All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - Part 11

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  1. The Valeyard

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    To each his own, man.

    Even the trades reported the rumor that Diana could be Bruce's arm candy for the BvS film. My statement was referring to that.


    And they may not take that canon into account either. My point was that they're doing their own thing. There isn't a specific pattern they are required to conform to. So far, they went a very non-traditional route with Lois and Superman in MoS. I really doubt they'll suddenly go back to how it was done in the 90s comics.

    There was enough division at DC over the marriage to begin with.There were a lot of poor decisions made by DC in the 90s. I'm glad they finally got rid of it. The interviews with Didio, Lee and Morrison regarding the reasons why they disliked the marriage are quite interesting.


    Brilliant.
     
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    Doomsday seems a bit redundant.

    Zod and Superman already destroyed most of Metropolis once. Why destroy the city again?

    It does seem like a villain that Snyder would enjoy using though for the sake of fight scenes.
     
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  3. The Infernal

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    And how much complaining do you think there would be if they went with an original character as the main villain for Superman? Personally I think in that case adapting Doomsday into something more three dimensional than a plot device would be preferable to some nobody they just made up themselves.
     
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    @ The VAleyard- Yeah they could end it with Supes/Lois getting married as we haven't seen that on the big screen. I'm bored with you change the frikin tune.
     
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    They've done it in two live action mediums already. I don't think they're going with such a predictable, traditional route.

    Plus in MoS world where it's world history that Lois Lane was the one who knew who Superman was originally, it would seem really suspicious if she's legally married to the guy who looks exactly like him. Worked in the comics, would be really awkward in a live action film.
     
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  6. The Infernal

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    Regardless of what villain/threat they use for Superman in Superman/Batman I imagine there will be some form of destruction anyway. Maybe not to the extent of the fight between Zod and his invasion force, but probably substantial in its own way. I think some people just have to get over that concept.
     
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    I'll take next week's lottery numbers from you as well. Could do with it for christmas.

    Last of it from me on this. Ta-ra.
     
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    Funnily enough I was thinking to myself "what's the second one?" and after a while I remembered "Oh yeah. Smallville". Wonder why that was the one I forgot. lol

    Personally I think the bigger sell having Perry and co. not think Clark and Superman look awfully alike. If that can be accepted then I can't see anyone batting an eyelid at Lois and Clark being married or even just a couple (which is likely where they're headed at least considering MoS).
     
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    Thanks I was thinking of a reply and this sums ist up. Doomsday is a brute the thing he's famous is for is killing Supes. He's not a three dimensional character and it would be a waste if he's in the film and him not fighting and killing Superman.
     
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    What if Snyder subverted the 'Death of Superman' and it was more a breaking of Superman's spirit rather than an actual death?
     
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    Yeah, I think they should save Doomsday for a third film or a Justice League film (perhaps where Darkseid unleashes him as a weapon or something). Like Bane, Doomsday is a bit of a "final boss" when it comes to Superman.
     
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    I think the sequel will have Superman and Lois as an established couple, with them having got together prior to the events of the film. That way the relationship development won't take up focus.

    Clark however? It would be suspicious for Lois to be in an open relationship with Clark when everyone knows about her connection to Superman.

    It would undermine the whole point of the CK disguise.
     
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    Eh it needs focus you can't just shove it away to the corner and hope everything works out. Clark and Lois at the Daily planet investigating working as reporters and a fairly big chunk of the movie as well needs to be shown.

    As for the disguise and Lois relationship with Clark or Superman it's worked before and has been shown to work unless your new to the fandom and have no clue.
     
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    Except where's the development of Superman's spirit? If MOS and the sequel didn't build up his spirit, then what exactly are you breaking?

    That being said, it clearly shows that we have a long way before Doomsday can be introduced on-screen.
     
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    Agreed with Fallen Angel. The relationship does need some focus. Especially on the back of MoS where many people felt that there wasn't enough focus or time spent developing the relationship. I personally would also like to see some character moments between them as a couple.
     
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    I'd agree if this was a standalone Superman film, but the Batman presence throws it all into question.



    When did it work before?

    I'd laugh if you mentioned "Lois and Clark" the campy, cheesy TV series as proof of it being done. The one where Cain played Clark and Superman exactly the same.

    That show really shouldn't be the basis for anything logical.
     
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    Not entirely sure what you mean by your first line. I don't think I ever implied that MoS didn't build up his spirit. Also the sequel hasn't been filmed yet and it's impossible to say what Superman's development in the movie is. Plus from what I took of the conversation some of the speculation was what if they were to use Doomsday for this movie.
     
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    What I meant was, if you are going to subvert the Death of Superman storyline into breaking Superman's spirit, that presupposes that Superman had spirit to begin with. And I'm not sure that it's made evident in MOS. That being said, he needs a film to develop his spirit (via doing acts of providence in Metropolis, getting the Metropolis/world to trust him), before breaking it. Doomsday would be a perfect threequel villain in that case.
     
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    So I bought a deathstroke action figure today and really want either him or Deadshot for the batman villian
     
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    Not sure that's made evident? I'm pretty sure that's mostly the point of MoS. He's on his journey to become Superman. He doesn't know who or what he is until he finds out where he came from and what he's meant to do. Even with his anguish at killing Zod it's clear by the end he's found the path he's meant to be on. That seems pretty evident to me.

    I would probably go with Deathstroke over Deadshot myself. I feel he's more comparable to Batman. Would be an interesting challenge imo.
     
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    This is probably the only way I'd want to see the death story adapted. I don't think it could work on film without significant changes.
     
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    OK you have a point in the fact that he's one-dimensional. I dont think Snyder/Goyer will suddenly make him more of a character but i dont see why it has to follow canon. Why not do a swerve? Make most of us think he's going to kill Superman and then not do it? That's fresh. Or have him kill Superman (we think he's dead for a period of time whether that be in the movie or until the next) and then Superman comes back. There's no reason why you cant use the canon, use the idea, deal with it somewhat and then turn it on its head for this different medium.

    There is NO reason why they cant pull it off.

    But if they want to kill him off until the next film, then it's probably best that they leave Doomsday and that concept for several years from now. When they're doing a final Superman movie with Cavill.
     
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    Deadshot is boring. Go with Deathstroke.
     
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    Exactly Doomsday kills Superman and then you can do a variation of the Return ofSuperman maybe a little of Reign as well you can't fully adapt the storyline just the main points.

    If it's true though I still don't believe it.
     
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    I wonder if they'll ever get around to explaining the Kryptonian explorer craft and the empty hibernation pod? The prequel comic suggested it was Kara.
     
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