ACORN: The Official Thread

ACORN is a particuarly stupid name.

Again, I ask:

Obama likes acorns? Who cares! :cmad:

Because Average Voter isn't going to care about this... he cares more about not having money in the bank than some voter fraud issue which may or may not affect him...
 
I'm always struck that left leaning voter fraud is an attempt to get more people to vote and right leaning voter fraud is an attempt to get fewer people to vote. I endorse neither, just an observation.
 
Why would you give the organization the benefit of the doubt when the evidence of their wrongdoing is fairly great.

Where's the evidence of their wrongdoing, other than the fact that they, by default, are associated with those that they hire. And that might be an issue, but to hold an entire organization accountable for the actions of a few?

So...dead people and fictional characters get registered. Are fictional characters going to vote? And yes, I know it's happened before, but are we to believe it would happen this time, with obvious safeguards in place? I fail to see how this affects the outcome of an actual election.

Has anyone bothered pointing out that ACORN employees work off of commission, and many of their employees come from low-income families therefore it's entirely possible that quite a few of them simply registered non-existent voters to make more money?

This would seem the most likely explanation.

Actually, Ive heard lots of rumblings about absentee ballots being sent to people who didnt ask for them, and they are then asked to return the forms to ACORN, not the actual government office...once the votes are in ACORNS hands, there will surely be tampering.

I would imagine ACORN would like to know whether they "recruited" anyone. They probably want to do a count, etc. Tampering? What are you basing that on?
 
Again, I ask:

Obama likes acorns? Who cares! :cmad:

Because Average Voter isn't going to care about this... he cares more about not having money in the bank than some voter fraud issue which may or may not affect him...

Well if the average voter only cares about having money in the bank, then ACORN absolutely should be a concern, since they were responsible for all off the bad paper that Fannie and Freddie bought, which then started this domino effect of an economical disaster.

ACORN is about more than voter fraud - they're also about housing fraud.

If Obama is smart, he will distance himself considerably from this organization. Otherwise, it has the potential of taking him down and ruining this election for him.

Not that I'd mind.
 
Well if the average voter only cares about having money in the bank, then ACORN absolutely should be a concern, since they were responsible for all off the bad paper that Fannie and Freddie bought, which then started this domino effect of an economical disaster.

ACORN is about more than voter fraud - they're also about housing fraud.

If Obama is smart, he will distance himself considerably from this organization. Otherwise, it has the potential of taking him down and ruining this election for him.

Not that I'd mind.

ACORN be too darn complimicated to understand, why it matter if the Muslim like tree-nuts? [/redneck]

for the record, I love rednecks, and am not targeting any one person with my perpetually warped sense of humor. :heart:
 
Where's the evidence of their wrongdoing, other than the fact that they, by default, are associated with those that they hire. And that might be an issue, but to hold an entire organization accountable for the actions of a few?

They're being investigated in FOURTEEN STATES.

And since when is an employer NOT responsible for the conduct of its employees in the execution of business??? Why are you defending this organization when the evidence of voter fraud is OVERWHELMING?

Tow the party line much?

So...dead people and fictional characters get registered. Are fictional characters going to vote? And yes, I know it's happened before, but are we to believe it would happen this time, with obvious safeguards in place? I fail to see how this affects the outcome of an actual election.

Yeah, let's just sweep the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent voter registrations under the rug and pretend it isn't happening. Let's pretend that even CNN hasn't picked up this story.

You would not be defending this organization if McCain had given them 800k and they were 'motor voting' Republicans to the polls, and you know it. But way to let your partisan light shine, my friend.

This would seem the most likely explanation.

I would imagine ACORN would like to know whether they "recruited" anyone. They probably want to do a count, etc. Tampering? What are you basing that on?

THE EVIDENCE. HELLO?
 
ACORN be too darn complimicated to understand, why it matter if the Muslim like tree-nuts? [/redneck]

for the record, I love rednecks, and am not targeting any one person with my perpetually warped sense of humor. :heart:

Oh okay, so because YOU can't (or refuse to) understand, they must be innocent. :rolleyes:

If you really need help understanding, Google 'Community Reinvestment Act' and ACORN, and then presto, it all becomes clear.

But I suspect that you won't since, you know, it doesn't quite fit into your neatly shaped partisan world.
 
Oh okay, so because YOU can't (or refuse to) understand, they must be innocent. :rolleyes:

If you really need help understanding, Google 'Community Reinvestment Act' and ACORN, and then presto, it all becomes clear.

But I suspect that you won't since, you know, it doesn't quite fit into your neatly shaped partisan world.

I know what ACORN is, silly.

My point is that average voters neither know nor care about it.

As for my neatly shaped partisan world, keep on spewing those falsehoods. I'm voting for a Republican this November.

Where's your partisan argument now? :huh:
 
Oh okay, so because YOU can't (or refuse to) understand, they must be innocent. :rolleyes:

If you really need help understanding, Google 'Community Reinvestment Act' and ACORN, and then presto, it all becomes clear.

But I suspect that you won't since, you know, it doesn't quite fit into your neatly shaped partisan world.

You are hardly one to ridicule others on blind party loyalty.
 
You are hardly one to ridicule others on blind party loyalty.

Being opposed to someone doesn't automatically mean you're in the opposing party. For me, there's not a lot to like about Obama, and only some things to like about McCain. Neither is the ideal candidate, but I'm not ready to vote for a guy who's hellbent on turning our country socialist.
 
Being opposed to someone doesn't automatically mean you're in the opposing party. For me, there's not a lot to like about Obama, and only some things to like about McCain. Neither is the ideal candidate, but I'm not ready to vote for a guy who's hellbent on turning our country socialist.

Can you provide the source where Obama says he's going to turn this country socialist? Like, actually says he wants to bring socialism to the United States?
 
They're being investigated in FOURTEEN STATES.

Ok, so they're being investigated. That makes sense, but where's the actual proof of recent wrongdoing on the part of ACORN, in terms of its policies, etc? I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just asking to see it.

And since when is an employer NOT responsible for the conduct of its employees in the execution of business??? Why are you defending this organization when the evidence of voter fraud is OVERWHELMING?

Well, that's an interesting argument. I suppose it depends on the extent of control they have over what is going on. If they know something is happening, and they allow it to happen, that's one thing.

Tow the party line much?

Not too often, no.

Yeah, let's just sweep the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent voter registrations under the rug and pretend it isn't happening. Let's pretend that even CNN hasn't picked up this story.

I didn't say sweep it under the rug. I asked for proof of their wrongdoing as an organization. Hundreds of thousands? Where are those numbers coming from?

THE EVIDENCE. HELLO?

What evidence?

The partisian thing...I don't know what you're referring to. I simply asked for the sources of this information that you call "proof" so that I can decide for myself.
 
I know what ACORN is, silly.

My point is that average voters neither know nor care about it.

As for my neatly shaped partisan world, keep on spewing those falsehoods. I'm voting for a Republican this November.

Where's your partisan argument now? :huh:

I could care less how you're voting. That's between you and God. It's your defense of Obama and his past associations and actions that I find to be alarming.
 
Guard, I think you should provide a source where Obama declares no wrong doing in the ACORN scandal, if one exists.

Considering lazur believes that reports which declare a candidate's innocence, straight from the candidate's mouth (i.e. Palin), are truthful and honest.

He's bound to accept that, considering that's the standard he's set. Otherwise, that would be a double-standard... and well, I can't imagine lazur would be one to engage in that sort of behavior...
 
Can you provide the source where Obama says he's going to turn this country socialist? Like, actually says he wants to bring socialism to the United States?

Of course he's never SAID it. Remember, I don't believe a word the man says. His ACTIONS speak much more honestly than his words.
 
Guard, I think you should provide a source where Obama declares no wrong doing in the ACORN scandal, if one exists.

Considering lazur believes that reports which declare a candidate's innocence, straight from the candidate's mouth (i.e. Palin), are truthful and honest.

He's bound to accept that, considering that's the standard he's set. Otherwise, that would be a double-standard... and well, I can't imagine lazur would be one to engage in that sort of behavior...

Depends on the candidate and their record. ;)
 
I could care less how you're voting. That's between you and God. It's your defense of Obama and his past associations and actions that I find to be alarming.

I don't talk to God when I vote. Not knocking you beliefs, but God and I are on a "live and let live" basis.

Also, because I disagree with you, I'm a partisan hack?

HAHAHAHAHA!

I have criticized Obama on numerous occasions, even went as far to say that I wouldn't vote for him earlier this election.

Yeah, the fact that I'm voting for a Republican this election, have praised Republican politicians, criticized the House and Senate leadership, and criticized Obama's actions on the campaign trail should prove that I'm not a blind partisan.

But again, kind sir, I do suggest you meet my friend Kettle, she needs someone to compliment her outfit :up:
 
Of course he's never SAID it. Remember, I don't believe a word the man says. His ACTIONS speak much more honestly than his words.

Um... McCain wants to buy up all the bad mortgages...

Um... McCain wants the government to go in and reform businesses...


Who's the f**king socialist now?
 
Of course he's never SAID it. Remember, I don't believe a word the man says. His ACTIONS speak much more honestly than his words.

So, you have no proof that Obama is going to turn this country into a socialist state then?

That's what I thought.

Carry on. :yay:
 
Guard, I think you should provide a source where Obama declares no wrong doing in the ACORN scandal, if one exists.

Why, exactly? I have no idea what he's said on the subject specifically. Nor am I claiming something of that nature. If I had made such a statement, and had insisted it was true, I'd be more than happy to back it up.
 
Um... McCain wants to buy up all the bad mortgages...

Um... McCain wants the government to go in and reform businesses...


Who's the f**king socialist now?

Oh no, only those bad and terrible Democrats are really socialists, the Republicans are conservative-socialists only. :hehe:

The typical fanatic only sees the "socialism" from the other party but not its own. BTW, universal healthcare is not bad, we enjoy it in France, Germany and most of Europe, we would never prefer the extremely inegalitarian and unfair American system.

Facts speak for themselves:

By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.

If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.

Researchers Ellen Nolte and Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine tracked deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access to timely and effective health care, and ranked nations on how they did.

They called such deaths an important way to gauge the performance of a country's health care system.

Nolte said the large number of Americans who lack any type of health insurance -- about 47 million people in a country of about 300 million, according to U.S. government estimates -- probably was a key factor in the poor showing of the United States compared to other industrialized nations in the study.

"I wouldn't say it (the last-place ranking) is a condemnation, because I think health care in the U.S. is pretty good if you have access. But if you don't, I think that's the main problem, isn't it?"
Nolte said in a telephone interview.

In establishing their rankings, the researchers considered deaths before age 75 from numerous causes, including heart disease, stroke, certain cancers, diabetes, certain bacterial infections and complications of common surgical procedures.

Such deaths accounted for 23 percent of overall deaths in men and 32 percent of deaths in women, the researchers said.

France did best -- with 64.8 deaths deemed preventable by timely and effective health care per 100,000 people, in the study period of 2002 and 2003. Japan had 71.2 and Australia had 71.3 such deaths per 100,000 people. The United States had 109.7 such deaths per 100,000 people, the researchers said.

After the top three, Spain was fourth best, followed in order by Italy, Canada, Norway, the Netherlands, Sweden, Greece, Austria, Germany, Finland, New Zealand, Denmark, Britain, Ireland and Portugal, with the United States last.

PREVIOUS RANKINGS

The researchers compared these rankings with rankings for the same 19 countries covering the period of 1997 and 1998. France and Japan also were first and second in those rankings, while the United States was 15th, meaning it fell four places in the latest rankings.

All the countries made progress in reducing preventable deaths from these earlier rankings, the researchers said. These types of deaths dropped by an average of 16 percent for the nations in the study, but the U.S. decline was only 4 percent.

The research was backed by the Commonwealth Fund, a private New York-based health policy foundation.

"It is startling to see the U.S. falling even farther behind on this crucial indicator of health system performance," Commonwealth Fund Senior Vice President Cathy Schoen said.

"The fact that other countries are reducing these preventable deaths more rapidly, yet spending far less, indicates that policy, goals and efforts to improve health systems make a difference," Schoen added in a statement.

Only narrow-minded people who whine permanently about how "evil" government is could accept such mediocrity.
 
Obama: We don't need ACORN's help
Politico

OREGON, Ohio — Barack Obama for the first time on Tuesday addressed the ACORN controversy that Republicans are seeking to attach to his campaign, minimizing the impact of alleged voter registration fraud linked to the activist group and stressing ACORN is not advising his campaign.

“We’ve got the best voter registration and turnout and volunteer operation in politics right now, and we don’t need ACORN’s help,” he told reporters at the secluded leafy resort outside Toledo where he is preparing for Wednesday’s debate.

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which registers low-income and minority voters who tend to favor Democrats, is under siege for allegedly falsifying voter registrations, and Republicans have sought to taint Obama with the allegations.

Obama in the 1990s represented the group in a lawsuit, and on Tuesday, he said that “as an elected official, I’ve had interactions with” the Chicago branch of the group, which he said has “been active,” according to a pool report.

“But they are not advising our campaign,” stressed Obama, who himself worked as a community organizer in Chicago before attending law school.

Nevada authorities last week raided ACORN’s state headquarters after the branch submitted voter registrations with the names of celebrities including Dallas Cowboy stars Tony Romo and Terrell Owens, and other voters came forward alleging they were asked by ACORN employees to submit multiple registration forms.

Obama’s Republican rival John McCain pounced on the controversy, releasing a statement last week asserting that given “ACORN’s recent efforts to engage in voter fraud and to disrupt our political system, Obama’s affiliation with this group raises serious questions about his judgment and ability to lead this nation.”

McCain’s campaign has also called for an investigation of Obama’s ties to ACORN.

ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama’s campaign, which paid $832,598 to a consulting firm affiliated with ACORN for get-out-the-vote efforts, though it initially miscategorized the purpose of the payment.

“Obama has a responsibility to rein in ACORN,” said McCain running mate Sarah Palin, during an interview Tuesday with conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.

Obama posited Tuesday that the alleged fraud likely was the result of a few bad actors, wouldn’t impact the election and shouldn’t be used by the GOP to try to bar voters from casting ballots on Election Day.

“My understanding in terms of the voter fraud — because having run a voter registration drive, I know how problems arise — this is typically a situation where ACORN probably paid people to get registrations, and these folks, not wanting to actually register people because that’s actually hard work, just went into a phone book or made up names and submitted false registrations to get paid,” he said.

“So there’s been fraud perpetrated probably on ACORN, if they paid these individuals and they actually didn’t do registrations, but this isn’t a situation where there’s actually people who are going to try to vote, ‘cause these are phony names, and it’s doubtful Tony Romo is gonna show up in Ohio to vote, so this is another one of these distractions that gets stirred up in the course of a campaign."

“But, what I want to make sure of is that this is not used as an excuse for the kind of voter suppression strategies and tactics that we’ve seen in the past. Let’s just make sure everybody is voting, everybody’s registered. Let’s make sure that everybody’s doing it in a lawful way,” he concluded.
 
Um... McCain wants to buy up all the bad mortgages...

Um... McCain wants the government to go in and reform businesses...


Who's the f**king socialist now?

Meh, he's a lite socialist. Obama's the rich, full-bodied socialist. :oldrazz:
 
It might be best if McCain doesn't bring up ACORN tomorrow night. Here's why:

 

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