ACORN: The Official Thread

You do realize that the FBI is investigating VOTER FRAUD - not VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD - right?

Please get your facts straight before you try to correct me.

FBI INVESTIGATION POSSIBLE VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD
http://www.koat.com/politics/17679498/detail.html

STATES PROBE POSSIBLE VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-vote-fraud_frioct10,0,2159694.story

MISSOURI OFFICIALS SUSPECT FAKE VOTER REGISTRATION
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNf_-bBZls_mvLIRCFJtlkMM3mhAD93MM6480

I can keep posting links if you'd like. (Not that I believe you'll read any of them anyway.)
 
Please get your facts straight before you try to correct me.

FBI INVESTIGATION POSSIBLE VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD
http://www.koat.com/politics/17679498/detail.html

STATES PROBE POSSIBLE VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-vote-fraud_frioct10,0,2159694.story

MISSOURI OFFICIALS SUSPECT FAKE VOTER REGISTRATION
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNf_-bBZls_mvLIRCFJtlkMM3mhAD93MM6480

I can keep posting links if you'd like. (Not that I believe you'll read any of them anyway.)

VoterFraud said:
The court found Brunner was breaking the law by not purging the state's centralized database of potentially fraudulent names. The court noted that this database includes large numbers of names submitted by The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN -- including 65,000 in Cuyahoga County alone over the last year.

ACORN's Las Vegas office was raided on Tuesday by state authorities as part of a voter fraud investigation.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/09/judge-orders-ohio-elections-chief-verify-voters/
 
Do you go to any news sites outside of Fox News?

Fox is mainstream. I won't cater to your nonsensical requests for additional news sources just as you wouldn't cater to mine if I asked you to post something other than a CNN link. But if you're truly asking out of objectivity and not sarcasm or contempt, you can get to Google just as easily as I can.
 
Fox is mainstream. I won't cater to your nonsensical requests for additional news sources just as you wouldn't cater to mine if I asked you to post something other than a CNN link. But if you're truly asking out of objectivity and not sarcasm or contempt, you can get to Google just as easily as I can.

Please, I beg you please track down the last time I posted ANYTHING from CNN. I don't even like CNN as a network, why would I post anything from their website?
 
Fox is mainstream. I won't cater to your nonsensical requests for additional news sources just as you wouldn't cater to mine if I asked you to post something other than a CNN link. But if you're truly asking out of objectivity and not sarcasm or contempt, you can get to Google just as easily as I can.

Oh lazur, you should know that Fox News has a conservative bias, as do the many blog stories you post here. If you are going to post "information" from those sites, than you should never ask other posters here to post unbiased information as well. Usually, this is referred to as a "double standard." :yay:
 
And that goes for MSNBC, and the Daily Kos as well. In other words, epic fail on your part, lazur.
 
And that goes for MSNBC, and the Daily Kos as well. In other words, epic fail on your part, lazur.

LOL I do not equate the Daily Kos with Fox, and if you do then that's absolutely pathetic.

Fox may have a conservative bias, but it's still mainstream and still has more viewers than the LIBERALLY biased CNN.

But ... other than being on a left of center board, why is bias on YOUR side better than bias on MINE? Why is it okay to cite links to sites which lean FAR left, but not okay to link to sites which lean SLIGHTLY right?

And before you answer - keep in mind that Fox's polls are accurate. They show Obama winning. Keep in mind that it was Chris Wallace, a Fox pundit, who nailed McCain and Palin. Keep in mind all of the surprise members of this very board have expressed at some of the Fox stories which appeared to take the side of Obama over McCain.

You can continue to cry foul every time a Fox link is posted, I really do NOT care, but your double standards with respect to what YOU consider to be a 'fair' news source is completely out of whack when you believe that you can post crap from the Huffington post and expect people who are opposed your view to equate that with credibility.
 
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Leave it to you to use a FOX News article as a rebuttal. The point remains, YOU CANNOT HAVE VOTER FRAUD UNLESS THE FAKE NAME THAT WAS REGISTERED ACTUALLY CASTS A VOTE. And unless I missed something, we haven't had the general election yet. ON THAT BASIS, it is registration fraud.

Now, Marx, we should be nice to lazur. After all, he is right to his opinion-- however factually inaccurate it may be. For example, if he wants to believe that Sarah Palin is innocent because she said so-- why, who are we to criticize? Let him have his cake and eat it too. :yay:
 
LOL I do not equate the Daily Kos with Fox, and if you do then that's absolutely pathetic.

Fox may have a conservative bias, but it's still mainstream and still has more viewers than the LIBERALLY biased CNN.

But ... other than being on a left of center board, why is bias on YOUR side better than bias on MINE? Why is it okay to cite links to sites which lean FAR left, but not okay to link to sites which lean SLIGHTLY right?

And before you answer - keep in mind that Fox's polls are accurate. They show Obama winning. Keep in mind that it was Chris Wallace, a Fox pundit, who nailed McCain and Palin. Keep in mind all of the surprise members of this very board have expressed at some of the Fox stories which appeared to take the side of Obama over McCain.

You can continue to cry foul every time a Fox link is posted, I really do NOT care, but your double standards with respect to what YOU consider to be a 'fair' news source is completely out of whack when you believe that you can post crap from the Huffington post and expect people who are opposed your view to equate that with credibility.

But how can you have a bias when you are politically in the center? :cwink:
 
LOL I do not equate the Daily Kos with Fox, and if you do then that's absolutely pathetic.

Fox may have a conservative bias, but it's still mainstream and still has more viewers than the LIBERALLY biased CNN.

But ... other than being on a left of center board, why is bias on YOUR side better than bias on MINE? Why is it okay to cite links to sites which lean FAR left, but not okay to link to sites which lean SLIGHTLY right?

And before you answer - keep in mind that Fox's polls are accurate. They show Obama winning. Keep in mind that it was Chris Wallace, a Fox pundit, who nailed McCain and Palin. Keep in mind all of the surprise members of this very board have expressed at some of the Fox stories which appeared to take the side of Obama over McCain.

You can continue to cry foul every time a Fox link is posted, I really do NOT care, but your double standards with respect to what YOU consider to be a 'fair' news source is completely out of whack when you believe that you can post crap from the Huffington post and expect people who opposed your view to equate that to credibility.

Just out of curiosity, what sources do you consider unbiased? And I asked a simple question which you never answered. Do you view news sites other than Fox News? Because I have yet to see you post ANYTHING that wasn't a Fox News link.
 
But how can you have a bias when you are politically in the center? :cwink:

I'm conservative with some liberal views, and I've stated as much. However, to me, our economy (specifically NOT putting it back into the hands of those who screwed it up in the first place) is more important than whether or not gay couples can get married.
 
Just out of curiosity, what sources do you consider unbiased? And I asked a simple question which you never answered. Do you view news sites other than Fox News? Because I have yet to see you post ANYTHING that wasn't a Fox News link.

The National Enquirer :o
 
I'm conservative with some liberal views, and I've stated as much. However, to me, our economy (specifically NOT putting it back into the hands of those who screwed it up in the first place) is more important than whether or not gay couples can get married.

But you have stated that you are a centrist. Silly me, I guess, for making presumptions like that. I apologize for being so aggressive towards your conservatism. :yay:
 
Now, Marx, we should be nice to lazur. After all, he is right to his opinion-- however factually inaccurate it may be. For example, if he wants to believe that Sarah Palin is innocent because she said so-- why, who are we to criticize? Let him have his cake and eat it too. :yay:

I always value differing opinions...

when they are constructive, intelligent, and objective. If some wish to continue to live in another world devoid of truth and logic, I won't stop them.
 
Now they're talking about how they'll be suspecting the votes that take place in my area of Northwest Indiana as fraud....early votes, anyways. So now I can't even vote early, because they might **** it up somehow. :cmad:
 
So anyone here okay with the fact this organization is strong arming banks into lending money to unqualified people? You know with the - you know what - is happening right now. NEVERMIND THE ASSINE ASSOCIATIONS of Obama or McCain...?

Anyone?

Hello...?

Hello...?

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So anyone here okay with the fact this organization is strong arming banks into lending money to unqualified people? You know with the who - you know what - is happening right now. NEVERMIND THE ASSINE ASSOCIATIONS of Obama or McCain...?

Anyone?

Hello...?

Hello...?

Hello...?

Hello...?

Hello...?

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Fox News is either confused or referring to a different investigation. Acorn dealt with Voter Registrations, it is Voter Registration Fraud. Voter Fraud occurs during the actual vote process when a voter votes ineligibly. That's it. Anything else falls under the purview of some other type of illegal activity. Instead of reading one leaning news blog or another, just look up the damn definition of voter fraud on a neutral site and save yourself from embarrassment, confusion or both.
 
But how can you have a bias when you are politically in the center? :cwink:

People in the center get news sources from all sides, including Fox and CNN. Most people that I've observed on this board source everything BUT Fox news. (And I've linked plenty of CNN and other news outlet stories to qualify as someone who uses both perspectives.)

Thus, I'm not understanding where your opinion that I'm 'biased' is coming from, at least as it pertains to which news sites I link.
 
People in the center get news sources from all sides, including Fox and CNN. Most people that I've observed on this board source everything BUT Fox news. (And I've linked plenty of CNN and other news outlet stories to qualify as someone who uses both perspectives.)

Thus, I'm not understanding where your opinion that I'm 'biased' is coming from, at least as it pertains to which news sites I link.

Because FOX News was founded by a conservative who publicly stated that he wanted a conservative-leaning news source? And in the years since FOX News was founded, the anchors and pundits have represented that conservatism on a regular basis?

I mean, I think it is pretty obvious why most of us do not consider FOX News to be a legitimate source. You obviously missed the news footage where one of the anchors was in a diner in PA and asked everyone who they were voting for. The majority of the customers said Obama, very few said McCain, and the anchor said it was "split." You also missed the giddiness of the morning anchors twenty months ago when a rumor leaked that Obama may have attended a Madrassa as a child in Indonesia (This... is... HUGE!!!1!!one!!1! :grin:).

And, we obviously cannot forget that FOX News was the news network which started talking about the John Edwards scandal three weeks before Edwards admitted any wrong doing, using the National Enquirer as the SOURCE of the information (funny... you should know about that, right?). Meanwhile, they barely covered the Larry Craig scandal when it was ongoing two years ago, and sued Al Franken-- a satirist known for his liberal views-- over his use of the phrase "Fair and Balanced" in the title of one of his books, a phrase which FOX News apparently thought they owned. I mean, do you not see how they are willing to grasp for straws to prove their biases?

Post legitimate news sources from non-biased websites... or at least be kind enough to point out that they are from biased websites and DON'T use them as the crux of your argument. I have posted one blog story in the past week discussing how McCain's transition leader may have lobbied for Saddam Hussein, to respond to your pursuit to label Obama a terrorist because he served with Bill Ayers while working in Chicago during the mid-1990s. In fact, most of us "liberal" posters here are able to post non-biased articles on a regular basis, whereas you do not, so stop spewing bull **** accusations about us when you can't abide by the standards you set for everyone else.

It's called adhering to the standards you set. If you can't do that, then don't expect anyone else to.

End of story.
 
Don't waste your time Jman. Your stress level will thank you! :cwink:
 

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