Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 6

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[Xeno]

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[Sawyer]

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[mkilban2]

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Always my favorite post in any thread

But I have to disagree that the show is 'flailing' (I think that was the term you used.)

And of course I posted a long winded post 3 before the last thread ended haha.

 

[cherokeesam]

This post came in before Thread Manager, but I wanted to respond to something mkilban2 wrote:

Arrow has more freedom to introduce CB characters because they're probably not going to be included in the DCCU, AoS can't just introduce someone because then that person is established in the MCU. They have to be much more careful and it's not like the show is doing bad either, those who don't enjoy it seem to be the small minority.

I think the continuity argument is unproven at this point. "Retcon" is a word that Marvel Comics is extremely familiar with. The studio doesn't seem the least bit hesitant to retcon, either (pretty much anything revolving around Thanos, including the Gauntlet, is getting retconned at this point). Despite what promises they might make to appease show fans, there's not a chance in hell that Feige & Company are ever going to consider what goes on in AOS as "canon" to the films. If they want to completely ignore or rewrite a character or storyline from the TV show (including Victoria Hand, Graviton, and even the ongoing Coulson resurrection saga), they're going to do it, simple as that.

 

[fixxxer]

I think the continuity argument is unproven at this point. "Retcon" is a word that Marvel Comics is extremely familiar with. The studio doesn't seem the least bit hesitant to retcon, either (pretty much anything revolving around Thanos, including the Gauntlet, is getting retconned at this point). Despite what promises they might make to appease show fans, there's not a chance in hell that Feige & Company are ever going to consider what goes on in AOS as "canon" to the films. If they want to completely ignore or rewrite a character or storyline from the TV show (including Victoria Hand, Graviton, and even the ongoing Coulson resurrection saga), they're going to do it, simple as that.

The show assumes the MCU movies to be canon. Until proven otherwise, the logical assumption would be that the latter consider the former to be canon as well. I don't think anyone would have a problem with minor inconsistencies. Hell, like you stated, there are a few minor internal inconsistencies within the movies themselves. But I highly doubt Feige and co. would outright contradict something major from the show. It would come off as lack of respect and a total F-you to the show's creators, Joss Whedon included.

 

[cherokeesam]

The show assumes the MCU movies to be canon. Until proven otherwise, the logical assumption would be that the latter consider the former to be canon as well. I don't think anyone would have a problem with minor inconsistencies. Hell, like you stated, there are a few minor internal inconsistencies within the movies themselves. But I highly doubt Feige and co. would outright contradict something major from the show. It would come off as lack of respect and a total F-you to the show's creators, Joss Whedon included.

We'll see. But I strongly doubt it would ever need to come to that. Victoria Hand and Graviton, for instance, certainly don't sound like must-haves for the movies; and in neither case did the AOS show "mangle" their characters so badly that a feature film maker would need to retcon them completely.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Yeah it will be quite a while before retconning becomes necessary in the MCU.

 

[fixxxer]

We'll see. But I strongly doubt it would ever need to come to that. Victoria Hand and Graviton, for instance, certainly don't sound like must-haves for the movies; and in neither case did the AOS show "mangle" their characters so badly that a feature film maker would need to retcon them completely.

Agreed. I think the reason AOS was "allowed" to use Hand and Graviton was that the Feige didn't have any plans to include these characters in the films.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Posted by kosh33 in the episode 11 thread -

The villainous Ian Quinn returns to "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." alongside the debut of Donnie Gill--a name eagle-eyed Marvel fans may find familiar--in an all-new episode premiering Tuesday, January 14 on ABC, and we've got the first details on the upcoming episode for you right here on Marvel.com!

Read the official synopsis and credits for the episode below and catch "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." every Tuesday at 8:00 p.m. ET on ABC! For even more S.H.I.E.L.D. keep your eyes on Marvel.com for more updates and follow @AgentsofSHIELD on Twitter and like "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." on Facebook for all the latest news!

"Seeds" – Coulson and May uncover startling information about Skye’s past, while the team is swept into a storm at S.H.I.E.L.D. Academy, on "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.," Tuesday, January 14 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

"Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Brett Dalton as Agent Grant Ward, Chloe Bennet as Skye, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz and Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons.

Guest starring are David Conrad as Ian Quinn, Christine Adams as Agent Anne Weaver, Dylan Minnette as Donnie Gill, Daniel Zovatto as Seth Dormer, Boyd Kestner as Richard Lumley, Zachary Burr Abel as Tad and Maiara Walsh as Callie Hannigan.


More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/news/tv/2013/12/1..._marvels_agents_of_shield_seeds#ixzz2nzwlmPPd

http://marvel.com/news/tv/2013/12/19/21671/declassifying_marvels_agents_of_shield_seeds

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Donnie Gill aka Blizzard is played by one Dylan Minnette, who among other things was Jack's son on L O S T.

 

[kosh33]

Donnie Gill aka Blizzard is played by one Dylan Minnette, who among other things was Jack's son on L O S T.

Thanks WT.. realised now that i posted in the wrong thread

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I posted a few times before I realized it myself.

 

[Alex_Kidd]

I'm afraid of the plot: young rogue of the academy turned to evil and killed at the end of the episode. No suite, no story about the character. It's filler for ward/FitzSimmons/Skye meanwhile Coulson and May searching for the Skye's mom info.

I'm feeling so Cynical, this Christmas stop are hurting me

 

[Dark Raven]

Donny Gill? Will he eventually become the Blizzard? He's on the same level as Whiplash though. What made Marvel deem Whiplash suitable for an Iron Man movie and not Blizzard, since both of them are C or D listers and often are teamed together? I would've liked to have seen Whiplash, Blizzard and the Melter up against Iron Man.

I see though that they've missed out the original Blizzard, Gregor Shapanka and gone straight for the less competent one. Maybe they're going to play his role more for laughs. The original Blizzard had a better costume IMO. The Donny Gill one looked more goofy.

 

[Alex_Kidd]

I feel so disillusioned

 

[Micromind]

I always liked the costumes and the character versions of Blizzard and Whiplash from the 80's.

 

[Dark Raven]

I always liked the costumes and the character versions of Blizzard and Whiplash from the 80's.

That's from the classic "Casino Fatale" (a play on "Casino Royale") which is part of the even more classic Demon in a Bottle storyline.

Iron Man 2 should've had those three characters since it had Justin Hammer and part of the alcohol storyline. There was no place more fitting than that movie. It would've also been a real treat to see Iron Man battling the three of them in Atlantic City and Blizzard and the Melter doing their strategy of bombarding and paralysing Shellhead with extremes of two temperatures at once.

 

[cherokeesam]

I'm reserving the applause for the arrival of "Blizzard" for right now....because we don't know that's him, for right now. The actor listed as "Donnie Gill" is a 16-year old kid, so unless they're aiming for Supervillains Jr., the most likely scenarios are that this is either (a) an unpowered Gill who *may* one day grow up to be Blizzard, or (b) another case of the writers coming up with a name that accidentally coincides with the comics (see: Mike Peterson, Scorch).

With AOS' track record, I'm betting on (b).

 

[Xeno]

I'm reserving the applause for the arrival of "Blizzard" for right now....because we don't know that's him, for right now. The actor listed as "Donnie Gill" is a 16-year old kid, so unless they're aiming for Supervillains Jr., the most likely scenarios are that this is either (a) an unpowered Gill who *may* one day grow up to be Blizzard, or (b) another case of the writers coming up with a name that accidentally coincides with the comics (see: Mike Peterson, Scorch).

With AOS' track record, I'm betting on (b).

I'd agree with you that the character's name is probably a coincidence but for the fact that the Marvel.com synopsis touts Donnie Gill as familiar to comic book fans. Knowing these people, though, it probably was a coincidence that they're now trying to spin.

 

[Pokkle]

"the debut of Donnie Gill--a name eagle-eyed Marvel fans may find familiar--in an all-new episode"

The official site says he is from the comics.

http://marvel.com/news/tv/2013/12/1..._marvels_agents_of_shield_seeds#ixzz2o1NZGJbm

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm reserving the applause for the arrival of "Blizzard" for right now....because we don't know that's him, for right now. The actor listed as "Donnie Gill" is a 16-year old kid, so unless they're aiming for Supervillains Jr., the most likely scenarios are that this is either (a) an unpowered Gill who *may* one day grow up to be Blizzard, or (b) another case of the writers coming up with a name that accidentally coincides with the comics (see: Mike Peterson, Scorch).

With AOS' track record, I'm betting on (b).

Donnie Gill, when he first debuted in Iron Man #224, was just a kid and very inexperienced. He was practically a super villain jr. His team mates Blacklash and Beetle found him very incompetent and Gill Blizzard kept bungling everything. So Donnie Gill in AoS could be similar.

As for being unpowered, well all it takes for him is to be given the suit. I expect it will come from someone other than Justin Hammer this time round. Maybe Ian Quinn or Centipede.

 

[Vartha]

I'm still curious if we'll ever see any of the Mob that are not tied up in Spidey contracts.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could always use the Maggia, with Madame Masque et al.