Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 6

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May is the bad guy in that clip.
Hand is willing to forgo bureaucracy and seeks input from the senior agents on the team. Ward backs Skye; May stabs her in the back. That's enough of a vote of no-confidence for Hand to kick Skye off the team.

I think May may have ulterior motives now.


May wasn't being the bad guy, she was being honest. From the moment Coulson took Skye on as a "consultant" May has maintained that the hacker had no place on the team. She never said "I told you so" when Skye stabbed them in the back for a booty call and a tip-off to her scruffy boyfriend, but she doesn't seem to have much use for the hacker for legitimate reasons. That bit of "Me me me!" stupidity followed by a crying jag last episode pushed a few more of May's buttons. So she was honest with Hand and Skye got the boot.


Hand only sought May's input after Ward piped up in defense of Skye. She had Ward telling her something that did not comport with what she observed (Skye disobeying orders, going off on her own and hacking again despite the bracelet) so she asked May if she agreed with Ward. When May didn't back Ward up Hand went with her first call, though I think she would have booted Skye anyway on GP. The way Coulson's team operates would never fly with any other senior SHIELD official. Hand's attitude made perfect sense.


It will all be turned around in the end, of course. AOS is nothing if not predictable. However, Hand's concerns are legitimate even if she is using them to further her agenda. As far as May is concerned, there should have been conflict like this from the first instead of the cute and cuddly BS with them all sitting around playing games like the Brady Bunch at the end of the episode.
 
May wasn't being the bad guy, she was being honest. From the moment Coulson took Skye on as a "consultant" May has maintained that the hacker had no place on the team. She never said "I told you so" when Skye stabbed them in the back for a booty call and a tip-off to her scruffy boyfriend, but she doesn't seem to have much use for the hacker for legitimate reasons. That bit of "Me me me!" stupidity followed by a crying jag last episode pushed a few more of May's buttons. So she was honest with Hand and Skye got the boot.


Hand only sought May's input after Ward piped up in defense of Skye. She had Ward telling her something that did not comport with what she observed (Skye disobeying orders, going off on her own and hacking again despite the bracelet) so she asked May if she agreed with Ward. When May didn't back Ward up Hand went with her first call, though I think she would have booted Skye anyway on GP. The way Coulson's team operates would never fly with any other senior SHIELD official. Hand's attitude made perfect sense.


It will all be turned around in the end, of course. AOS is nothing if not predictable. However, Hand's concerns are legitimate even if she is using them to further her agenda. As far as May is concerned, there should have been conflict like this from the first instead of the cute and cuddly BS with them all sitting around playing games like the Brady Bunch at the end of the episode.

May's not being honest and practical in that clip; she's being petty and vindictive. Yes, Skye is a waste of space unless/until The Big Reveal ever shows her to be more than meets the eye, but the one skill she *does* have is teh haxxing. And in this episode, she's not doing it for herself for once: she's doing it to save Coulson's life. That's why Ward is willing to confess that yeah, in this case, Skye *is* actually useful in finding and saving Coulson's life.

So, for May to give her the boot --- even though it's almost certainly temporary and just a ruse for Hand's sake --- quite literally jeopardizes Coulson's life. She comes off looking not just *****y, but like a downright saboteur/villain.
 
May's not being honest and practical in that clip; she's being petty and vindictive. Yes, Skye is a waste of space unless/until The Big Reveal ever shows her to be more than meets the eye, but the one skill she *does* have is teh haxxing. And in this episode, she's not doing it for herself for once: she's doing it to save Coulson's life. That's why Ward is willing to confess that yeah, in this case, Skye *is* actually useful in finding and saving Coulson's life.

So, for May to give her the boot --- even though it's almost certainly temporary and just a ruse for Hand's sake --- quite literally jeopardizes Coulson's life. She comes off looking not just *****y, but like a downright saboteur/villain.

why is everyone taking what we see at face value? we know that Agent May is an experienced field operative. she's probably the smartest one in the room. maybe she wants Skye working from the outside; out of sight from a potentially corrupt element within SHIELD.
 
why is everyone taking what we see at face value? we know that Agent May is an experienced field operative. she's probably the smartest one in the room. maybe she wants Skye working from the outside; out of sight from a potentially corrupt element within SHIELD.

In the other thread I said that it will probably turn out that May was getting Skye booted so that she can go use her hacking skills outside the Bus. That's how these things always turn out. AOS's writers aren't going to break with the cliche in this case. I think May just put a little sincere anger behind her words because she really has been annoyed with Skye's presence.

On the broader points, though, Hand doesn't have to be a villain to see Skye's presence as a distraction and a security risk. Skye herself has done enough to convince Hand of that. Hand may well turn out to be part of the corruption at SHIELD but that really hasn't been a factor on the show. As of now AOS seems to be disconnected from the events in Captain America: TWS. Until there are some indications on the show itself that SHIELD is having problems in AOS's little pocket universe I'm not going to assume that is a factor in events.
 
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I think May was just being petty and bitter, cause she isn't crazy over Skye. We've seen through out the season she's not crazy about her.
 
Well, Skye needs to be put in her place at least once per Episode. So I'm cool with it.
 
Ok, down with thw questions, guys. What you want to ask to the showrunners?
 
I stated two examples in the same post you're quoting.

And I don't think they're examples of what you're talking about. The extent to which Skye is being shoved down people's throats is debatable, the extent to which Joss Whedon is actually involved in the day to day writing process of the show at the moment is unclear, and I don't see how trying to get a character he likes into a film who would be a second female character in a predominantly male cast and failing to do so counts as unreasonable favoritism or shoving anything down anyone's throats.

I see it everywhere. He refuses to acknowledge the fact that Hank Pym is one of the most important Avengers...arguably the most important after the Big Three (Cap, Tony, Thor). Not wanting to use him is one thing, but pretending as if he isn't important is a whole different thing. His initial "beef" with Marvel for not letting him put Wasp in the first Avengers film also makes him come off as hypocritical, since Janet is apparently an important founding member but Hank isn't.

1: What exactly is he not doing that you want him to do? He's writing Avengers 2, for whatever reason Hank Pym isn't going to be in it, and he's stated publicly that he thinks you can adapt Ultron's story without Hank Pym. What's unreasonable about that?

2: I don't see the hypocrisy you're talking about. He wanted to use The Wasp in the first Avengers movie. It didn't work out. How is it then hypocritical to not use Hank Pym in Avengers 2?



Continuing what I wrote above...

Removing Ultron from Hank is like removing Hank's strongest character arc from Hank. Ultron is the reason why Hank considered himself a failure, why his marriage failed, why he always tries his best (as a way of atoning for his biggest mistake), etc. In return, Ultron himself is also heavily influenced by Hank and plays into the whole family dynamic, with Ultron considering him his father. Hank/Janet/Ultron are essentially a dysfunctional family.

With that taken away from him and his founding member status taken away and a lot of the roles he plays in the team being taken away and with him being brought in so late into the game, what reason is there to care for this Hank Pym if he's been "robbed" of everything? Will Hank fully still be who he is after all that? Will he be as interesting to watch as he would have been in the beginning, had he not lost all the previously stated things in the first place?

I don't think Hank Pym necessarily needs to be a founding Avenger to still be interesting. He can have all the same shortcomings and personality quirks that define the character without that.

As for him not being the creator of Ultron, yeah, that is a loss to the character. But I really don't see how Whedon is at fault there. The Ant Man movie kept getting delayed due to Edgar Wright's other commitments and neither Hank nor Janet could get worked into the first Avengers movie, and at this point it just wouldn't make sense from a narrative standpoint to introduce Hank Pym in Avengers 2 as Ultron's creator.

Now, one could argue that the fault lies in choosing to adapt Ultron's story when using Hank Pym in it wouldn't be possible, which is a point of view I can understand. But Ultron isn't just Hank Pym's enemy, he's an enemy to all of The Avengers, and not using him at a time and in a story where it would make narrative sense to simply because the scheduling for another character didn't work out seems silly to me. Things get changed in adaptations, that's the nature of adapting things from one media to another. I don't see what's unreasonable about that.

I won't lie that I laughed at this. :funny:

In a way, I actually agree with you. I was specifically talking about his writing on the characters he really likes. I think Johns is good at writing his "pet characters" (Flash, Green Lantern, maybe Aquaman, and maybe one more). As in, the solo books of the characters he loves more than anything else. When it comes to any other character though...yeah. Batman especially should be kept as far away from Geoff Johns' writing as possible. Heck, further than even that.

Johns' runs on Green Lantern and Aquaman are some of the worst superhero comics I've ever read. He's not any better at writing those characters than he is at writing Batman. Honestly, I find his Batman stuff far less offensive because it's biggest crime is just being boring. His Flash comics are really the only stuff of his I like.
 
Ok, down with thw questions, guys. What you want to ask to the showrunners?

1. Will AOS ever shift to a more serialized format, as opposed to the procedural "freak of the week" formula it now follows?

2. Why didn't you use HYDRA or AIM instead of "Centipede?"

3. Will AOS tie in to Captain America: The Winter Soldier in any substantive way? Will the events in that film have a major impact on Agent Coulson and his team, or will the show gloss over the turmoil inside SHIELD?

4. How familiar are the show's writers with Marvel's library of available characters and will you be using more from the comic book universe in the future?

5. Has any of the criticism the show has received made an impact on how you intend to proceed with you two year plan?
 
1: What exactly is he not doing that you want him to do? He's writing Avengers 2, for whatever reason Hank Pym isn't going to be in it, and he's stated publicly that he thinks you can adapt Ultron's story without Hank Pym. What's unreasonable about that?

2: I don't see the hypocrisy you're talking about. He wanted to use The Wasp in the first Avengers movie. It didn't work out. How is it then hypocritical to not use Hank Pym in Avengers 2?

I don't think Hank Pym necessarily needs to be a founding Avenger to still be interesting. He can have all the same shortcomings and personality quirks that define the character without that.

As for him not being the creator of Ultron, yeah, that is a loss to the character. But I really don't see how Whedon is at fault there. The Ant Man movie kept getting delayed due to Edgar Wright's other commitments and neither Hank nor Janet could get worked into the first Avengers movie, and at this point it just wouldn't make sense from a narrative standpoint to introduce Hank Pym in Avengers 2 as Ultron's creator.

Now, one could argue that the fault lies in choosing to adapt Ultron's story when using Hank Pym in it wouldn't be possible, which is a point of view I can understand. But Ultron isn't just Hank Pym's enemy, he's an enemy to all of The Avengers, and not using him at a time and in a story where it would make narrative sense to simply because the scheduling for another character didn't work out seems silly to me. Things get changed in adaptations, that's the nature of adapting things from one media to another. I don't see what's unreasonable about that.

Plus we don't know if Pym in the movie is present day. For all we know, Rudd could be Lang and he's Present Day Ant Man. We'll see when more details come out.
 
The editor of CBR who is conducting the interview with Tancharoen & Whedon responded to my email, so hopefully one of my questions will be chosen.

1. Will AOS ever shift to a more serialized format, as opposed to the procedural "freak of the week" formula it now follows?

2. Why didn't you use HYDRA or AIM instead of "Centipede?"

3. Will AOS tie in to Captain America: The Winter Soldier in any substantive way? Will the events in that film have a major impact on Agent Coulson and his team, or will the show gloss over the turmoil inside SHIELD?

4. How familiar are the show's writers with Marvel's library of available characters and will you be using more from the comic book universe in the future?

5. Has any of the criticism the show has received made an impact on how you intend to proceed with you two year plan?
 
1. Yes as can be seen with recent stories coming together already

2. Because that's going to be a 'big' reveal of Centipede

3. Probably yes

4. Very well versed but reasonably careful using a character because then that's the version and actor in the entire MCU

5. Absolutely not.


There no need to ask them Xeno, I got ya covered girlfriend. :D

But in all seriousness, good questions to ask. Hope they answer some. I can't believe you didn't add any Skye hate hehe :)
 
1. Will AOS ever shift to a more serialized format, as opposed to the procedural "freak of the week" formula it now follows?

2. Why didn't you use HYDRA or AIM instead of "Centipede?"

3. Will AOS tie in to Captain America: The Winter Soldier in any substantive way? Will the events in that film have a major impact on Agent Coulson and his team, or will the show gloss over the turmoil inside SHIELD?

4. How familiar are the show's writers with Marvel's library of available characters and will you be using more from the comic book universe in the future?

5. Has any of the criticism the show has received made an impact on how you intend to proceed with you two year plan?


I'm afraid that they'll be annoying elusive about some questions, the same formula of the "trust of the two years plan"

I'wonder what they'll sey in case of another ratings fall
 
So will you have another cameo maybe even that of one of the Avengers even if a clip to make it look like there's a crossover when it actually explains a sequence from say the Cap sequel that's left unanswered from the movie?

Will any of the netflix series crossover with agents of shield?
 
I've heared a rumor about a mega tv project for Agent Carter...
Well, this news worry me a little bit. The timing wuold be suitable for a cancellation after the second season of AOS and a replacement, maybe on netflix, of Agent Carter as the official marvel's show.
 
I've heared a rumor about a mega tv project for Agent Carter...
Well, this news worry me a little bit. The timing wuold be suitable for a cancellation after the second season of AOS and a replacement, maybe on netflix, of Agent Carter as the official marvel's show.
It was in the Thor Dark world Empire mag. A slight mention there was a possibility of a show for Agent Carter no details other than that from Fiege
 
It was in the Thor Dark world Empire mag. A slight mention there was a possibility of a show for Agent Carter no details other than that from Fiege

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Well heres some quotes from Mirror UK

About the Show - “This is a massive deal for both Hayley and Marvel comic fans. It’s Marvel’s major project of 2014, and it will be a big budget production. Hayley is absolutely thrilled to have the opportunity and is incredibly grateful to Marvel fans who have basically been campaigning for a spin-off show for the past six months. It means moving to LA for six months but her friends and family are all behind her, and this is a huge opportunity."
Hayley Atwell about the Show - "The one-shot was so successful, the fanbase were like, ‘We want more of Peggy! I think Marvel probably take that very seriously, and it’s certainly something I would be a part of doing. I’d be interested to show different sides of Peggy. Although she’s kick-ass, and she can be aggressive and just as competent as the men, it’d be nice to show that she’s a feminist in a way. It’s not just about her being aggressive and as aggressive as the men in those action sequences, but being able to be a little bit more rounded as a person.”
ARTICLE -http://www.superheromoviesnews.com/2014/01/Hayley-Atwell-Will-Return-For-Agent-Carter.html
 
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While I would love to see an Agent Carter series (if it's done better than AOS), The Mirror isn't reliable. The reporter didn't name a source, not even "a friend of Miss Atwell," so it could be something they cooked up on their own. I'll start getting my hopes up when Marvel makes an official announcement.

If/when an Agent Carter series is developed Marvel should have Louis D'Esposito in charge of it instead of the Whedon crew or Jeph Loeb. That lot have already had their chance with AOS. It would be better if someone else had responsibility for developing Peggy's show.
 
i would love to have more MCU related series... there is only so little that the movies can expand upon each other, while a lot more can be shown in the tv series..

maybe we could see early experimental failures on recreating the super soldier formula...
 
I've heared a rumor about a mega tv project for Agent Carter...
Well, this news worry me a little bit. The timing wuold be suitable for a cancellation after the second season of AOS and a replacement, maybe on netflix, of Agent Carter as the official marvel's show.
when CSI: Miami came out, CSI wasn't cancelled. Star Trek TNG didn't suddenly stop, because DS9 arrived on the screens.... there is room for two shows in the MCU. especially if one of the shows takes place 70 years earlier
 
And there could be several shows running concurrently when DD, Luke Cage etc come out.
 
when CSI: Miami came out, CSI wasn't cancelled. Star Trek TNG didn't suddenly stop, because DS9 arrived on the screens.... there is room for two shows in the MCU. especially if one of the shows takes place 70 years earlier

There are also two NCIS shows at the same time.
 
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