All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[HighFivingMF]

GL's script was a mess, it needed rewrites and the CGI effects budget increased the production costs, as the effects were not ready on time and WB had to pour more money to get those CGI effects complete on time.

GL's extended cut is better than its Theatrical cut, it is at par with Fantastic Four 1, 2 and Spider-Man 3, X-men 3. (IMO.)

Remember that there was a talk about a CGI suit for Superman, but GL's ever increasing CGI budget made WB give up on that idea, or that is what I think happened.

There was never talk about a CG suit. Jamie or Showtime said if anything one person said "How about a CG suit?" but it was never anything they seriously considered.

 

[Adenjo]

On what account? How do we know that Amanda's cameo was meant to be one of the DCU expansion?

The after-credits scene to the film was Sinestro placing on the Yellow Ring of Fear.

Did you not see the after the after the credits the credits scene?
Where The flash runs up behind Sinestro, gives him a wedgy only to discover that Sinestro's underpants had infact been Plasticman the whole time?
Man, it was EPIC!
Morgan freeman as plasticman.. Now that was out of the box casting!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If GL was considered a good movie by the non comic book fans it wouldn't have tanked after opening with 53mil.

Most people I know didn't see the film in theaters (like Watchmen).

 

[mclay18]

I think Whedon might blow a head gasket soon -

http://www.darkhorizons.com/feature...ers?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Whedon is very sharp-witted... and to a degree he is correct. But a JL movie isn't impossible to crack, story-wise.

But he's completely wrong about DC heroes, both DC and Marvel characters have certain strengths and weaknesses. They're both relatable.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Dr. Amanda Waller is head of the fictional government agency called as Department of Extranormal Operations (DEO), whose activities include keeping a watch over super powered heroes and villains, aliens etc. That was indeed a hint to tying up various superheroes and super villains in the larger DCU.

It could have been, but it's also possible that the DEO was solely meant to be featured exclusively in the Green Lantern films.

As for the idea of Amanda appearing in MoS, I don't think it would be a bright idea. It'll be treading where Marvel Studios has gone before. WB shouldn't copy Marvel Studios' approach.

Did you not see the after the after the credits the credits scene?
Where The flash runs up behind Sinestro, gives him a wedgy only to discover that Sinestro's underpants had infact been Plasticman the whole time?
Man, it was EPIC!
Morgan freeman as plasticman.. Now that was out of the box casting!

 

[HighFivingMF]

I remember Basset saying she wanted to be DC's Nick Fury. But everyone said there were no plans to do that though.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Whedon is very sharp-witted... and to a degree he is correct. But a JL movie isn't impossible to crack, story-wise.

But he's completely wrong about DC heroes, both DC and Marvel characters have certain strengths and weaknesses. They're both relatable.

It's just sour grapes from WB rejecting his Wonder Woman script. Marvel's heroes are no different DC's in some aspects.

I still get a good laugh from some of the fanboys/fangirls when Iron Man was released.

"Iron Man is far more relatable than Batman! Why? Because Bruce is a billionaire, has tons of gadgets, super-intelligence, peak human conditioning, etc."

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yawn, I hate DC vs. Marvel.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yawn, I hate DC vs. Marvel.

It irritates me, and I don't see the point to it.

The Nolan-Bashing as well.

 

[Mike22]

I think Whedon might blow a head gasket soon -

http://www.darkhorizons.com/feature...ers?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

First things first,The

Call me

response from Whedon cracked me up big time. Really had a good laugh at that.

Secondly, he's wrong in his statements about Justice League. The only member that's be difficult to bring to life would be Wonder Woman.

Look guys, I've read some absolutely mind boggling reviews of The Avengers and I have rarely read such incredibly reviews about any movie. And we're not talking about Marvel fan boys going about their beloved movie, but about regular people that went in there not even caring but came out of the theater as FANS with full determination to watch the solo films that led up to The Avengers.
The last 30 minutes are described as being the most awesome sequence anyone has ever laid eyes on and that's not just in a comic book movie but the genre in general. And that's saying a lot considering how huge the Transformers movies were. since that's used as a reference to describe the scale of it.
What people (and they seem to be unanimous in this) are describing is basically movie magic at it's absolute finest. I just don't see how they WB can ever top this when they couldn't even make a good Green Lantern movie.
There is tremendous potential in a JL movie, but for that to ever happen they're going to need a Joss Whedon of their own, which they do not have, and do not even dare to suggest that Nolan is that guy. As far as I'm concerned, he's good, but overrated. His style just wouldn't fit the JL.

I really have my worries about how this will affect MOS, because every comic book movie will be compared to this one.

 

[Dr.]

Whedon is very sharp-witted... and to a degree he is correct. But a JL movie isn't impossible to crack, story-wise.

But he's completely wrong about DC heroes, both DC and Marvel characters have certain strengths and weaknesses. They're both relatable.

I don’t know the Marvel universe well enough to gauge how successfully it “cracked the code.” But I think Whedon is right about approaching these characters as “like us.” I’ve heard a lot fans try to defend the notion that, say, Superman operates under different narrative “rules” – that the basics of storytelling and characterization (“relatability”) that apply to novels, plays or movies don’t pertain to the Superman comics (or the genre in general). And that, imo, breeds and excuses a lot of crapola. Superheroes are different, to be sure. But they’re not so different that the fundamentals of plot and arc can be jettisoned. To be fair, I think the DC moviemakers are more than aware of this (even if they haven’t always succeeded). It’s mainly the DC fans who tend think in terms of exceptionalism. “If the general public doesn’t “get” the unabashed idealism and fantasy that these characters represent, then they’re the ones with the problem – not us.” I’d say that’s the formula for perpetual marginalization (if not extinction).

 

[Rust]

Pardon me, but **** scale and FX. Give me content first and foremost!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

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[Mike22]

Pardon me, but **** scale and FX. Give me content first and foremost!

Hehe, that seems to be exactly what Whedon did, the Scale and effects were just icing on the cake.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

First things first,The response from Whedon cracked me up big time. Really had a good laugh at that.

Secondly, he's wrong in his statements about Justice League. The only member that's be difficult to bring to life would be Wonder Woman.

Look guys, I've read some absolutely mind boggling reviews of The Avengers and I have rarely read such incredibly reviews about any movie. And we're not talking about Marvel fan boys going about their beloved movie, but about regular people that went in there not even caring but came out of the theater as FANS with full determination to watch the solo films that led up to The Avengers.
The last 30 minutes are described as being the most awesome sequence anyone has ever laid eyes on and that's not just in a comic book movie but the genre in general. And that's saying a lot considering how huge the Transformers movies were. since that's used as a reference to describe the scale of it.
What people (and they seem to be unanimous in this) are describing is basically movie magic at it's absolute finest. I just don't see how they WB can ever top this when they couldn't even make a good Green Lantern movie.
There is tremendous potential in a JL movie, but for that to ever happen they're going to need a Joss Whedon of their own, which they do not have, and do not even dare to suggest that Nolan is that guy. As far as I'm concerned, he's good, but overrated. His style just wouldn't fit the JL.

I really have my worries about how this will affect MOS, because every comic book movie will be compared to this one.

I, myself, have stated that Justice League doesn't fit Nolan's M.O. (doubt he would even consider joining the project), and I'd pick Cuaron or Jones or Blomkamp or Bird to helm the project instead.

Overrated? I know it's your opinion but when a director has a resume such as Nolan's (creating two pop-culture films back-to-back and grossing nearly two billion in the process), and when you have fellow peers and actors praising his methods and films, then you know he's a special talent.

 

[Showtime]

There was never talk about a CG suit. Jamie or Showtime said if anything one person said "How about a CG suit?" but it was never anything they seriously considered.

They were certainly throwing it around the boardroom at the time, that and an entirely CG Superman with a live action Clark. I think a site or two later reported on similar discussion.

 

[Mike22]

I, myself, have stated that Justice League doesn't fit Nolan's M.O. (doubt he would even consider joining the project), and I'd pick Cuaron or Jones or Blomkamp or Bird to helm the project instead.

Overrated? I know it's your opinion but when a director has a resume such as Nolan's (creating two pop-culture films back-to-back and grossing nearly two billion in the process), and when you have fellow peers and actors praising his methods and films, then you know he's a special talent.

It's not like I'm denying his talent, he IS talented, but the way people tend to reference him around here is basically like pure worship, and like he can do no wrong, and that alone tends to be extremely annoying. I have seen quite a few of his films and enjoyed them, but I honestly didn't care to much for his Batman movies. Sure they were good... for a one time viewing, at least for me. Begins is the better movie of the two, and as far as gross goes, I've said it before and I'll say it again, were it not for the highly unfortunate and untimely death of Ledger, TDK would not have made the money that it did.

 

[Dr.]

...were it not for the highly unfortunate and untimely death of Ledger, TDK would not have made the money that it did.

No doubt, it had some effect. But how substantial? Following your presumption, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus should have earned a few hundred million (it made $62M WW).

 

[HighFivingMF]

and as far as gross goes, I've said it before and I'll say it again, were it not for the highly unfortunate and untimely death of Ledger, TDK would not have made the money that it did.

Prove it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It irritates me, and I don't see the point to it.

The Nolan-Bashing as well.

Eh, the Nolan bashing doesn't bother me because it's offset by the constant worshiping that he receives.

 

[El Payaso]

No doubt, it had some effect. But how substantial? Following your presumption, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus should have earned a few hundred million (it made $62M WW).

But Mike 22 said that 'TDK without Ledger's death.' Dr. Parnassus is not TDK. It's the mix of everything that made it.

Now I defintely think it did affect the BO but even without that, a new Batman vs Joker movie would have put a**es on the seats no matter what.

 

[Micromind]

I think Whedon might blow a head gasket soon -

http://www.darkhorizons.com/feature...ers?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

he already is.

So, after Avengers, suddenly Joss Whedon is a better director than Nolan ?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

But Mike 22 that TDL without Ledger's death. Dr. Parnassus is not TDK. It's the mix of everything.

Now I defintely think it did affect the BO but even without that, a new Batman vs Joker movie would have put a**es on the seats no matter what.

How dare you bring common sense into that disagreement!!

 

[Lily Adler]

he already is.

So, after Avengers, suddenly Joss Whedon is a better director than Nolan ?

That's how the world works.

I'm ashamed at Whedon, I thought he played for both teams, but now I know, now I know...

 

[mclay18]

So, after Avengers, suddenly Joss Whedon is a better director than Nolan ?

No. I think they're pretty much even, in terms of directing skill and storytelling.