Affordable Care Act: Real Reform or More Bureaucracy?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Kelly, Jan 31, 2013.

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I feel that the ACA is...

  1. a positive thing for the country

  2. mostly positive

  3. I am indifferent/neutral to it.

  4. mostly negative

  5. terrible

  6. I need to wait and see.

  7. a positive thing for the country

  8. mostly positive

  9. I am indifferent/neutral to it.

  10. mostly negative

  11. terrible

  12. I need to wait and see.

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  1. dnno1

    dnno1 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140310/LIFESTYLE03/303100100#ixzz2vfnpAVZd

    Why are all these Koch brothers ads so full of crap? (this is the 3rd Americans for Prosperity ad that has been proven false)

    I believe you probably could find some legit ads of people paying more money for insurance but it seems they love finding these sad sack stories then when you look further it seems like Obamacare will benefit them(because older sick people might appeal to people who the ads are targeted at then having a 27-40 year old complaining he is paying more for healthcare to benefit older sick people)
     
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  4. hippie_hunter

    hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    dnno1 Well-Known Member

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    Pretty entertaining. This is Dr. Danielle Martin, vice president at the Women's College Hospital in Toronto. She totally schooled Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) on health care this past Tuesday:

     
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    wiegeabo Omniposcient

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    It's almost like, if you don't give people a choice, then they'll do what you say.

    Or if you make them an offer they can't refuse...
     
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  10. dnno1

    dnno1 Well-Known Member

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    A lot of people on this thread (including you) were saying that you would just pay the fine since it was cheaper. I guess you were wrong.
     
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    Schlosser85 Watchful Protector

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    I'm not sure people only getting insurance because they're being fined for not getting it is cause for celebration.

    Sounds like a pretty hollow "victory" to me.

    Also, the government has no right to do this.
     
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  12. dnno1

    dnno1 Well-Known Member

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    The truth of the matter is that people are not getting health insurance solely because they want to avoid a fine. The majority of them want and need health insurance and now they are signing up because the either can afford it now, or can not be denied because of their condition. Of course there are those who will op to pay the penalty, but that number is a lot smaller than some folks were predicting.
     
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    That graph seems rather unimpressive doesn't it? It shows that the uninsured rate returned to the level it was in 2012 plus or minus 1%. Their evidence for Obamacare helping reduce the rate of the uninsured was...

    Well in that case what was the spike in the uninsured rate between 2012 and 2013 all about? With that same logic I would say that it might have been caused by the onset of Obamacare. Granted it is too early to say either way if Obamacare has had an effect, but sometimes I wonder if people even look at the data or if they just read a headline and run with it. Keep in mind also that we will see a reduction in the uninsured rate because the economy is improving.
     
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    There are a number of reasons why there was a spike from 2012-2013. The fact that some employers moved employee to part-time status and that there were people who lost their jobs over the time period that are a couple. The thing is that those gains in uninsured (which took close to a year to achieve) were eliminated over the course of 3 months. Why? because people knew that they had a deadline to meet to sign up for insurance.
     
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    Unemployment went down over that period so that shouldn't be seeing in increase in the uninsured. The part time workers is in large part due to obamacare. Basically what happened was Obamacare was a large contributor in the spike of uninsured between 2012-2013 and once it was fully implemented it people who lost their insurance (because of reduced hours) could now sign up for obamacare did. So really Obamacare had no effect so far on the uninsured rate.

    Only 14% of those signing up were previously uninsured.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...-sign-ups-are-previously-uninsured-enrollees/
     
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    You won't necessarily see in increase in insured because of an increase in employment, first of all no one was mandated to have health insurance during that time period (2012-2012 -- even a large number of employers got a waiver) and you also had that number countered by a decrease in government workers (whom we know had healthcare benefits). The difference between now and then is that we have a mandate and (as it turns out) people are willing to sign up (as opposed to what some people on this thread speculated wouldn't happen).
     
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    The administration is currently under what they have for a goal to reach to make it cost effective...so apparently I'm not.
     
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  18. enterthemadness

    enterthemadness The Triumvirate

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    I will pay a fine though. I only work 16 hours a week still, and can't find a second or new job. My interview at Walmart last tuesday...never got call back interview, so bombed it.
     
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    Pretty funny story here

    http://wonkette.com/544657/scott-brown-gets-his-mouth-shut-for-him-by-republican-who-loves-obamacare

     
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    Shoulda told em you were on gov. assistance,they would have hired you on the spot
     
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  21. dnno1

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    I would not be surprised that you would be qualified for Medicaid. You should look into that.
     
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  22. The Question

    The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    You're right, that is a problem.

    That's why they should have simply removed the "over 65" part of Medicare.
     
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  23. Kelly

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    Whelp, problem #?????? I stopped counting.

    Another glitch shows that the information being giving on the exemptions has been using the wrong year for its calculation and has been giving out screwed up choices to people on the website.

    *shakes head*
     
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    This is seriously just ridiculous.
     
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  25. enterthemadness

    enterthemadness The Triumvirate

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    It's fine.
     
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