All Star Batman Thread

[hippie_hunter]

To be fair, Superman doesn't lobotomize people. Since neither hero kills, victory would be determined by which hero can imprison the other indefinitely, and that prize probably goes to Batman. Superman wouldn't be willing to injure Batman in such a manner (crippling, lobotomy) that Batman would be unable to escape whatever prison he was put in, but in contrast Batman wouldn't have to injure Superman at all--just stick him under some red sun radiation. A powerless Superman doesn't have the skills to escape.

Sure, if it was a kill-or-be-killed situation, Superman's going to win under most circumstances, but that's sort of a silly stipulation--it's saying that if the characters were nothing like themselves, and acting in ways they never act, Superman would win. Well, yeah.

That was just to show that Superman can very easily defeat Batman.

 

[CConn]

That was just to show that Superman can very easily defeat Batman.

But as Saint said, he really can't. At least, not without completely violating everything Superman is about.

Batman, being partially an anti-hero, can get away with a bit more.

 

[silentflute]

That was just to show that Superman can very easily defeat Batman.

Ever hear of lead? Better yet, go watch aflick called Superman The Movie.If Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor could do what he did, then Supes just doesn't have a chance against Batman.

BRAINS.

 

[silentflute]

I'm going to put this in a way for you to understand

Cute pics.They say alot about you.

Brains mean nothing when you are going up against a man who is also very intelligent himself that has practically god like powers.

Wrong.Brains mean EVERYTHING when you are up against an alien with god like powers.



Frank Miller's Dark Knight universe isn't even in continuity with the mainstream DC Universe.

Who cares?

In the mainstream DC Universe, Batman has been beaten by Superman and would have died if Wonder Woman did not intervene.

 

[CConn]

Better yet, go watch aflick called Superman The Movie.If Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor could do what he did, then Supes just doesn't have a chance against Batman.

BRAINS.

 

[CConn]

Wrong.Brains mean EVERYTHING when you are up against an alien with god like powers.

Actually, Superman is of VERY high intelligence as well. His god-like abilities allow him to comprehend, gather, and store information and knowledge far better and faster than any normal human.

Batman is the better detective due to his more cunning nature, but in terms of straight intelligence, Batman and Superman are very comparable.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Ever hear of lead? Better yet, go watch aflick called Superman The Movie.If Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor could do what he did, then Supes just doesn't have a chance against Batman.

BRAINS.

What the hell does lead have to do with anything? Lead isn't going to protect Batman from Kryptonite or really do anything unless Batman wants to hide in a room of lead and then jump out and stab him with a Kryptonite knife or something

 

[The Leaguer]

Actually, Superman is of VERY high intelligence as well. His god-like abilities allow him to comprehend, gather, and store information and knowledge far better and faster than any normal human.

I'm pretty sure Up, Up and Away gave him even higher mental abilities, which means that Supes has far better developed critical thinking skills than Batman could ever have, and has the potential to know more than Batman could dream of.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Cute pics.They say alot about you.

Seriously, am I the only one who got the freaking infraction

Wrong.Brains mean EVERYTHING when you are up against an alien with god like powers.

Not really. Superman can do actions before Batman can even begin them. Super-Speed and Superstrength can easily beat a man of high intelligence.

Who cares?

Most fans of DC Comics, DC Canon, the people in charge of DC Comics

 

[Saint]

I'm pretty sure Up, Up and Away gave him even higher mental abilities, which means that Supes has far better developed critical thinking skills than Batman could ever have, and has the potential to know more than Batman could dream of.

Well, what "Up, Up, and Away" gave him was superhuman calculation, or vertical thinking (as opposed to lateral thinking), like a computer. It's not really intelligence or critical thought, though applied properly it would certainly enhance those things--but Superman just isn't that person. He's not the sort who will use that ability to it's potential.

 

[The Leaguer]

Of course he is, he's a Pulitzer-prize winning reporter, he can critically think.

 

[Saint]

My post stands. Superman just doesn't think on the level that Batman does (unless of course you mean to tell me that reporters are as smart as Batman). Perhaps he could (and the super-calculation indicates he could), but he simply does not. It's not who he is.

This is a good thing, too, because it's a necessity that he doesn't think like Batman, just like it's a necessity that Batman not have super powers. Batman with superpowers is the only superhero the world needs, just like Superman with Batman's brain is the only superhero the world needs. A different skillset for each is imperative (and also a fact; otherwise there would be no need for a Justice League), and that is why you will never see Superman utilizing his mental faculties on the same level as Batman, though his kryptonian heritage indicates he could. By the same token, you will never see Batman give himself superpowers, though arguably he could.

 

[The Leaguer]

How is it not who he is? You keep saying that like it means something, but it means jack s***. Superman out-thinks his opponents all the time. It's who he is.

I have no idea where you get Superman not thinking is a necessity. How many people would agree that a dumb Superman is essential? No one. A smart Superman is infinitely more interesting.

 

[silentflute]

What the hell does lead have to do with anything?

If you can't tell, then I can't help you.

Lead isn't going to protect Batman from Kryptonite

What are you jabbering about?Lead will hide Kryptonite from Superman.End of story.


or really do anything unless Batman wants to hide in a room of lead and then jump out and stab him with a Kryptonite knife or something

Bingo.That's only ONE option by the way.Where ther's a will, there's a way.

 

[silentflute]

Not really. Superman can do actions before Batman can even begin them. Super-Speed and Superstrength can easily beat a man of high intelligence.

Not if that man has the resources to create Kryptonite, and surround himself with it and use it kick the living crap out of him.


Most fans of DC Comics, DC Canon, the people in charge of DC Comics.

Obviously, not as much as you care.

 

[silentflute]

Well, what "Up, Up, and Away" gave him was superhuman calculation, or vertical thinking (as opposed to lateral thinking), like a computer. It's not really intelligence or critical thought, though applied properly it would certainly enhance those things--but Superman just isn't that person. He's not the sort who will use that ability to it's potential.

Thank you.

 

[The Leaguer]

Yes, I thank him for being wrong, too.

 

[silentflute]

How is it not who he is? You keep saying that like it means something, but it means jack s***. Superman out-thinks his opponents all the time. It's who he is.

Yeah, but not to the level that batman outhinks his.Totally different ball game.

I have no idea where you get Superman not thinking is a necessity. How many people would agree that a dumb Superman is essential? No one. A smart Superman is infinitely more interesting.

There are varying degrees of intelligence.As there are different types of intelligence.No one's saying Superman isn't smart, but,again, lateral thinking is not his strong suit.

 

[The Leaguer]

No it's not a different ball game at all, Superman actually has super-intelligence as a power. And yes, lateral thinking IS a strong-suit, he's an INVESTIGATIVE reporter, he puts clues together for a living.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Leaguer your fighting a never ending battle this is a Batman forum yet alone a Miller book (who we all know has a problem with Superman). In their minds Superman is not smart enough and should never be able to beat Batman.

 

[The Leaguer]

I'm very much like Batman in that fact.

 

[silentflute]

Leaguer your fighting a never ending battle this is a Batman forum yet alone a Miller book (who we all know has a problem with Superman).

Actually, Miller loves Superman.


In their minds Superman is not smart enough and should never be able to beat Batman.

I/m just as much a Superman fan as I am a Batman fan.That being said, Batman still wins.

 

[silentflute]

No it's not a different ball game at all, Superman actually has super-intelligence as a power.

Yes, but because he's damn near omnipotent, his drive to use it is not like Batman's.


And yes, lateral thinking IS a strong-suit, he's an INVESTIGATIVE reporter, he puts clues together for a living.

His investigative skills are really up for debate.Even so, again, we are talking about the level in which he uses them.

 

[The Leaguer]

Yes it is, Superman is ultimately a pacifist, he would rather out-think his enemy than have to hurt him. They're not up for debate at all, he's won awards for it.

 

[silentflute]

They're not up for debate at all, he's won awards for it.

People win awards all the time - that's not indicative of anything except being in the right circles.By that token every film that won an oscar must be a masterpiece.And even you know that's not true.