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This is the ALL THINGS BATMAN V SUPERMAN thread....it is NOT the Iron Man thread.

 

What happened to the posts about the alleged Goyer outline?

 

Nothing about a Goyer script was deleted.

 

Oh! I see it now. The thread reached its limit and closed.

Carry on.

 

If that was the original outline, it didn't sound too bad.

 

Not sure if I believe that outline is for real, but THAT'S how you do a Superman/Batman movie.

Just change KGBeast to Metallo and you're golden.

 

I thought it started off really strong, but fizzled out in the end. KGBeast being a Metallo placeholder and fighting battle suit terrorists, doesn't sound like an exciting third act. I also have trouble believing this was the original outline because I thought Snyder said he and Goyer thought up the 'VS' concept.

 

I won't say this film is entirely flawless, but it's a hell of a lot better than the hyperbolic criticisms it's been getting here and elsewhere. A lot of what passes for criticism is simply personal, subjective tastes and expectations contrasted against the decisions of the creative team.

 

That outline description sounds like fanfiction. So we're supposed to believe that Goyer's outline just happened to contain key elements that, when changed by Terrio, suddenly became most of the major concerns fans have about this film's result? That these elements made up the lion's share of the plot?

Not buying it.

 

Been away, pc been out of action, so first time been able to say since seeing it, absolutely loved it. Every single minute. All naysayers have no clue or concept in my view of what was trying to be achieved with ths film.

 

Wow. So anyone who disagrees with you has no clue or concept of this movie, eh? How about just stating what you believe without having to take a dig at anyone who doesn't feel the same way?

For instance: this is a clumsy, incoherent, badly edited mess of a movie, that treats its central characters with an attitude bordering on contempt, and is made by a man who believes he is being profound and daring, when in actual fact he's serving up a lacklustre, mediocre piece of fiction that in the years to come will be rightly derided by the majority.

There.

Didn't have to insult anyone else's opinion of the film.

 

No, neither am I. It just sounds like somebody's ticking off a wishlist of things that they would have wanted to have seen in the movie. No second act, poor villain, poor climax. I didn't like what we got, but this doesn't sound that much better.

 

Ok my bad, maybe but it more gently, apologies, my view is that the things is was slated for my critics and audience didn't appreciate the subtleties that in my view where clearly there and that the comments that Snyder doesn't get superman, for me, are failing to see that he is offering a modern aspect with the ideals & notions of the character.

As equal as you are to your view, as am I, they differ. There.

Sorry again.

 

No worries mate. I was a tad harsh there, myself. We've had an issue in here with people throwing insults at other board members versed around an attitude of 'oh, you just don't get' when a negative opinion is voiced.

You don't sound like the type to do that though, as it seems you can appreciate and respect that everyone had their own opinion - which is all you can really ask for, or want, around here.

 

Several ideas thrown around in the development of the film. The film was delayed and the script was changed in that time . Its clear what we got wasn't always what had been planned as far as the full story goes so the idea that the original idea isn't what we ended up with isn't that far fetched.

Whether this "Goyer outline" is real or not , who knows, though the outline does scream Dark Knight Rises and the whole Kryptonite bomb and terrorists angle is very Bane/League of Shadows- ish in addition to a "dead " Bruce Wayne. We know now , from Sndyer, that WB wanted Bale back and the alleged outline certainly sounds more like Nolan's Wayne than the Wayne we eventually got.

Metallo was rumored to be a baddie after MOS a couple years back, then again ,so were other villians, so that in itself isn't proof. It does sound better than what we got but then again, it still could have turned out to be a goose egg depending on the final script and execution.

 

THIS is how sensible fans discuss and disagree with each other. Makes me proud of the Hype.

Awesome job, friends.

 

Kinda OT: did you guys see someone threatening to kill Clarke Wolfe over IG because she gave a bad review to MoS?

 

OK..that's just gross. What type of insane fanaticism exists over a controversial movie?

 

I saw that she complained directly to DC about it for some reason.

 

I know right? Just bizarre

ok

 

It obviously has nothing to do with the actual movie. Sick people like that will use anything to behave this way.

 

I actually like the supposed Goyer outline a lot - at least Lex seems to have a legitimate reason for doing the things he does in the third act.

The beginning plays out mostly the same, although the focus on the terrorists possibly escalating their plan because of Superman's presence, leading to collateral casualties, reads a lot like the plot for

Spoiler

Captain America: Civil War

Which I find more believable, but would have probably invited more tiresome comparisons. Impossible to say, though.

Bruce seeming to be dead at the beginning has no logic behind it, aside from continuity with the Nolan films, if they'd wanted to approach it that way. Bruce being directly involved with his business from the beginning, getting intel on his own, was a part of BvS that I did like.

 

Pretty sure she just hash tagged DC comics in her post. It was a DC film.