Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 6

[Dr. Evil]

sure. but i considered hayden panettiere, first.

But Rosario has nice......eyes.

 

[Xeno]

death is traumatic. as for the growth, maybe she could have a pym particle-related accident. i'd also settle for them just bringing in someone else to play the character. maybe she falls through the Siege Perilous and comes out the other side Rosario Dawson.

Maybe Skye could undergo a transformation like Fred on Angel. A demon/alien/whatever infects her, consumes her soul and takes over her body, emerging with an entirely new, less annoying personality. Though in Skye's case it would be best if the transformation were total, with the body being replaced as well by one played by a better actress. Rosario would never do TV but there are a million actresses in LA who would be better suited for the role.

By the way, don't take the sniping of the Skye fans to heart. They're are lonely so attacking everyone who disagrees with them is their clumsy way of trying to make conversation. Pity is the best response.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Maybe Skye could undergo a transformation like Fred on Angel. A demon/alien/whatever infects her, consumes her soul and takes over her body, emerging with an entirely new, less annoying personality. Though in Skye's case it would be best if the transformation were total, with the body being replaced as well by one played by a better actress. Rosario would never do TV but there are a million actresses in LA who would be better suited for the role.

By the way, don't take the sniping of the Skye fans to heart. They're are lonely so attacking everyone who disagrees with them is their clumsy way of trying to make conversation. Pity is the best response.

Not true. She was going to executive produce (with Gail Anne Hurd) and star in a series for AMC based on the graphic novel "Occult Crimes Task Force" (which she created herself). Earlier this year, while promoting "Trance" she said that the project was still in development.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Skye could undergo a transformation like Fred on Angel. A demon/alien/whatever infects her, consumes her soul and takes over her body, emerging with an entirely new, less annoying personality. Though in Skye's case it would be best if the transformation were total, with the body being replaced as well by one played by a better actress. Rosario would never do TV but there are a million actresses in LA who would be better suited for the role.

By the way, don't take the sniping of the Skye fans to heart. They're are lonely so attacking everyone who disagrees with them is their clumsy way of trying to make conversation. Pity is the best response.

Maybe that could happen to the rest of the cast too. Coulson finds that they're all replaced and look completely different - almost like different actors entirely.

 

[Ant-manic]

i'd be interested in more Victoria Hand. when she's going to make her heel turn?

 

[Xeno]

Maybe that could happen to the rest of the cast too. Coulson finds that they're all replaced and look completely different - almost like different actors entirely.

You mean they would look less like they just stepped out of a clothing ad and more like SHIELD agents? That might work, but would the general audience really buy actual adults who are old enough to be experienced agents in these roles?* One can only stretch the suspension of disbelief so far before it snaps.


* Melinda May is the obvious exception, as is Coulson himself.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Pity is the best response.

Condescension is a good one too, apparently. And I'd save the pity for people who get their jollies by constantly talking about murdering off a fictional character they don't like.

 

[Xeno]

Condescension is a good one too, apparently.

Hypocrisy. You're doing it right.

 

[metaphysician]

Maybe Skye could undergo a transformation like Fred on Angel. A demon/alien/whatever infects her, consumes her soul and takes over her body, emerging with an entirely new, less annoying personality. Though in Skye's case it would be best if the transformation were total, with the body being replaced as well by one played by a better actress. Rosario would never do TV but there are a million actresses in LA who would be better suited for the role.

By the way, don't take the sniping of the Skye fans to heart. They're are lonely so attacking everyone who disagrees with them is their clumsy way of trying to make conversation. Pity is the best response.

. . .while I find the sentiment questionable, I can't help but imagine Root showing up on Agents of SHIELD. And showing up Skye. *ahem*

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Hypocrisy. You're doing it right.

I reckon you would know, considering how eager you seem to be to shut me down while at the same time advocating your right to post your bizarre little death fantasies.

But you can busy yourself scrolling if my posts bother you so much. Wasn't that the advice you gave?

 

[Xeno]

I reckon you would know, considering how eager you seem to be to shut me down

There goes that hypocrisy again. You are really good at this. t:


News flash: It's impossible to "murder" fictional characters. It's also fine to want them "dead." They aren't actually alive to begin with.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

There goes that hypocrisy again. You are really good at this. t:

And you're great at selectively editing posts. We all have out little talents.

News flash: It's impossible to "murder" fictional characters.

Apparently it's not impossible to sit around fantasizing about it all the time, though.

 

[Alex_Kidd]

i'd be interested in more Victoria Hand. when she's going to make her heel turn?

I think that Victoria Hand will be a "inside" SHIELD villan. my theory is that Vic will be the "left arm" of the Centipede project, another pawn.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I hope they keep her around and she even gets some film appearances. Not read any comics with Hand but I like Burrows a lot. Deep Blue Sea was awesome. And if they bring Tom Jane back as Punisher (yes, I know it's unlikely but I don't care so buzz off!) that's a potential three-way reunion.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Man I can understand the criticism for the show and as a whole, I think Arrow is doing a better job of expanding their universe right now but they aren't limited by the constraints of living in a much larger dimension where casting someone can be a major decision that will have ramifications for years to come. Marvel is game to use any character in the movies so that severely limits what they can and can't do, granted they can always recast but the whole point of shared universe is that it is all connected.

I have faith that by the end of this season will see more of a cohesive and unified show from AoS. I think it's going to be all about the long game here and they said they have a definite 2 year plan with the show. Hopefully this show goes long beyond that because I dig it but if it's just the 2 seasons then so be it.

 

[Shikamaru]

Man I can understand the criticism for the show and as a whole, I think Arrow is doing a better job of expanding their universe right now but they aren't limited by the constraints of living in a much larger dimension where casting someone can be a major decision that will have ramifications for years to come. Marvel is game to use any character in the movies so that severely limits what they can and can't do, granted they can always recast but the whole point of shared universe is that it is all connected.

I have faith that by the end of this season will see more of a cohesive and unified show from AoS. I think it's going to be all about the long game here and they said they have a definite 2 year plan with the show. Hopefully this show goes long beyond that because I dig it but if it's just the 2 seasons then so be it.

1) The show, at the moment, isn't even doing a good job working with the materials they have.
2) If they knew this would be a problem going into the show, why not do a show based on a comic book character in the first place?

 

[Alex_Kidd]

Man I can understand the criticism for the show and as a whole, I think Arrow is doing a better job of expanding their universe right now but they aren't limited by the constraints of living in a much larger dimension where casting someone can be a major decision that will have ramifications for years to come. Marvel is game to use any character in the movies so that severely limits what they can and can't do, granted they can always recast but the whole point of shared universe is that it is all connected.

I have faith that by the end of this season will see more of a cohesive and unified show from AoS. I think it's going to be all about the long game here and they said they have a definite 2 year plan with the show. Hopefully this show goes long beyond that because I dig it but if it's just the 2 seasons then so be it.

...Maybe, second season, hoping, praying, but maybe, a second season...

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

1) The show, at the moment, isn't even doing a good job working with the materials they have.
2) If they knew this would be a problem going into the show, why not do a show based on a comic book character in the first place?

I get your point but I'm enjoying it. I would give it as a whole right now 7/10. Could it be better? Absolutely, but give it time. They are going to need time to really find their niche and I have a feeling once they do most of our complaints will be laughed off as hiccups. Visually I think the show is stunning and once Marvel starts allowing them to really dig into the mythos of the universe we really will be on the way to a phenomenal show.

I know some are losing faith but I trust in Marvel and I think they see whats going on with the popularity of Arrow and will start to mimic aspects of that show to bring in higher ratings.

 

[The Question]

By the way, don't take the sniping of the Skye fans to heart. They're are lonely so attacking everyone who disagrees with them is their clumsy way of trying to make conversation. Pity is the best response.

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the reason people react so negatively to the stuff you post isn't because they're being hyper defensive about a character they like that you're bashing, and is instead because you're constant mantra like repetition of the same opinion that we're all well aware of, your disproportionate anger and hatred over a fictional character you have this strange spiteful obsession with, and your generally condescending attitude towards anyone who doesn't think Skye is the greatest insult to English literature in all of history are all really obnoxious?

We get it. You hate this character. You have not shared any new information or added anything new to the conversation since you first made that point. I think people would have a much brighter attitude towards your posts if you just chilled out and actually said something new.

 

[Shikamaru]

I get your point but I'm enjoying it. I would give it as a whole right now 7/10. Could it be better? Absolutely, but give it time. They are going to need time to really find their niche and I have a feeling once they do most of our complaints will be laughed off as hiccups. Visually I think the show is stunning and once Marvel starts allowing them to really dig into the mythos of the universe we really will be on the way to a phenomenal show.

I know some are losing faith but I trust in Marvel and I think they see whats going on with the popularity of Arrow and will start to mimic aspects of that show to bring in higher ratings.

I am giving them time. But giving time =/= not argue about the show's quality.

 

[The Question]

But of course, I shouldn't be surprised. This is Whedon we are talking about here. With Whedon, it isn't about which character is the most complex or has the most story potential nor is it about who would fit better for the main protagonist role. It's all about who he likes; that character will be shoved down people's throats, even if more appropriate characters for that particular part need to be ignored/hurt in the process. It should be pointed out this is the same guy who refuses to acknowledge Hank Pym's importance to the Avengers and to Ultron but fought to get Janet as a founding member in the first film.

Whedon is the Geoff Johns of Marvel - a very talented writer but has too much of a hard on for his favorite "pet characters" that he would do anything writing-wise to prop them up, even if it means crapping on other characters.

I disagree with this statement 100%. I see no evidence of that kind of character favoritism anywhere in Whedon's work, I see no evidence that he's refused to acknowledge Hank Pym's importance or replacing Hank Pym with a different character in the adaptation of Ultron's origin story constitutes crapping all over the character, and I see no evidence that Geoff Johns is a talented writer.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

It's typical for most of us fanboys that when a character that isn't one of the 'main characters' suddenly gets more airtime, than that character is automatically being 'shoved down our throat'

From what i can remember from the last few episodes, Skye didn't even have that much screentimes compared to the rest. She shared the spotlight with Coulson in the first few episodes but her role was gradually reduced the last few eps.

I'm not really a Wheddon hardcore fan, so i'm not really familiar with some of his tv works ( except Buffy but that was a looong time ago), only his Marvel comics works. And from what i can remember from that is eventually each and every one of the characters that he works on got their time in the spotlight.

 

[Xeno]

I get your point but I'm enjoying it. I would give it as a whole right now 7/10. Could it be better? Absolutely, but give it time. They are going to need time to really find their niche and I have a feeling once they do most of our complaints will be laughed off as hiccups. Visually I think the show is stunning and once Marvel starts allowing them to really dig into the mythos of the universe we really will be on the way to a phenomenal show.

I know some are losing faith but I trust in Marvel and I think they see whats going on with the popularity of Arrow and will start to mimic aspects of that show to bring in higher ratings.

AOS doesn't have to mimic Arrow to become a better show, it has to incorporate more of what make Marvel unique. It hasn't been able to embed itself in the MCU and exploit all that the larger Marvel Universe has to offer. Maybe the producers do have a workable plan for making this a good show but thus far they haven't given much reason to have faith in their vision. Parts of the show are enjoyable but it simply has not been compelling or consistent. Ten shows in it should have a clear focus and direction but right now AOS is still trying to find its footing, and that's a shame.

The second half of the season has got to show distinct improvements in writing or AOS is going to keep sinking in the ratings. The show has a 99% chance of getting a second season regardless of the numbers simply because Disney has so much invested in it. The Marvel goodwill factor is gone, however. Most people won't stick with it if it continues to be as mediocre as it has been.

 

[TRM]

Agreed that this show is doing its own thing. It doesn't need to copy Arrow. I get some of the complaints, but I think this show's success depends on the quality of the reveals to the secrets they've teased.

I still think that by the end of the season we'll find that Skye's a latent inhuman, Coulson now shares a negaband link with a half-alive Captain Marvel that Shield has in a tube, and Centipede is Hydra. I think this first season has to focus on some of the spy themes, secrets and false fronts. We've seen that Coulson's team doesn't really operate like the rest of Shield. Hand and Pierce could be with Hydra.

Maybe it's already part of a bigger universe, and many things have happened in the past, We just don't know it yet. We don't have above level ten access to the secrets of Shield. The whole show is built around a spy agency that happens to deal with superheroes. I think it makes a lot of sense for Centipede to be one head of the Hydra. Infiltrating key positions of power, secretly overthrowing Shield from within.

If you give something a name it can become a target. You have to come up with good names and code names for the false front companies and organizations. Centipede sounds harmless enough right? Centipedes have many legs, the Hydra has many heads. Names that also hold symbolic meaning to the mythological Hydra who re-grows two heads every time one is cut off.

Spoiler

They would be attempting to overthrow and control many powerful organizations, trying to control all sides. Killian's aim wasn't big enough, his brain only had parts of the plan. He was trying to advance Maya's ideas. He secretly began as a face for a think tank made up of many heads and masters, and became the public face of that branch of Hydra later in life. Trevor was referred to as the Master, but maybe Killian's code name is Master. While at AIM Killian was just another public/corporate face, a place to aim, another target. Killian was never truly anonymous because he became the public face of a company. His big old brain is egotistic like Tony's and he only thinks he has control.

Killian is somewhat see through, Tony almost figured out it was him behind things ahead of time. He almost saw it coming, "Trevor" was being very subtle with the fortune cookie lines. Tony could see through Killian's first presentation to Maya. Killian's organization had been circling Maya's research before the conference. Killian basically took her idea and tried to sell it to the military later. They called this head/face of the Hydra Advanced Idea Mechanics because they take ideas from other people's brains, advance them, and make them work. Killian seemingly stopped worrying about going hot, and getting Extremis fixed. Maya cared more about getting it fixed, Killian kinda forgot the original goals after it went corporate and became all about money. Subconsciously it became about besting Tony.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

When people comparing this show to Arrow...are they comparing AoS to Arrow latest season, or the first ten episodes of Arrow? because the firrst ten episodes of Arrow were nothing to brag about honestly. It wasn't until the second season that Arrow the series started kicking asses and taking names