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[Poni_Boy]

WB needs to understand comic book writers are the reason for some of the best comic book films.

Batman Begins = Nolan reached out to Goyer bc he knew comics
Hellboy 2 = Del Toro does script with Hellboy creator Mike Mignola
Iron Man = Favreau had the aid of Mark Millar, Brian Michael Bendis, Joe Quesada, Tom Brevoort, Axel Alonso, and Ralph Macchio.
Avengers = Joss Whedon
Spider-Man 2 = Raimi was a big Spider-Man nerd as a kid

Stop being ****ing stupid WB

WB doesn't seek out people with passion for DC properties they seek out people on budget

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

WB doesn't seek out people with passion for DC properties they seek out people on budget

It's getting harder and harder to me excited for WB with their stupid ass logic like this. I mean I understand it but when hiring Jackson, wasn't a reason because he was a Lord of the Rings fan? Also wasn't the Potter directors either familiar or read the source? So why not hire people familiar with DC characters & hook them up with comic book writers who don't know about them (just not Geoff Johns bc DC uses him for everything).

Why do book adaptions get treated well and not comic ones not named Batman? Because they aren't important? Because they are for nerds & dorks?

Well guess what WB, the comic book dorks over at Marvel Studios have you by the balls with how you want a DCEU like their MCU.

 

[Logan0327]

WB doesn't seek out people with passion for DC properties they seek out people on budget

somehow they got lucky with David Ayer

https://***********/DavidAyerMovies/status/649651130067083265

 

[The Guard]

Re: The “didn’t get it”, “Over people’s heads”, etc.

The writing could have been clearer in this film. Absolutely. The style they used is not easy to decipher. There could have been more exposition. Much of what the film presents is fairly subtle, ironically.

But there’s still quite a bit there.

Concerns like “Luthor doesn’t have motivations” for instance. Simply not accurate. Maybe his motivations aren't deep (have Luthor's ever been?) or what you'd like them to be, but he flat out mentions them in dialogue. Keyser and someone else made very good points regarding Luthor earlier this morning.

I don't think it's all a question of people not paying attention. It’s a question of people being used to other forms of information/communication.

Audiences seem to have have gotten used to exposition heavy films where characters tell us who they are, why they are, and what they are feeling and doing several times in different ways.

This is not one of those films. And maybe it should have had some more of that, since that's what people are used to. I guess you have to know your audience.

What gives me pause is that people say “Where is that?”, someone points out where that thing is, and the person who asked the question then says “That’s not there”.

I don't get that kind of thinking. Half of the joy of discussing these movies, at least for me, is discovering new things I missed or didn't consider via someone else's perspective.

 

[matt47]

somehow they got lucky with David Ayer

https://***********/DavidAyerMovies/status/649651130067083265

lol yeah...

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

somehow they got lucky with David Ayer

https://***********/DavidAyerMovies/status/649651130067083265

Arkham Asylum......

FAITH IN SUICIDE SQUAD UP 10000%

 

[Poni_Boy]

somehow they got lucky with David Ayer

https://***********/DavidAyerMovies/status/649651130067083265

Yes they did. Because he went to them, not the other way around. He did the Marvel thing and pitched to WB. All the other directors attached to the other DC movies are... not the same.

 

[Deserana]

Yes they did. Because he went to them, not the other way around. He did the Marvel thing and pitched to WB. All the other directors attached to the other DC movies are... not the same.

So I wonder which way round it is. Is WB ignoring the pitches? Or does no director out there seriously not have an interest in directing a DC movie?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Question: Do you guys remember this pic?

I don't remember that in the movie itself, does anyone? Feels like a staged promo piece

 

[Poni_Boy]

So I wonder which way round it is. Is WB ignoring the pitches? Or does no director out there seriously not have an interest in directing a DC movie?

Well considering Snyder wasn't even in Nolan/WB's top five to do MOS I'm guessing they are having a hard time getting talent. Look at the directors and writers for their upcoming movies. None of those guys seem really in demand, ya know? Wan had a runaway hit but its success wasn't attributed to him (he went back to do more low budget stuff)

 

[Logan0327]

kinda funny i have been more emotionally invested in this character and his journey over superman lol

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

kinda funny i have been more emotionally invested in this character and his journey over superman lol

And when this character's sacrifice is better and you get more of the feels then Superman.

 

[MrsKent26]

Question: Do you guys remember this pic?


I don't remember that in the movie itself, does anyone? Feels like a staged promo piece

I remember being excited about this pic because I was hoping it meant we'd see superman say something meaningful at the hearing and state his case to the world.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Re: The “didn’t get it”, “Over people’s heads”, etc.

The writing could have been clearer in this film. Absolutely. The style they used is not easy to decipher. There could have been more exposition. Much of what the film presents is fairly subtle, ironically.

But there’s still quite a bit there.

Concerns like “Luthor doesn’t have motivations” for instance. Simply not accurate. Maybe his motivations aren't deep (have Luthor's ever been?) or what you'd like them to be, but he flat out mentions them in dialogue. Keyser and someone else made very good points regarding Luthor earlier this morning.

I don't think it's all a question of people not paying attention. It’s a question of people being used to other forms of information/communication.

Audiences seem to have have gotten used to exposition heavy films where characters tell us who they are, why they are, and what they are feeling and doing several times in different ways.

This is not one of those films. And maybe it should have had some more of that, since that's what people are used to. I guess you have to know your audience.

What gives me pause is that people say “Where is that?”, someone points out where that thing is, and the person who asked the question then says “That’s not there”.

I don't get that kind of thinking. Half of the joy of discussing these movies, at least for me, is discovering new things I missed or didn't consider via someone else's perspective.

Thank you, The Guard, for being level-headed as ever and saying the things that the often more emotionally-driven of us would like to say, more effectively than we ever could.

 

[matt47]

kinda funny i have been more emotionally invested in this character and his journey over superman lol

Gosh darn it I love Cesar so much.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I cared more about Anthony's death in Ant-man than I did about Superman.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Well considering Snyder wasn't even in Nolan/WB's top five to do MOS I'm guessing they are having a hard time getting talent. Look at the directors and writers for their upcoming movies. None of those guys seem really in demand, ya know? Wan had a runaway hit but its success wasn't attributed to him (he went back to do more low budget stuff)

Poni I'm starting to wonder where you get these things from because I don't remember ever hearing that. Doesn't mean it isn't true, I just... you toss off these things as if they are common knowledge and I have no idea where you get them from.

 

[Sleiek]

I bet the next post is about caring more about Agent Coulson's death than Superman's.

 

[The Guard]

I'm wondering why people are just believing Poni's narrative about WB and the DCU and reacting as if its absolute truth.

Is it just "because"? Remember a few years ago when someone who supposedly had inside info kept saying there was no way to make a shared universe because of the structure of the studio? And like a few months later they announced a shared universe? I dunno, I just don't tend to believe everything I hear from one source.

 

[Charlatan]

Re: The “didn’t get it”, “Over people’s heads”, etc.

The writing could have been clearer in this film. Absolutely. The style they used is not easy to decipher. There could have been more exposition. Much of what the film presents is fairly subtle, ironically.

But there’s still quite a bit there.

Concerns like “Luthor doesn’t have motivations” for instance. Simply not accurate. Maybe his motivations aren't deep (have Luthor's ever been?) or what you'd like them to be, but he flat out mentions them in dialogue. Keyser and someone else made very good points regarding Luthor earlier this morning.

I don't think it's all a question of people not paying attention. It’s a question of people being used to other forms of information/communication.

Audiences seem to have have gotten used to exposition heavy films where characters tell us who they are, why they are, and what they are feeling and doing several times in different ways.

This is not one of those films. And maybe it should have had some more of that, since that's what people are used to. I guess you have to know your audience.

What gives me pause is that people say “Where is that?”, someone points out where that thing is, and the person who asked the question then says “That’s not there”.

I don't get that kind of thinking. Half of the joy of discussing these movies, at least for me, is discovering new things I missed or didn't consider via someone else's perspective.

yeah some people need things explained more than others. if you are familiar with the characters you know Lex is a megalomaniac. He's power hungry and willing to do anything to be the BMOC. He doesn't like authority or anyone who threatens to keep him from gaining power. His ambition is dwarfed only by his ego.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Poni I'm starting to wonder where you get these things from because I don't remember ever hearing that. Doesn't mean it isn't true, I just... you toss off these things as if they are common knowledge and I have no idea where you get them from.

Look it up. I don't mean this negatively but it's hard to keep up with what people consider common knowledge. Ya know?

Duncan Jones, GDT, and a bunch of other directors were approached before Snyder. And Snyder even passed on it once before.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

kinda funny i have been more emotionally invested in this character and his journey over superman lol

And when this character's sacrifice is better and you get more of the feels then Superman.

I cared more about Anthony's death in Ant-man than I did about Superman.

I bet the next post is about caring more about Agent Coulson's death than Superman's.

Yeah!

 

[Poni_Boy]

I bet the next post is about caring more about Agent Coulson's death than Superman's.

Was for me. Mostly because it was a surprise. Soon as that Doomsday trailer dropped it was obvious where thy were going