a better all around wrestler than Jey. And don't pretend that his theme isn't catchy :o
I think Becky's taking the title. They're going to build it up like they should've int the first place. With a proper champ.
 
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I think Becky's taking the title. They're going to build it up like they should've int the first place. With a proper champ.

So Becky vs Bayley in an IC title feud? It would certainly elevate the title but might as well leave Roxy in NXT a bit longer to feud with Stephanie until Bayley wins the belt and they can resume their feud.
 
My general thoughts:

* Both nights could've shaved off some time from the main events and spread that time around elsewhere, especially Jacob Fatu vs. LA Knight and the IC title Fatal 4-way give me more of that.

* Good set overall. Much better than WrestleMania 40's underwhelming, garbage set. Not as good as WrestleMania 39. That said, I did enjoy those video blocks they hung from the ceiling that slid down for the entrances for the triple threat. That was a cool touch.

* The crowd was relatively better on Night 2. On Night 1 they were garbage, anemic and low energy. The fans got up for Jey Uso vs. Gunther and they did everything right to feed into Jey Uos's win. The rest of the night they were awful, though Jacob Fatu and LA Knight seemed to do a good job of waking the fans back up.

* Jey Uso vs. Gunther was as good as can be expected. Jey Uso isn't a transcendent wrestler, but he's a good overall "worker." The fans wanted to see him win the big one finally, and he did. I liked that he started throwing some of Gunther's offense back at him and won with a sleeper hold. I think the good thing is that Jey Uso looks like a very vulnerable and beatable champion. Jey Uso shouldn't hold the title for 9 months or a year. He should hold it, maybe six months max. It wouldn't surprise me if Logan Paul beats him to win the title. Either way, I expect a short reign for Jey Uso.

* The crowd was dead for War Raiders vs. New Day. I feel bad for the War Raiders. They finally got a WrestleMania title match, and it was such an underwhelming situation. I remember seeing them at NJPW in the USA, and fans were rabid for them to win the IWGP Tag Team Titles. They had built this grassroots fanbase, and fans were into it. Their gear last night looked cheap as hell. Didn't look like they had their A-team working on their extra-special entrance gear.

* Jade Cargill vs. Naomi proves that Jade Cargill isn't built for WWE. Jade Cargill looks like she jumped out of a comic book. She's got a billion-dollar body, but she can't put it together in WWE. AEW was a much better place for her because they protected her and knew how to book matches to her strengths. In WWE, she's absolutely exposed. That finish was so awkward.

* Jacob Fatu vs. LA Knight was solid. Fatu is freaking money. It's insane how fast he moves for his size. His moonsaults look insane. It really looks like he worked hard to prep his body for WWE, and it paid off big time for him. This was mainly about elevating Jacob Fatu and his overall ascension, and they pulled it off beautifully. This is sure to be the first of many title reigns for Fatu. If they play their cards right with Fatu, he can be a title contender and world champion in the next two years. He should undoubtedly be in that mix. Finish played out perfectly here. Knight put over Fatu and made him look strong. Fatu has already far surpassed Solo Sikoa in the Bloodline, it's not even funny. I feel bad for Solo. He's not terrible, but putting him in a group with Jacob Fatu only emphasizes how much better Fatu is than him.

* Stratton vs. Charlotte turned out better than I expected all things considered. The fans were veering toward Stratton, and they played off that well. I liked Tiffany's Barbie entrance. I don't know what's going on with Charlotte, but it looks like she possibly lost a lot of muscle mass after her torn ACL. Clearly she's had a lot of wear and tear and been at this for a while now, so her slowing down isn't all that surprising. But considering she put over Stratton here, I think that was the right call. I do think fans are just getting tired that Charlotte takes lots of time off and only shows up for Rumble and Mania season, where she's always back in the main events. I think that's why fans are frustrated with her.

* Like many main events these days, the Triple Threat was too long. It did not need to take 32 minutes. 20-25 minutes would've been fine for all of that. I mostly like the finish angle. I'm willing to see where they go with it. I did like that Roman didn't want to play along with Rollins' schtick of targeting CM Punk, and that Roman was upset with Heyman for seemingly siding with Punk. I do see heel Rollins as someone who possibly could be the guy to unseat Jey Uso, and we'll go from there.

* Women's triple threat was fast-paced and fun for the most part. The fans were into it and popping for Iyo. That said, it didn't really feel like a WrestleMania match and feud. I still think it should've been Bianca and Rhea Ripley, which was the real money match and feud. At least they seem to be trying to give Iyo some effort now, which I feel like they didn't in her last title reign.

* Drew McIntyre vs. Damian Priest was fun. McIntyre's athleticism at 39 years old considering his size astounding. I popped huge for that somersault plancha. You rarely saw Undertaker pull one off that good. Glad both guys got to have a fun, tough singles match at WrestleMania that paid off. Also enjoyed McIntyre's selfie gag replay. Nice play off the gag last year. McIntyre is an underrated heel and worker. I would also not mind if he beats Jey Uso to win the title, but it will probably go to Logan Paul.

* Men's IC Title Fatal 4-Way. More of this, please. Dominik Mysterio got to a point where he became so hated and so reviled that fans are now loving him. The rizz always rises to the top. I never imagined Dominik becoming this good, but the kid is good. He knows how to work. He understands the little things. When he turned heel, he absolutely embraced and did all sorts of things to make the fans hate him, and he looks like an oily bastard. And all those heelish things are now why fans love him. In the post-fight show, he was talking about getting some chicken tendies and fans were cheering him. He's like the Gen Z champion. Finish was freaking perfect with Finn almost getting the pin, then Dominik breaking it up with a Frog Splash and stealing it. I figured something like that was going to happen. Felt like an appropriate Eddie move, something Dominik is also very conscious of and subtly plays into for his character. I think everyone came out of this looking good. Penta loses nothing here, really.

Bron had the belt for a good six months this time, but I feel like they are only now starting to understand what works with Bron. He's got the best-looking spear in this business, so now he can just spear Carlito every week. And hey, good on Carlito for bumping like a fiend for Bron and making him look like a badass with those filthy, gnarly-looking spears. I popped huge for Bron's Frankensteiner. Bron's athleticism is insane. Dude looks like a thick chunky slab of meat, but he moves like a junior heavyweight. It's insanely fun to watch. I think once Bron figures out the right character thing, which he's still finding, he will be on his way and get to that world title level. He's not quite there yet. He's got all the tools, and I think he proved here that he's a great worker and he can put everything together. He's just got to figure out the character mode that really clicks and works other than being Steiner Jr. But his athleticism and in-ring charisma are so smooth, crisp, and crazy, once/if he does figure it out, it's going to be insane. Seriously, did you see that Frankensteiner? He does it just as good, if not better than his uncle, the way he snaps it off. My only complaint about this match is that I wish it had five more minutes.

* I'm kind of meh on forcing this Orton match but I guess it was a good breather sort of thing, and Joe Hendry got to have a WrestleMania moment so good for him. He pretty much got squashed, but I mean, what else was going to happen wrestling Orton at Mania? I didn't really love it, but it was fine, I suppose. It is WrestleMania after all.

* Logan Paul vs. AJ Styles. I'm surprised this got close to 18 minutes. I don't think it needed that much time. Styles is clearly nearing the end. I think Styles packing on all that extra muscle during his time off was a bad idea because, between that and his wear and tear, it's slowing him down. Paul didn't really have that one viral spot to put this match over the top. I did like that even though Kross wasn't working a match at Mania, they seemed to be advancing his storyline with AJ and played into it. I like Kross, and I hope this means they are finally doing something with him. I'd hate to see him get released in the next year since he's one of the more interesting characters in WWE right now.

* Yeah, Bayley got treated like garbage here. They put together a big return and moment for Becky at the expense of Bayley, which I think was unfair. I thought this was kind of a random match to book at WrestleMania in the first place. No match for Chelsea Green, the incredibly over Women's United States Champion either. Lyra Valkyria is good. She's very cute. She's the women's IC champ, but she hasn't really found her character yet. The good news is that she's young and has time to develop. That said, the match was nothing special. It felt like a waste to me, and also very disrespectful of Bayley to just toss her aside like that. Should've had Bayley feuding with Chelsea Green instead of this bait and switch trash.

* Everyone seems to be sour on John Cena vs. Cody, but I didn't mind it really. I don't really think it needed to go over 20 minutes, but it did what it needed to do. Frankly, I'm surprised it took fans this long to finally start souring on Cody's schtick. It happened in AEW, too in a shorter amount of time. Cody is very obnoxious, so it's not surprising. But fans surprisingly bought into the whole finish the storyline and truly believed it, which is fine. But Cody finished the story and didn't really have any compelling feuds or storylines after that. He was stuck in a rut of "matches" and/or underwhelming matches with The New Bloodline and Solo Sikoa, which were mostly trash. But this match accomplished what it needed to accomplish. It gave Cena the title. So Meltzer did end up being right about The Rock not working WrestleMania after all that. People give Meltzer a lot of garbage, some of it is deserved, but he was right on here. And here I thought The Rock posting that Hawaii video was a trick. I do wish parts of Cena's heel turn played out better, but I did enjoy how, at the press conference, he refused to answer any questions and called all the reporters out for doing clickbait. Truthfully, I didn't hate the match. It's far from the worst WrestleMania main event.

Now I'm curious if fans booing Cody is just a Vegas thing or if this is going to be what we have to look forward to in the summer, and if fans continue to grow tired of Cody, how WWE will deal with it. I think it was also a problem that Cena and The Rock weren't on TV more to build up this matchup. Also, I do think it's a problem that Cena isn't wrestling very much right now and his feud with Cody wasn't very physical. But Cena winning the title for right now is fine. It's not like he needs to hold it a long time. He could lose it by SummerSlam if not earlier. Heck, if fans continue disliking Cody, that just might turn him babyface again. All criticisms aside, I'm fine with the result though, and I think people were being a bit too hard on this match.
 
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Jacob Fatu is a lot more menacing when he talks then when he doesn't.
 
My general thoughts:

* Both nights could've shaved off some time from the main events and spread that time around elsewhere, especially Jacob Fatu vs. LA Knight and the IC title Fatal 4-way give me more of that.

* Good set overall. Much better than WrestleMania 40's underwhelming, garbage set. Not as good as WrestleMania 39. That said, I did enjoy those video blocks they hung from the ceiling that slid down for the entrances for the triple threat. That was a cool touch.

* The crowd was relatively better on Night 2. On Night 1 they were garbage, anemic and low energy. The fans got up for Jey Uso vs. Gunther and they did everything right to feed into Jey Uos's win. The rest of the night they were awful, though Jacob Fatu and LA Knight seemed to do a good job of waking the fans back up.

* Jey Uso vs. Gunther was as good as can be expected. Jey Uso isn't a transcendent wrestler, but he's a good overall wrestler. The fans wanted to see him win the big one finally, and he did. I liked that he started throwing some of Gunther's offense back at him and won with a sleeper hold. I think the good thing is that Jey Uso looks like a very vulnerable and beatable champion. Jey Uso shouldn't hold the title for 9 months or a year. He should hold it, maybe six months max. It wouldn't surprise me if Logan Paul beats him to win the title. Either way, I expect a short reign for Jey Uso.

* The crowd was dead for War Raiders vs. New Day. I feel bad for the War Raiders. They finally got a WrestleMania title match, and it was such an underwhelming situation. I remember seeing them at NJPW in the USA, and fans were rabid for them to win the IWGP Tag Team Titles. They had built this grassroots fanbase, and fans were into it. Their gear last night looked cheap as hell. Didn't look like they had their A-team working on their extra-special entrance gear.

* Jade Cargill vs. Naomi proves that Jade Cargill isn't built for WWE. Jade Cargill looks like she jumped out of a comic book. She's got a billion-dollar body, but she can't put it together in WWE. AEW was a much better place for her because they protected her and knew how to book matches to her strengths. In WWE, she's absolutely exposed. That finish was so awkward.

* Jacob Fatu vs. LA Knight was solid. Fatu is freaking money. It's insane how fast he moves for his size. His moonsaults look insane. It really looks like he worked hard to prep his body for WWE, and it paid off big time for him. This was mainly about elevating Jacob Fatu and his overall ascension, and they pulled it off beautifully. This is sure to be the first of many title reigns for Fatu. If they play their cards right with Fatu, he can be a title contender and world champion in the next two years. He should undoubtedly be in that mix. Finish played out perfectly here. Knight put over Fatu and made him look strong. Fatu has already far surpassed Solo Sikoa in the Bloodline, it's not even funny. I feel bad for Solo. He's not terrible, but putting him in a group with Jacob Fatu only emphasizes how much better Fatu is than him.

* Stratton vs. Charlotte turned out better than I expected all things considered. The fans were veering toward Stratton, and they played off that well. I liked Tiffany's Barbie entrance. I don't know what's going on with Charlotte, but it looks like she possibly lost a lot of muscle mass after her torn ACL. Clearly she's had a lot of wear and tear and been at this for a while now, so her slowing down isn't all that surprising. But considering she put over Stratton here, I think that was the right call. I do think fans are just getting tired that Charlotte takes lots of time off and only shows up for Rumble and Mania season, where she's always back in the main events. I think that's why fans are frustrated with her.

* Like many main events these days, the Triple Threat was too long. It did not need to take 32 minutes. 20-25 minutes would've been fine for all of that. I mostly like the finish angle. I'm willing to see where they go with it. I did like that Roman didn't want to play along with Rollins' schtick of targeting CM Punk, and that Roman was upset with Heyman for seemingly siding with Punk. I do see heel Rollins as someone who possibly could be the guy to unseat Jey Uso, and we'll go from there.

* Women's triple threat was fast-paced and fun for the most part. The fans were into it and popping for Iyo. That said, it didn't really feel like a WrestleMania match and feud. I still think it should've been Bianca and Rhea Ripley, which was the real money match and feud. At least they seem to be trying to give Iyo some effort now, which I feel like they didn't in her last title reign.

* Drew McIntyre vs. Damian Priest was fun. McIntyre's athleticism at 39 years old considering his size astounding. I popped huge for that somersault plancha. You rarely saw Undertaker pull one off that good. Glad both guys got to have a fun, tough singles match at WrestleMania that paid off. Also enjoyed McIntyre's selfie gag replay. Nice play off the gag last year. McIntyre is an underrated heel and worker. I would also not mind if he beats Jey Uso to win the title, but it will probably go to Logan Paul.

* Men's IC Title Fatal 4-Way. More of this, please. Dominik Mysterio got to a point where he became so hated and so reviled that fans are now loving him. The rizz always rises to the top. I never imagined Dominik becoming this good, but the kid is good. He knows how to work. He understands the little things. When he turned heel, he absolutely embraced and did all sorts of things to make the fans hate him, and he looks like an oily bastard. And all those heelish things are now why fans love him. In the post-fight show, he was talking about getting some chicken tendies and fans were cheering him. He's like the Gen Z champion. Finish was freaking perfect with Finn almost getting the pin, then Dominik breaking it up with a Frog Splash and stealing it. I figured something like that was going to happen. Felt like an appropriate Eddie move, something Dominik is also very conscious of and subtly plays into for his character. I think everyone came out of this looking good. Penta loses nothing here, really.

Bron had the belt for a good six months this time, but I feel like they are only now starting to understand what works with Bron. He's got the best-looking spear in this business, so now he can just spear Carlito every week. And hey, good on Carlito for bumping like a fiend for Bron and making him look like a badass with those filthy, gnarly-looking spears. I popped huge for Bron's Frankensteiner. Bron's athleticism is insane. Dude looks like a thick chunky slab of meat, but he moves like a junior heavyweight. It's insanely fun to watch. I think once Bron figures out the right character thing, which he's still finding, he will be on his way and get to that world title level. He's not quite there yet. He's got all the tools, and I think he proved here that he's a great worker and he can put everything together. He's just got to figure out the character mode that really clicks and works other than being Steiner Jr. But his athleticism and in-ring charisma are so smooth, crisp, and crazy, once/if he does figure it out, it's going to be insane. Seriously, did you see that Frankensteiner? He does it just as good, if not better than his uncle, the way he snaps it off. My only complaint about this match is that I wish it had five more minutes.

* I'm kind of meh on forcing this Orton match but I guess it was a good breather sort of thing, and Joe Hendry got to have a WrestleMania moment so good for him. He pretty much got squashed, but I mean, what else was going to happen wrestling Orton at Mania? I didn't really love it, but it was fine, I suppose. It is WrestleMania after all.

* Logan Paul vs. AJ Styles. I'm surprised this got close to 18 minutes. I don't think it needed that much time. Styles is clearly nearing the end. I think Styles packing on all that extra muscle during his time off was a bad idea because, between that and his wear and tear, it's slowing him down. Paul didn't really have that one viral spot to put this match over the top. I did like that even though Kross wasn't working a match at Mania, they seemed to be advancing his storyline with AJ and played into it. I like Kross, and I hope this means they are finally doing something with him. I'd hate to see him get released in the next year since he's one of the more interesting characters in WWE right now.

* Yeah, Bayley got treated like garbage here. They put together a big return and moment for Becky at the expense of Bayley, which I think was unfair. I thought this was kind of a random match to book at WrestleMania in the first place. No match for Chelsea Green, the incredibly over Women's United States Champion either. Lyra Valkyria is good. She's very cute. She's the women's IC champ, but she hasn't really found her character yet. The good news is that she's young and has time to develop. That said, the match was nothing special. It felt like a waste to me, and also very disrespectful of Bayley to just toss her aside like that. Should've had Bayley feuding with Chelsea Green instead of this bait and switch trash.

* Everyone seems to be sour on John Cena vs. Cody, but I didn't mind it really. I don't really think it needed to go over 20 minutes, but it did what it needed to do. Frankly, I'm surprised it took fans this long to finally start souring on Cody's schtick. It happened in AEW, too in a shorter amount of time. Cody is very obnoxious, so it's not surprising. But fans surprisingly bought into the whole finish the storyline and truly believed it, which is fine. But Cody finished the story and didn't really have any compelling feuds or storylines after that. He was stuck in a rut of "matches" and/or underwhelming matches with The New Bloodline and Solo Sikoa, which were mostly trash. But this match accomplished what it needed to accomplish. It gave Cena the title. So Meltzer did end up being right about The Rock not working WrestleMania after all that. People give Meltzer a lot of garbage, some of it is deserved, but he was right on here. And here I thought The Rock posting that Hawaii video was a trick. I do wish parts of Cena's heel turn played out better, but I did enjoy how, at the press conference, he refused to answer any questions and called all the reporters out for doing clickbait. Truthfully, I didn't hate the match. It's far from the worst WrestleMania main event.

Now I'm curious if fans booing Cody is just a Vegas thing or if this is going to be what we have to look forward to in the summer, and if fans continue to grow tired of Cody, how WWE will deal with it. I think it was also a problem that Cena and The Rock weren't on TV more to build up this matchup. Also, I do think it's a problem that Cena isn't wrestling very much right now and his feud with Cody wasn't very physical. But Cena winning the title for right now is fine. It's not like he needs to hold it a long time. He could lose it by SummerSlam if not earlier. Heck, if fans continue disliking Cody, that just might turn him babyface again. All criticisms aside, I'm fine with the result though, and I think people were being a bit too hard on this match.

Vile, I share the same sentiments more or less. You really broke it down.

The only thing I disagree with you about is Dom winning the IC belt from Bron. Granted, both guys are over and both are working very hard, I just see Bron more so as championship material at the moment than Dom. But that’s just me.

But spot on assessment.
 
Someone on twitter made this great analogy.

Night 1 felt like a late 90s WWF Attitude Era PPV where you had a weak undercard, and a great main event, with an ending that was white hot and made you want to see the next show.

Night 2 felt like a late 90s WCW PPV in that it had great undercard matches, and a badly booked and terrible main event that underwhelmed.

Both nights had the "heel wins" ending, but I think Night 1 pulled that off way better. Honestly... Seth Rollins feels like a hotter heel than John Cena right now.

Cena is basically modern day Hollywood Hogan, but without the NWO. You mean to tell me that he sold his soul to The Rock, and all Rock had to give him in return is his short and skinny rapper sidekick as backup?

To me, if they were going to have Travis Scott out there, he should've come out with Cena at the beginning and be his manager for the match. Have him constantly interfere and give Cena the advantage over Cody. Stack the deck against Cody. Instead Cena was actually getting more offense in on Cody, even though the storyline is that Cena can't be Super Cena anymore which is why he sold his soul to The Rock. And what the **** was that ending? You mean to tell me Cody can kick out of just about everything the Bloodline threw at him at WM40, but a kick to the balls and a belt shot beats him? They kind of buried Cody here. He doesn't feel like a superhero babyface fighting the odds here. He feels like a weak *****.

They need to fix this angle going foward. Give Cena a stable of wrestlers who do his and Rock's bidding. Guys who can be there every week.
 
I think Bron is good, but he had a decent six months with the belt. It was closer to eight if you count his mulligan reign before dropping it to Jey Uso. This loss won't hurt him. It will give him a chance to evolve and show what he's capable of.

Dom's over and he gets it. He's improved so much from when he was just this white meat vanilla kid just happy to be teaming up with his daddy. Now he's an exceptional worker.

Like when he was paired with Rhea, he knew just how to push everyone's buttons. Everyone wanted Rhea Ripley to be their "Mami," but it got to be Dom instead. Dom took advantage of that. Then it took literally turning heel as a heel on Rhea and suddenly fans are loving him! Dom has earned this point.
 
Someone on twitter made this great analogy.

Night 1 felt like a late 90s WWF Attitude Era PPV where you had a weak undercard, and a great main event, with an ending that was white hot and made you want to see the next show.

Night 2 felt like a late 90s WCW PPV in that it had great undercard matches, and a badly booked and terrible main event that underwhelmed.

Both nights had the "heel wins" ending, but I think Night 1 pulled that off way better. Honestly... Seth Rollins feels like a hotter heel than John Cena right now.

Cena is basically modern day Hollywood Hogan, but without the NWO. You mean to tell me that he sold his soul to The Rock, and all Rock had to give him in return is his short and skinny rapper sidekick as backup?

To me, if they were going to have Travis Scott out there, he should've come out with Cena at the beginning and be his manager for the match. Have him constantly interfere and give Cena the advantage over Cody. Stack the deck against Cody. Instead Cena was actually getting more offense in on Cody, even though the storyline is that Cena can't be Super Cena anymore which is why he sold his soul to The Rock. And what the **** was that ending? You mean to tell me Cody can kick out of just about everything the Bloodline threw at him at WM40, but a kick to the balls and a belt shot beats him? They kind of buried Cody here. He doesn't feel like a superhero babyface fighting the odds here. He feels like a weak *****.

They need to fix this angle going foward. Give Cena a stable of wrestlers who do his and Rock's bidding. Guys who can be there every week.

I agree with Andrew it was weird that Travis Scott was the only guy there backing up Cena tonight. It was weird The Rock wasn't there after he was so heavily involved with this earlier. Not to mention that whole thing of trashing Dave Meltzer when Meltzer reported that Rock wasn't doing Mania this year, which turned out to be true.
 
I agree with Andrew it was weird that Travis Scott was the only guy there backing up Cena tonight. It was weird The Rock wasn't there after he was so heavily involved with this earlier. Not to mention that whole thing of trashing Dave Meltzer when Meltzer reported that Rock wasn't doing Mania this year, which turned out to be true.

Reports are that he's in Hawaii, and with the rash of plane crashes this year, he might be hesitant to fly to Las Vegas, especially when he was supposed to be at the season opener of his football league the UFL but backed out due to plane issues, as he was in Hawaii at the time.
 
Reports are that he's in Hawaii, and with the rash of plane crashes this year, he might be hesitant to fly to Las Vegas, especially when he was supposed to be at the season opener of his football league the UFL but backed out due to plane issues, as he was in Hawaii at the time.

He's been flying all over the place this year. He flew to Toronto for the Elimination Chamber last month!
 
I'm curious to see how they follow things up on Raw tonight, there's going to be a lot of talking, I'm guessing Jey opens the show with a 15 minute entrance and then a promo, and Seth and Heyman close the show. I don't know if Cena is scheduled for the show, him not showing up fits the new gimmick.

I expect we'll finally see the implosion of the Judgement Day in the wake of the Dirty one's IC title win, and I'm interested to see how Becky and Lyra fit in. I'm also keen to see what's next for Iyo, and it's only 3 weeks to Backlash so that card needs to start coming together immediately.

It's often a night for returns, I'm hoping we see the return of the Kabuki Warriors and i think Rusev will return to Raw given Aleister Black is going to Smackdown, a Bron vs Rusev program couod be good. Im also hoping Bronson Reed will return and attack Punk to make an impact, perhaps aligning with Seth and Heyman as their enforcer.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Stephanie Vaquer wrestled on the show, like Roxy last year, as she's super over and I think WWE will want to capitalise on that.
 
I'm honestly kind of stunned how sluggish Cena vs Cody was and overall how vanilla it was. Cena is older now sure, but I feel like a heel Cena should've been more fun to watch. The crowd was pretty good so that kind of saved the match, but I almost wish they put the triple threat on Night 2 because that crowd would've been wild for it.

I honestly thought this year's WM was as a whole better than last year's. Last year the buildup was great whereas this year it was kind of meh, but in the end quite a number of the undercard matches delivered.

Now I'm curious if fans booing Cody is just a Vegas thing or if this is going to be what we have to look forward to in the summer, and if fans continue to grow tired of Cody, how WWE will deal with it.

Honestly if the fans turn on Cody over the course of the year then it makes it super easy to book Cody vs CM Punk next year if they go that route. As long as it's not go away heat. Make it happen.
 
My general thoughts:

* Both nights could've shaved off some time from the main events and spread that time around elsewhere, especially Jacob Fatu vs. LA Knight and the IC title Fatal 4-way give me more of that.

* Good set overall. Much better than WrestleMania 40's underwhelming, garbage set. Not as good as WrestleMania 39. That said, I did enjoy those video blocks they hung from the ceiling that slid down for the entrances for the triple threat. That was a cool touch.

* The crowd was relatively better on Night 2. On Night 1 they were garbage, anemic and low energy. The fans got up for Jey Uso vs. Gunther and they did everything right to feed into Jey Uos's win. The rest of the night they were awful, though Jacob Fatu and LA Knight seemed to do a good job of waking the fans back up.

* Jey Uso vs. Gunther was as good as can be expected. Jey Uso isn't a transcendent wrestler, but he's a good overall "worker." The fans wanted to see him win the big one finally, and he did. I liked that he started throwing some of Gunther's offense back at him and won with a sleeper hold. I think the good thing is that Jey Uso looks like a very vulnerable and beatable champion. Jey Uso shouldn't hold the title for 9 months or a year. He should hold it, maybe six months max. It wouldn't surprise me if Logan Paul beats him to win the title. Either way, I expect a short reign for Jey Uso.

* The crowd was dead for War Raiders vs. New Day. I feel bad for the War Raiders. They finally got a WrestleMania title match, and it was such an underwhelming situation. I remember seeing them at NJPW in the USA, and fans were rabid for them to win the IWGP Tag Team Titles. They had built this grassroots fanbase, and fans were into it. Their gear last night looked cheap as hell. Didn't look like they had their A-team working on their extra-special entrance gear.

* Jade Cargill vs. Naomi proves that Jade Cargill isn't built for WWE. Jade Cargill looks like she jumped out of a comic book. She's got a billion-dollar body, but she can't put it together in WWE. AEW was a much better place for her because they protected her and knew how to book matches to her strengths. In WWE, she's absolutely exposed. That finish was so awkward.

* Jacob Fatu vs. LA Knight was solid. Fatu is freaking money. It's insane how fast he moves for his size. His moonsaults look insane. It really looks like he worked hard to prep his body for WWE, and it paid off big time for him. This was mainly about elevating Jacob Fatu and his overall ascension, and they pulled it off beautifully. This is sure to be the first of many title reigns for Fatu. If they play their cards right with Fatu, he can be a title contender and world champion in the next two years. He should undoubtedly be in that mix. Finish played out perfectly here. Knight put over Fatu and made him look strong. Fatu has already far surpassed Solo Sikoa in the Bloodline, it's not even funny. I feel bad for Solo. He's not terrible, but putting him in a group with Jacob Fatu only emphasizes how much better Fatu is than him.

* Stratton vs. Charlotte turned out better than I expected all things considered. The fans were veering toward Stratton, and they played off that well. I liked Tiffany's Barbie entrance. I don't know what's going on with Charlotte, but it looks like she possibly lost a lot of muscle mass after her torn ACL. Clearly she's had a lot of wear and tear and been at this for a while now, so her slowing down isn't all that surprising. But considering she put over Stratton here, I think that was the right call. I do think fans are just getting tired that Charlotte takes lots of time off and only shows up for Rumble and Mania season, where she's always back in the main events. I think that's why fans are frustrated with her.

* Like many main events these days, the Triple Threat was too long. It did not need to take 32 minutes. 20-25 minutes would've been fine for all of that. I mostly like the finish angle. I'm willing to see where they go with it. I did like that Roman didn't want to play along with Rollins' schtick of targeting CM Punk, and that Roman was upset with Heyman for seemingly siding with Punk. I do see heel Rollins as someone who possibly could be the guy to unseat Jey Uso, and we'll go from there.

* Women's triple threat was fast-paced and fun for the most part. The fans were into it and popping for Iyo. That said, it didn't really feel like a WrestleMania match and feud. I still think it should've been Bianca and Rhea Ripley, which was the real money match and feud. At least they seem to be trying to give Iyo some effort now, which I feel like they didn't in her last title reign.

* Drew McIntyre vs. Damian Priest was fun. McIntyre's athleticism at 39 years old considering his size astounding. I popped huge for that somersault plancha. You rarely saw Undertaker pull one off that good. Glad both guys got to have a fun, tough singles match at WrestleMania that paid off. Also enjoyed McIntyre's selfie gag replay. Nice play off the gag last year. McIntyre is an underrated heel and worker. I would also not mind if he beats Jey Uso to win the title, but it will probably go to Logan Paul.

* Men's IC Title Fatal 4-Way. More of this, please. Dominik Mysterio got to a point where he became so hated and so reviled that fans are now loving him. The rizz always rises to the top. I never imagined Dominik becoming this good, but the kid is good. He knows how to work. He understands the little things. When he turned heel, he absolutely embraced and did all sorts of things to make the fans hate him, and he looks like an oily bastard. And all those heelish things are now why fans love him. In the post-fight show, he was talking about getting some chicken tendies and fans were cheering him. He's like the Gen Z champion. Finish was freaking perfect with Finn almost getting the pin, then Dominik breaking it up with a Frog Splash and stealing it. I figured something like that was going to happen. Felt like an appropriate Eddie move, something Dominik is also very conscious of and subtly plays into for his character. I think everyone came out of this looking good. Penta loses nothing here, really.

Bron had the belt for a good six months this time, but I feel like they are only now starting to understand what works with Bron. He's got the best-looking spear in this business, so now he can just spear Carlito every week. And hey, good on Carlito for bumping like a fiend for Bron and making him look like a badass with those filthy, gnarly-looking spears. I popped huge for Bron's Frankensteiner. Bron's athleticism is insane. Dude looks like a thick chunky slab of meat, but he moves like a junior heavyweight. It's insanely fun to watch. I think once Bron figures out the right character thing, which he's still finding, he will be on his way and get to that world title level. He's not quite there yet. He's got all the tools, and I think he proved here that he's a great worker and he can put everything together. He's just got to figure out the character mode that really clicks and works other than being Steiner Jr. But his athleticism and in-ring charisma are so smooth, crisp, and crazy, once/if he does figure it out, it's going to be insane. Seriously, did you see that Frankensteiner? He does it just as good, if not better than his uncle, the way he snaps it off. My only complaint about this match is that I wish it had five more minutes.

* I'm kind of meh on forcing this Orton match but I guess it was a good breather sort of thing, and Joe Hendry got to have a WrestleMania moment so good for him. He pretty much got squashed, but I mean, what else was going to happen wrestling Orton at Mania? I didn't really love it, but it was fine, I suppose. It is WrestleMania after all.

* Logan Paul vs. AJ Styles. I'm surprised this got close to 18 minutes. I don't think it needed that much time. Styles is clearly nearing the end. I think Styles packing on all that extra muscle during his time off was a bad idea because, between that and his wear and tear, it's slowing him down. Paul didn't really have that one viral spot to put this match over the top. I did like that even though Kross wasn't working a match at Mania, they seemed to be advancing his storyline with AJ and played into it. I like Kross, and I hope this means they are finally doing something with him. I'd hate to see him get released in the next year since he's one of the more interesting characters in WWE right now.

* Yeah, Bayley got treated like garbage here. They put together a big return and moment for Becky at the expense of Bayley, which I think was unfair. I thought this was kind of a random match to book at WrestleMania in the first place. No match for Chelsea Green, the incredibly over Women's United States Champion either. Lyra Valkyria is good. She's very cute. She's the women's IC champ, but she hasn't really found her character yet. The good news is that she's young and has time to develop. That said, the match was nothing special. It felt like a waste to me, and also very disrespectful of Bayley to just toss her aside like that. Should've had Bayley feuding with Chelsea Green instead of this bait and switch trash.

* Everyone seems to be sour on John Cena vs. Cody, but I didn't mind it really. I don't really think it needed to go over 20 minutes, but it did what it needed to do. Frankly, I'm surprised it took fans this long to finally start souring on Cody's schtick. It happened in AEW, too in a shorter amount of time. Cody is very obnoxious, so it's not surprising. But fans surprisingly bought into the whole finish the storyline and truly believed it, which is fine. But Cody finished the story and didn't really have any compelling feuds or storylines after that. He was stuck in a rut of "matches" and/or underwhelming matches with The New Bloodline and Solo Sikoa, which were mostly trash. But this match accomplished what it needed to accomplish. It gave Cena the title. So Meltzer did end up being right about The Rock not working WrestleMania after all that. People give Meltzer a lot of garbage, some of it is deserved, but he was right on here. And here I thought The Rock posting that Hawaii video was a trick. I do wish parts of Cena's heel turn played out better, but I did enjoy how, at the press conference, he refused to answer any questions and called all the reporters out for doing clickbait. Truthfully, I didn't hate the match. It's far from the worst WrestleMania main event.

Now I'm curious if fans booing Cody is just a Vegas thing or if this is going to be what we have to look forward to in the summer, and if fans continue to grow tired of Cody, how WWE will deal with it. I think it was also a problem that Cena and The Rock weren't on TV more to build up this matchup. Also, I do think it's a problem that Cena isn't wrestling very much right now and his feud with Cody wasn't very physical. But Cena winning the title for right now is fine. It's not like he needs to hold it a long time. He could lose it by SummerSlam if not earlier. Heck, if fans continue disliking Cody, that just might turn him babyface again. All criticisms aside, I'm fine with the result though, and I think people were being a bit too hard on this match.
Harsh on Jade! I thought she did well.
 
While Cody is obviously earmarked to be the one to beat Cena for the belt down the line, I would prefer if Cena lost or to someone else. Cody is an established main event guy now, who had a run that lasted over a year. Cody is made, Cena can make someone new. That said, the main people I want to see Cena interact with are Orton, Punk, and AJ Styles.

Do we agree that this was the biggest win of Seth's career? Or at last tied with his epic cash in?

I don't want The Rock involved in anymore main event angles. Travis Snot can eff all the way off.

Jey is reminding of Cena in the sense that he's a mediocre wrestler in the ring, who is super over with the younger kids, and sells tons of merch. I think he gets a couple title defenses on Raw, then loses at Backlash.
 
I'm honestly kind of stunned how sluggish Cena vs Cody was and overall how vanilla it was. Cena is older now sure, but I feel like a heel Cena should've been more fun to watch. The crowd was pretty good so that kind of saved the match, but I almost wish they put the triple threat on Night 2 because that crowd would've been wild for it.

I honestly thought this year's WM was as a whole better than last year's. Last year the buildup was great whereas this year it was kind of meh, but in the end quite a number of the undercard matches delivered.

Last year was the first Wrestlemania I'd watched in a decade, and while I enjoyed the story arc of the main event over the 2 nights, I didn't think any match stood out as more than good, Cody and Roman might have been but the 20 minutes of run-ins turned it into "cinema" rather than a great match. The two triple threats this year were instant classics, and the best Mania matches since Gunther/Sheamus/Drew and Charlotte/Rhea at '39.


While Cody is obviously earmarked to be the one to beat Cena for the belt down the line, I would prefer if Cena lost or to someone else. Cody is an established main event guy now, who had a run that lasted over a year. Cody is made, Cena can make someone new. That said, the main people I want to see Cena interact with are Orton, Punk, and AJ Styles.

Do we agree that this was the biggest win of Seth's career? Or at last tied with his epic cash in?

I don't want The Rock involved in anymore main event angles. Travis Snot can eff all the way off.


Jey is reminding of Cena in the sense that he's a mediocre wrestler in the ring, who is super over with the younger kids, and sells tons of merch. I think he gets a couple title defenses on Raw, then loses at Backlash.

Definitely the biggest win of Seth's career as he's much more rounded and ready to be the top heel in the business than he was 10 years ago.

Agreed on Rock, personally I'm not bothered about seeing Rock wrestle again, but that's the only way I'd want to see him involved in any more angles, if he's going to get in the ring with Cody or Roman and conclude those stories, then call it a career and go into the Hall of Fame.
 
While Cody is obviously earmarked to be the one to beat Cena for the belt down the line, I would prefer if Cena lost or to someone else. Cody is an established main event guy now, who had a run that lasted over a year. Cody is made, Cena can make someone new. That said, the main people I want to see Cena interact with are Orton, Punk, and AJ Styles.

Do we agree that this was the biggest win of Seth's career? Or at last tied with his epic cash in?

I don't want The Rock involved in anymore main event angles. Travis Snot can eff all the way off.

Jey is reminding of Cena in the sense that he's a mediocre wrestler in the ring, who is super over with the younger kids, and sells tons of merch. I think he gets a couple title defenses on Raw, then loses at Backlash.
I reckon Jey gets a run to Summerslam, which will be a fine but suitably short run for him.

After going through what they did to put the belt on Jey, I doubt it will be a month long reign. On the other hand, it really is striking just how many viable challengers Jey will have to last to then. I don't think any of Rollins, Drew, Gunther (again) or Punk should be losing to him.

I could see Jey having successful title defences against Steiner, Logan Paul and even possibly Kaiser that will keep him going to Summerslam, but sure maybe Rollins wins it tonight! Jey's title run is certainly a fascinating prospect.
 
I reckon Jey gets a run to Summerslam, which will be a fine but suitably short run for him.

After going through what they did to put the belt on Jey, I doubt it will be a month long reign. On the other hand, it really is striking just how many viable challengers Jey will have to last to then. I don't think any of Rollins, Drew, Gunther (again) or Punk should be losing to him.

I could see Jey having successful title defences against Steiner, Logan Paul and even possibly Kaiser that will keep him going to Summerslam, but sure maybe Rollins wins it tonight! Jey's title run is certainly a fascinating prospect.
I could see Jey losing to Gable. They'll probably have him beat Grayson Waller. Kaiser, too. I don't think his run will be as long as Damian got.

@Hunter Rider The Rock shows up when we dont need him, and then when we do and it would make sense, he's nowhere to be found.
 
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