Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 8

[coluanprime]

I loves me some Chloe Bennet, but I can't for the life of me see her trying to play Ms. Marvel alongside RDJ, the Chrises, Ruffahulk, Widow and whoever else is still kicking it on the big screen in 2018 (or whenever).

I always get annoyed when people act like just because someone is one tv means that they are inferior to movie actors. (I think you're right in this case) In a lot of ways, they have to be much better actors. Movie Actors only portray their characters for 3 hours max, Tv actors have to spend 25 hours in the role. Tv actors have to be able to a multi-faceted character and show growth and change in that role. Movie actors generally at most have a rushed arc. While I concede that when you're on tv the quality of the extras go down, but the leads are (usually) very good actors. i.e. I could definitely see May tellling off Stark, or Stephen Amell keeping up with Ben Affleck.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I always get annoyed when people act like just because someone is one tv means that they are inferior to movie actors. (I think you're right in this case) In a lot of ways, they have to be much better actors. Movie Actors only portray their characters for 3 hours max, Tv actors have to spend 25 hours in the role. Tv actors have to be able to a multi-faceted character and show growth and change in that role. Movie actors generally at most have a rushed arc. While I concede that when you're on tv the quality of the extras go down, but the leads are (usually) very good actors. i.e. I could definitely see May tellling off Stark, or Stephen Amell keeping up with Ben Affleck.

TBH, I'd love to see our favorite agents in Sitwell/Waitress sized roles in AoU.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

But necessary due to the Olympics. If AOS had been running fresh episodes against the Olympics during February, those numbers would have been even lower than that.

Right now, AOS is trying to settle into that "cult show" notch. A small but devoted hardcore audience. The thing is, they now need to pander exclusively to that hardcore audience (i.e., us), and rely on WOM to start generating new interest. For instance, some blogs the last couple of days have helped towards that end, with titles like "'Agents of SHIELD' Can Finally Become The Show We Wanted From the Start." (Or something like that.)

Hope you're right man. I confess I enjoyed much of last episode despite lingering issues. Might as well be optimistic I guess.

 

[marcvader]

TBH, I'd love to see our favorite agents in Sitwell/Waitress sized roles in AoU.

I think this may be happening with a couple of them in Winter Soldier.

 

[Crimson King]

Finally got around to watching this week's episode. Man, this show frustrates me to no end. It could be so good. Someone needs to take whoever's writing and explain to them that exposition in dialog is a huge no-no. Every line from Coulson felt like he was talking to the audience directly. "If we don't do this, this thing might happen." It's like they don't trust people watching to figure things out for themselves. It's been a problem from the beginning and it's still a problem.

Also, did anyone else think it was weird that they just kind of casually decided to kill some SHIELD agents in their way? These are co-workers. Criminals get tazed but other SHIELD agents get shot in the face? Uh...okay.

On the bright side, Paxton is great. I'm also liking this blue alien angle. I'm on record as saying I wanted the EMH Mar-Vell/Danvers storyline in the show. There's no reason to assume he's Kree, but I hope to Jeebus he is. It's one of the few reasons the "he can never know" line makes sense. If Coulson doesn't know he's an alien, he can't call in alien reinforcements.

 

[Huddsy]

Finally got around to watching this week's episode. Man, this show frustrates me to no end. It could be so good. Someone needs to take whoever's writing and explain to them that exposition in dialog is a huge no-no. Every line from Coulson felt like he was talking to the audience directly. "If we don't do this, this thing might happen." It's like they don't trust people watching to figure things out for themselves. It's been a problem from the beginning and it's still a problem.

Also, did anyone else think it was weird that they just kind of casually decided to kill some SHIELD agents in their way? These are co-workers. Criminals get tazed but other SHIELD agents get shot in the face? Uh...okay.

On the bright side, Paxton is great. I'm also liking this blue alien angle. I'm on record as saying I wanted the EMH Mar-Vell/Danvers storyline in the show. There's no reason to assume he's Kree, but I hope to Jeebus he is. It's one of the few reasons the "he can never know" line makes sense. If Coulson doesn't know he's an alien, he can't call in alien reinforcements.

They weren't SHIELD agents in the bunker. It was explained that the bunker was not a SHIELD facility...

 

[Crimson King]

They weren't SHIELD agents in the bunker. It was explained that the bunker was not a SHIELD facility...

Not a listed SHIELD facility, but still SHIELD. I thought it was hinted at that Fury intentionally kept it off the books.

 

[marcvader]

Not a listed SHIELD facility, but still SHIELD. I thought it was hinted at that Fury intentionally kept it off the books.

At face value it appears to be the case but with the "Uprising" storyline and connection the the happenings of Winter Soldier not everything is as it appears. Things are happening in SHIELD and people are thinking that this facility may be in Hydra hands now.

 

[Crimson King]

Yes, but was Coulson thinking that? I don't believe so.

 

[marcvader]

Yes, but was Coulson thinking that? I don't believe so.

No he wasn't but he's pretty much not feeling his SHIELD bretheren these days and feels SHIELD has done him wrong.

 

[Huddsy]

Not a listed SHIELD facility, but still SHIELD. I thought it was hinted at that Fury intentionally kept it off the books.

No, not still SHIELD. It wasn't a SHIELD facility.

It was a facility, that Fury had visited. Doesn't make it SHIELD.

Yes, but was Coulson thinking that? I don't believe so.

Coulson gave them every chance to be diplomatic. They shot first. You're damn right you shoot back in that case. That's just pure logic.

 

[fixxxer]

They weren't SHIELD agents in the bunker. It was explained that the bunker was not a SHIELD facility...

Yes, it might not be a SHIELD facility on the books, but at the very least, it's a facility that SHIELD oversees/uses for it's more "experimental" medical procedures. Killing the two guards was absurd. If I was Fury and heard about this fiasco, I'm shooting the Bus right out of the sky. Even if they later explain that it was the base of some nefarious/evil organization so that Coulson and team's actions will retroactively seem less sociopathic or insane, doesn't make it less so in the moment, since based on the information at hand, the obvious assumption is that the base is aligned with SHIELD. Attacking it is basically a declaration of war against his own organization. Just frustratingly poor writing on this front.

Especially frustrating because there was so much cool stuff in there... the (probably) Kree, Garrett, Trip (despite not having much to do), the midair docking sequence, the most advanced database querying system known to man, etc.

 

[HunBoy]

Sorry, if "repost." I'm not read back:

Spoiler

 

[cherokeesam]

Yes, it might not be a SHIELD facility on the books, but at the very least, it's a facility that SHIELD oversees/uses for it's more "experimental" medical procedures. Killing the two guards was absurd. If I was Fury and heard about this fiasco, I'm shooting the Bus right out of the sky. Even if they later explain that it was the base of some nefarious/evil organization so that Coulson and team's actions will retroactively seem less sociopathic or insane, doesn't make it less so in the moment, since based on the information at hand, the obvious assumption is that the base is aligned with SHIELD. Attacking it is basically a declaration of war against his own organization. Just frustratingly poor writing on this front.

Especially frustrating because there was so much cool stuff in there... the (probably) Kree, Garrett, Trip (despite not having much to do), the midair docking sequence, the most advanced database querying system known to man, etc.

I thought they made it pretty clear that Coulson and friends realized full well that the facility wasn't SHIELD. Maybe they don't know about HYDRA yet (the guys who were most likely actually running the joint; hence the guard named "Bob," as a wink-n-nod in-joke to trufans), but Simmons had already found out that it wasn't SHIELD who was running the base, and hence it wasn't really SHIELD who had done the work on Coulson.

 

[Huddsy]

I thought they made it pretty clear that Coulson and friends realized full well that the facility wasn't SHIELD. Maybe they don't know about HYDRA yet (the guys who were most likely actually running the joint; hence the guard named "Bob," as a wink-n-nod in-joke to trufans), but Simmons had already found out that it wasn't SHIELD who was running the base, and hence it wasn't really SHIELD who had done the work on Coulson.

Exactly.

Plus I don't understand where this "they attacked" nonsense came from. They showed up and tried to be diplomatic and then were SHOT AT. Of course they shot back. They also were likely attempting to wound them so they could ask questions, based on the fact that they started asking the remaining guard questions before he did die.

 

[fixxxer]

I thought they made it pretty clear that Coulson and friends realized full well that the facility wasn't SHIELD. Maybe they don't know about HYDRA yet (the guys who were most likely actually running the joint; hence the guard named "Bob," as a wink-n-nod in-joke to trufans), but Simmons had already found out that it wasn't SHIELD who was running the base, and hence it wasn't really SHIELD who had done the work on Coulson.

Agreed, it wasn't listed as a SHIELD base. However, Coulson knows the following:

a) His horrific surgeries were performed in the Guest House.
b) Fury ordered and oversaw said procedures in the Guest House.

Based on that, it's logical to assume that it's somehow affiliated with SHIELD. It might prove to be under the control of a hostile organization (HYDRA Bob reference et al) in the end, but based on what Coulson knows, attacking the Guest House is basically declaring war on Fury.

 

[Pokkle]

Sorry, if "repost." I'm not read back:

Spoiler

So it's really a Kree

 

[Vartha]

Not really Fixer. Fury in the comics has been operating OUTSIDE of SHIELD for YEARS.
SHIELD in the comics was disbanded during Civil War, and Nick had his own head quarters

 

[Vartha]

So it's really a Kree

Well we HOPE so lol

 

[Dark Raven]

So what is the significance of that alien that Coulson saw, and how did it contribute to his coming back from the dead?

I thought at first we'd see his corpse in there and he'd realise that he has a different body, perhaps with his brain transplanted into it. Then i wondered if that alien thing was a version of his body which had been experimented upon - maybe one experiment that had failed and the body was now discarded. It didn't look like a complete body either.

 

[Silvermoon]

So what is the significance of that alien that Coulson saw, and how did it contribute to his coming back from the dead?

I thought at first we'd see his corpse in there and he'd realise that he has a different body, perhaps with his brain transplanted into it. Then i wondered if that alien thing was a version of his body which had been experimented upon - maybe one experiment that had failed and the body was now discarded. It didn't look like a complete body either.

I think right now all we know about the significance was simply that the blood or ichor or whatever it was they were harvesting from that alien body is what allowed Coulson's body to heal his internal organs (repair his perforated heart and whatever other damage there was).

Any significance beyond that I think is still speculation (i.e. whether that fluid alone or that fluid in conjunction with something else they did is what actually returned his body back to life - we're not sure yet.........I don't think)

 

[Huddsy]

Agreed, it wasn't listed as a SHIELD base. However, Coulson knows the following:

a) His horrific surgeries were performed in the Guest House.
b) Fury ordered and oversaw said procedures in the Guest House.

Based on that, it's logical to assume that it's somehow affiliated with SHIELD. It might prove to be under the control of a hostile organization (HYDRA Bob reference et al) in the end, but based on what Coulson knows, attacking the Guest House is basically declaring war on Fury.

No... it's really not.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yes, it might not be a SHIELD facility on the books, but at the very least, it's a facility that SHIELD oversees/uses for it's more "experimental" medical procedures. Killing the two guards was absurd. If I was Fury and heard about this fiasco, I'm shooting the Bus right out of the sky. Even if they later explain that it was the base of some nefarious/evil organization so that Coulson and team's actions will retroactively seem less sociopathic or insane, doesn't make it less so in the moment, since based on the information at hand, the obvious assumption is that the base is aligned with SHIELD. Attacking it is basically a declaration of war against his own organization. Just frustratingly poor writing on this front.

Especially frustrating because there was so much cool stuff in there... the (probably) Kree, Garrett, Trip (despite not having much to do), the midair docking sequence, the most advanced database querying system known to man, etc.

The facility has no known ties to shield besides fury going there. We have no reason to believe its shield

 

[Alex_Kidd]

I'm for the "we have to do what we have to do"
there was no possibility of contact with the agents inside the facility, no possibility to talk, and the time was really really short. The end justifies the means.

The Shield vs Shield war is begun.

 

[Gr0oT]

Coulson gave them every chance to be diplomatic. They shot first. You're damn right you shoot back in that case. That's just pure logic.

Think about this for a second.
I step up to an armoured vehicle.
The gentlemen guarding it get defensive.
I explain that there is something inside that can save my friends life.
They possibly ask for me to show my clearance.
I have none.
I insist on getting in.
They draw their weapons.
Shoot as I approach.
I take out my gun and put one in each of their heads.

They're the ones in the wrong?