Aliens Vs Predator

[Horhey]

AVP 3 for the PC and XBOX 360 is long overdew. Alot of people (including me) still play AVP 2 so its not like there isnt a demand for it.

 

[xwolverine2]

wow... anyone catch all the tvspots on fox?!!

...

 

[dark_b]

nit even a teaser poster.
what has a teaser poster to do wit hteh quality of the movie?
nothing.
becasue they dont have a poster it means that they dont care.

 

[xmangambit]

I am a Big fan of the first 3 Aliens,

after that screw em including AvPs!

That French dude and Joss Whedon totally totally screwed resurrection, ever other seen had someone eating food in a totally unnecessary manner, like when the Captain is Sucking the life out of the lemon!
The whole Newborn thing...WTF?
The wheel chair guy? The Token Black guy! The way it looked like the sewers...the way the Queen gets knocked the F out! The way the Aliens actually look like they have Duck feet? The way the look like they need braces and a Mop to clean up there non stop salivating...Thats just resurrection!

AvP....lord almighty...I'm not even gonna start, 1 name! Paul.W.S.Anderson!
O wait, but I have to say the there is NO characterization, you know I hear a lot of people saying there is No characterization in Alien3 but if you sit down and Watch that film you are blessed with non stop personalities, AvP on the other hand has potential for great characters but the murders them before they have a chance to shine!!! The chick with the White Hair?? What's was her name?? The one who ripped of the quote from "True Romance" by Christian Slater when he says, "I rather have one than use it, than not have one", WHICH was probably some sick little homage by Anderson that failed with his begging nod to Tarinto who wrote "True Romance"....Anyway she could have been a decent character, and could have been used as a friend for the main character...SEE..I can't even remember their effing names!! I can remember all the names from Alien/Aliens&Alien3 but not AvP! The nerd guy who dies with her seemed like a decent character but get's merked off aswell....AND we don't even see it! We get a facehugger and a split second birth??? THIS is just the surface I'm not even going to bother to go deeper...

AND NOW AvP2???

I thought there might actually be hope, but all this delay has got me vexed! Fox don't give an F! They know Fools are still going to pay to watch their crap! There's no teaser and you're being fed stories "o it got delayed, o it's getting more money, o they filming new scenes, o Fox exec's liked it.." F off! The bottom line is, I could make the best AvP ever! Fox you need to give me that budget and I would bring in more money than Anderson ever could and these 2 new chumps...and believe me I respect them for doing it better, because it will be better no doubt, I've studied their work, but it ain't no way gonna topple stuff like Transformers!

Gone.

 

[livrule]

I am a Big fan of the first 3 Aliens,

after that screw em including AvPs!

That French dude and Joss Whedon totally totally screwed resurrection, ever other seen had someone eating food in a totally unnecessary manner, like when the Captain is Sucking the life out of the lemon!
The whole Newborn thing...WTF?
The wheel chair guy? The Token Black guy! The way it looked like the sewers...the way the Queen gets knocked the F out! The way the Aliens actually look like they have Duck feet? The way the look like they need braces and a Mop to clean up there non stop salivating...Thats just resurrection!

AvP....lord almighty...I'm not even gonna start, 1 name! Paul.W.S.Anderson!
O wait, but I have to say the there is NO characterization, you know I hear a lot of people saying there is No characterization in Alien3 but if you sit down and Watch that film you are blessed with non stop personalities, AvP on the other hand has potential for great characters but the murders them before they have a chance to shine!!! The chick with the White Hair?? What's was her name?? The one who ripped of the quote from "True Romance" by Christian Slater when he says, "I rather have one than use it, than not have one", WHICH was probably some sick little homage by Anderson that failed with his begging nod to Tarinto who wrote "True Romance"....Anyway she could have been a decent character, and could have been used as a friend for the main character...SEE..I can't even remember their effing names!! I can remember all the names from Alien/Aliens&Alien3 but not AvP! The nerd guy who dies with her seemed like a decent character but get's merked off aswell....AND we don't even see it! We get a facehugger and a split second birth??? THIS is just the surface I'm not even going to bother to go deeper...

AND NOW AvP2???

I thought there might actually be hope, but all this delay has got me vexed! Fox don't give an F! They know Fools are still going to pay to watch their crap! There's no teaser and you're being fed stories "o it got delayed, o it's getting more money, o they filming new scenes, o Fox exec's liked it.." F off! The bottom line is, I could make the best AvP ever! Fox you need to give me that budget and I would bring in more money than Anderson ever could and these 2 new chumps...and believe me I respect them for doing it better, because it will be better no doubt, I've studied their work, but it ain't no way gonna topple stuff like Transformers!

Gone.

Amen ... agree with every word.

 

[xmangambit]

Thanks dude

 

[Bishop2]

Anyone who honestly believes that AVP has less characterization than Alien 3, despite the fact that AVP literally spends 45 minutes only setting up the characters, isn't really worth acknowledging. These are the people who blindly hate Anderson because the Internet told them to, and don't bother to actually weigh the evidence on-screen or think for themselves. I love how you choose to pick out a few select characters who were clearly minor though, and then complain that they don't have enough development. Yeah, might as well complain that Crowe and Wierzbowski weren't developed enough in Aliens. Heh.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Designed only for the PSP?

Please tell me this is some kind of sick twisted fugged up joke!

I really want to play a Predator game

 

[Bishop2]

Designed only for the PSP?

Please tell me this is some kind of sick twisted fugged up joke!

I really want to play a Predator game

I know, man... I know. But on the other hand, it might turn out to be as awful as Concrete Jungle... that game was such a great concept, and so absolutely dreadful in reality.

 

[Bat Attack]

sigh... I can't afford a new system, dammit, why must the PSP tempt me so?

I own a psp and must say, it's not that great...in fact I hate it. I would get a PS3 but, 1. I can't afford it. 2. I don't have a hi-def television. 3. I can't afford a hi-def television.

 

[Bishop2]

I own a psp and must say, it's not that great...in fact I hate it. I would get a PS3 but, 1. I can't afford it. 2. I don't have a hi-def television. 3. I can't afford a hi-def television.

Why do you hate it? I'm curious. And I like your avatar and sig.

 

[xmangambit]

Anyone who honestly believes that AVP has less characterization than Alien 3, despite the fact that AVP literally spends 45 minutes only setting up the characters, isn't really worth acknowledging. These are the people who blindly hate Anderson because the Internet told them to, and don't bother to actually weigh the evidence on-screen or think for themselves. I love how you choose to pick out a few select characters who were clearly minor though, and then complain that they don't have enough development. Yeah, might as well complain that Crowe and Wierzbowski weren't developed enough in Aliens. Heh.

You have have got to be kidding right?

I can pick out more characters! The dude who falls down the the maze thing WHICH was disgustingly like the hive place he built for Resident Evil, that guy you hardly see him, only like 3 mins screen time in the film, he could have been decent. That comic relief guy was a waste of screen time, and he probably got more time than he deserved on screen, the Italian fool who dropped the cheesiest line ever to grace the screen "they call it the hunter's moon"...WTF? O yeh by the way we established from the previous Predator movies that they only come during the hottest years..and YET they in the coldest place on the planet..another point why make the film on EARTH?? They would have been better off doing it in space on another planet for more of that claustrophobia...but when it's on Earth you think yea, it's going to get messy, BUT NO, because the baroned them off in some remote place where nothing exciting happens!

The lies that Anderson MADE, he actually physically said that there was going to be MORE gore and More R-Rated version on the DVD, stuff he couldn't put into the movie, what do we get? Some basic intro, couple snips here and there, what happened to his half hour of raw footage?
I don't like Anderson because the Internet told me to like you put it, I don't like Anderson because he can't direct a good film and he completely ruined what could have been the best collaboration of 2 Iconic creatures.
O yeh and about Crowe and Wierzbowski, they are mentioned enough in the film that you know that they are there and part of the unit, part of the team.
AvP had no bonding and no thought behind the structure of the people integrating with each other. It was just plain and simple, nothing memorable from it, Nothing.

Gone.

 

[Cyrusbales]

People should wait to see the film before slating it, otherwise you just make yourself seem like an assclown.

 

[Bishop2]

The lies that Anderson MADE, he actually physically said that there was going to be MORE gore and More R-Rated version on the DVD, stuff he couldn't put into the movie, what do we get? Some basic intro, couple snips here and there, what happened to his half hour of raw footage?

He never said that. It was some BS made up by an IMDB poster who claimed that he attended a screening of AVP with Anderson present... a screening that never happened. He later admitted to making crap up.

I sure do get tired of having to explain that to people, though.

 

[jimmylace]

Anyone who honestly believes that AVP has less characterization than Alien 3, despite the fact that AVP literally spends 45 minutes only setting up the characters, isn't really worth acknowledging. These are the people who blindly hate Anderson because the Internet told them to, and don't bother to actually weigh the evidence on-screen or think for themselves. I love how you choose to pick out a few select characters who were clearly minor though, and then complain that they don't have enough development. Yeah, might as well complain that Crowe and Wierzbowski weren't developed enough in Aliens. Heh.

you're wrong. Alien 3 has amazing characterization. AvP has none. AvP doesn't spend 45 minutes setting up characters either...all it gives us are some crappy, cliched character outlines that are summed up in one or two lines of dialogue. She climbed mountains with her dad= adventurer. She carries a gun at all times = hard. He's an archaeologist. He's a rich man who isn't so bad after all. THATS IT. The acting in all cases is wooden. Alien 3 boasts some of the best theatre actors around at the time. You dont need dialogue to guess that these characters are the foulest of the foul murderers and rapists. You dont need dialogue to tell that none of these characters regret what they have done...but only regret that they got caught.

Scripts...words are bull****. It's all in the acting....which is why Alien works so well too. It's also why AvP doesnt.

I mean what...the scottish guy from Trainspotting, Henriksen.....Lathaan. These are all good actors, but under the direction of Anderson deliver their worst performances....

 

[Sam Fisher]

Funny how some of you are calling a movie crap when it's not even out yet.

 

[jimmylace]

to sum it up. Alien...Alien 3, all have incredibly naturalistic characters and performances.

Aliens, Alien Resurrection...and AvP all try to go for the fantastical bravado schtick that doesnt exist anywhere except in movies. Only one of them succeeds at it...because it is the natural writing style of the writer/director, whilst the other two merely try to copy his style.

 

[Bishop2]

you're wrong.

In your opinion, of course. I happen to think yours is wrong too!

Alien 3 has amazing characterization.

There are three "characters" to speak of in Alien 3 - Ripley, Clemens, Dillon. Everybody else is basically just a warm body. There's nothing there. No dialogue, no character, nothing to them. Well, you could maybe make an argument for Aaron having a little more to him.

She climbed mountains with her dad= adventurer. She carries a gun at all times = hard. He's an archaeologist. He's a rich man who isn't so bad after all.

She's an ice climber/arctic tour guide and ecologist who has been at loggerheads with major corporations because of her environmentalist views. She thinks her father died for nothing and her views of corporations influence her attitude toward Weyland and his plans for his expedition, putting them immediately at loggerheads, which isn't helped by the fact that she has no taste for weapons. He's an archaeologist who grew up in Italy, who's down on his luck, desperate and willing to risk his life for the sake of his career. Not much, but still more than you're giving him. He's a robotics entrepeneur who seems like he'll be another typical "company man" in the series - i.e. obviously evil and traitor - who turns out to have human motivations for his actions and be shockingly sympathetic. He's dying, he doesn't have kids, his only mark on the world is going to be a brand name that stands for nothing, he wants to have an impact on history.

Yeah, a little more detailed than what you wrote. I don't have anything else to say about Rousseau, but she's the first person to go down. She's fodder. She's up there with the likes of Crowe (Aliens) or Murphy (A3) in terms of being little more than a warm body who gets killed promptly. I'm amazed she got even one line of characterization, frankly. She's only there to die.

You dont need dialogue to guess that these characters are the foulest of the foul murderers and rapists. You dont need dialogue to tell that none of these characters regret what they have done...but only regret that they got caught.

If that's what you got out of Alien 3, I think you missed the point. These guys are, by and large, reformed into hardcore Christians. They DO regret what they've done... nearly all them. The junkyard scene being a prime example of some guys who obviously are willing to throw their redemption aside for the sake of some poontang.

 

[jimmylace]

If that's what you got out of Alien 3, I think you missed the point. These guys are, by and large, reformed into hardcore Christians. They DO regret what they've done... nearly all them. The junkyard scene being a prime example of some guys who obviously are willing to throw their redemption aside for the sake of some poontang.

Granted, the story of the characters in AvP may be a little more detailed than I outlined, but I still dont think the actors sold it very well. The atrocious acting resulted in me not caring about them, and I didnt enjoy any of their stories.....the dialogue was seriously cheesy and badly written too. gotta give me that

What I got from Alien 3, was that these prisoners were condemned...damned souls, and were being force-fed religion. As you point out-they were very quick to try to rape Ripley....ergo the system wasn't working. these people would never change much in the same way the Alien never changes. it just does what it does. The view of the world is very bleak in A3....its dark, frightening, meaningless and full of suffering. Dillon was the only one who was truly reformed whilst the other prisoners were effectively hiding behind christianity or using it to keep them sane.

 

[Horhey]

Anyone who honestly believes that AVP has less characterization than Alien 3, despite the fact that AVP literally spends 45 minutes only setting up the characters, isn't really worth acknowledging. These are the people who blindly hate Anderson because the Internet told them to, and don't bother to actually weigh the evidence on-screen or think for themselves. I love how you choose to pick out a few select characters who were clearly minor though, and then complain that they don't have enough development. Yeah, might as well complain that Crowe and Wierzbowski weren't developed enough in Aliens. Heh.

You must of been on the yayo everytime youve watched AVP. The movie was universally condemned. The script was cheese extreme (not the actors fault). The Predators looked silly. They were way too bulky and their armor looked like it was made by Mcfarlane Toys. Paul Anderson said he wanted Scar's dreads to be longer to give him a "romantic look" . Stan Winston Studios should of done the costumes for both movies.

 

[DorkyFresh]

There are three "characters" to speak of in Alien 3 - Ripley, Clemens, Dillon. Everybody else is basically just a warm body. There's nothing there. No dialogue, no character, nothing to them. Well, you could maybe make an argument for Aaron having a little more to him.

there are only 3 "characters" to speak of in AvP also...Alexa, Sabastian, and Bishop.....and if you're gonna count Bishop in AvP then you might as well count Bishop in Alien 3 since he showed up twice in different forms. Andrews (guy in charge) and Aaron (85) from Alien 3 were fairly memorable as well. the guy from AvP who said he had kids could be argued as a memorable character but that's pushing it...



...i don't know why you keep insisting that AvP had more characterization or memorable characters than in Alien 3 and there's no right or wrong in the matter but it's pretty clear your opinion is in the minority....and it's not because we're all Anderson haters or because the internet told us to think that way. we don't go around saying you're an Anderson lover...there's no reason for you to assume we think the way we do just because we're sheep...

 

[Bishop2]

...i don't know why you keep insisting that AvP had more characterization or memorable characters than in Alien 3 and there's no right or wrong in the matter but it's pretty clear your opinion is in the minority....

My opinion of the characterization in AVP may be in the minority, true, but in my experience, my opinion of the characterization in Alien 3 is not. They have a tendency to be equally treated with disdain, at the very least.

Yeah, AVP has Lex, Sebastian and Weyland. Alien 3 has Ripley, Clemens and Dillon. Maybe you could count Graeme in AVP, and maybe you could count Aaron in A3. But that's pretty much where the list ends on both, aside from smaller "fodder" characters who are given a few select moments to reveal something about themselves before they're offed. I just wish more of the "fodder" in Alien 3 had been given one or two lines about themselves before THEY got killed. Too many of them are wiped out during the final chase without us ever knowing Thing 1 about them.

 

[DorkyFresh]

My opinion of the characterization in AVP may be in the minority, true, but in my experience, my opinion of the characterization in Alien 3 is not. They have a tendency to be equally treated with disdain, at the very least.

i was never arguing that Alien 3 didn't have that much characterization. i would definitely say lack of memorable characterization is one of Alien 3's flaws. my argument with you, on this topic, has always been that AVP's characterization and development was way more lacking that Alien 3's. it's one thing to say Alien 3 didn't have much character development (i would agree) but it's another to claim that the people who think AVP has less character development than Alien 3 aren't worthy of acknowledgment...

 

[Spade]

AND NOW AvP2???

I thought there might actually be hope, but all this delay has got me vexed! Fox don't give an F! They know Fools are still going to pay to watch their crap! There's no teaser and you're being fed stories "o it got delayed, o it's getting more money, o they filming new scenes, o Fox exec's liked it.." F off! The bottom line is, I could make the best AvP ever! Fox you need to give me that budget and I would bring in more money than Anderson ever could and these 2 new chumps...and believe me I respect them for doing it better, because it will be better no doubt, I've studied their work, but it ain't no way gonna topple stuff like Transformers!

Gone.

I don't think that's a fair thing to say. I think anyone could say online that they can do better than a director- heck, I've held the notion in a few horrors of cinema. But it's much harder than most people give credence to. You would have to work with ADI in such a way to get them to backtrack on a design they were feverous about, try and undo Anderson's portrayl of the Predators, work with a crew of dozens upon dozens to get a single shot in your film with the right lighting to really bring out both characters, direct a script that will have inherent flaws from the getgo at this stage due to the studio falling in love with concepts that you may not want in your film, and then have to live with the fact that (as much as the film is your own) Fox has the final say as to what happens. Now do you think you can do a better job?

So this won't be the next Transformers...so what? As much as I love that film, you take away the CGI and you take away a large part of the reason to go see it. Characterizations were solid in my opinion, but without Optimus and his Autobot buddies it's another teen movie. I've always liked these franchises because they use practical elements to unabashfully create what the audience wants to see regardless or because of the action element. I would really prefer if Fox sold the franchises to a studio really willing to put effort and not roadblocks into the creative process, but there's little I or anyone else can do about that. But bashing the Strauses for a film we haven't seen yet just isn't right. They may be Anderson x2 or Ridley Scott divided into two people. At this point, we really don't know if they can work their way past the concept and make a great film out of what looks to be a mediocre script. Even if you come to hate it, give them a chance beforehand.

Anyone who honestly believes that AVP has less characterization than Alien 3, despite the fact that AVP literally spends 45 minutes only setting up the characters, isn't really worth acknowledging. These are the people who blindly hate Anderson because the Internet told them to, and don't bother to actually weigh the evidence on-screen or think for themselves. I love how you choose to pick out a few select characters who were clearly minor though, and then complain that they don't have enough development. Yeah, might as well complain that Crowe and Wierzbowski weren't developed enough in Aliens. Heh.

I don't think that it was an issue in either films about how long the time was spent on characterizations. It's that the flaw of both films is that they fail to make the audience care by the time they get to the creature kills who is being massacred. It reminds me of the first Friday the 13th in how little I could care about who these people dying are. An example of good character molding would be Hudson. At first he starts off as the cocky marine archetype whose attitude is like:

"Aw, hell yeah! Aliens? What are those, giant black bugs? Hah! Who needs to worry about those when you have a phalanx and a nuclear bomb right here at the ready?! Bring it on!"

And then, before we're midway into the film...

"Uhh...how about we call it even and get the hell out of here? I'm sure the Aliens won't mind! We can draw up an escape plan and go back for reinforcements or something...let's just get the hell out of here! Mommy, I'm scared!" *curls into the fetal position*

By the end of the movie, you do feel a little for the character when you know he's bit the dust. He was a coward, but at least he had personality. I'm not saying every film has to have memorable characterization in every character- heck, Aliens had Crowe and Wierzbowski bringing it down in terms of blank-slate cannon fodder. But in Alien 3, I really could only name a few people I so much as remembered- Ripley, Clemens, Dillon, Golic, maybe Morse...the rest is as it's said in the Quadrilogy commentary: the flaw is that it's essentially many bald British inmates that become a kill for the Runner. Golic and Morse are the hardest to remember because the original theatrical cut only draws a few emotional distinctions. That's not quite the same with the original Alien.

I do agree that AVP gets a lot of bad rep, moreso because it reflects badly on two franchises rather than one. But some of it is deserved. Just to follow the theme with Alien 3, I'll try to name a few of the human characters without referencing the Wiki or something: Lex, Weyland, Verheiden (sp?)...that's about it. Everyone else is a colorless mercenary or follows in the lead of the archaeologist- a character that isn't written well and doesn't have a significant scene (I only remembered that last guy because they yell his name out so many times). While some of the hate is undeserved, in comparison to even Alien 3 I really didn't care if any of the humans lived to see another day. At least I can't say Predator or its sequel let me down on that end.

People should wait to see the film before slating it, otherwise you just make yourself seem like an assclown.

Yup, that sounds about right.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Why so much love for alien 3 here? It was almost a remake of Alien, rather average really.