All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

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[Dark Raven]

Sadly that comparison is never going to go away, the "but it wasn't a high bar anyways" comment is going to be the subtle-jibe of choice from here on out.

Same with the acting standards placed on future movies, for some reason when it comes to the DCEU people want everyone to be a contemporary of DDL or Streep before their performance can be deemed good. Probably a consequence of being spoiled by the likes of Bale, Freeman and Caine from TDKT era.

Streep and DDL as WW and Steve Trevor.

 

[DeadPresident]

Streep and DDL as WW and Steve Trevor.

Anything else would clearly indicate WB simply don't care about the franchise

 

[Venom'sDad]

WW was surprisingly good. Cudos to Gal portrayal of Diana. By far, the best DC brand film w/o Nolan's name attached to it. There's hope yet, for the DCU.

 

[RedSon]

Gitesh Pandya @GiteshPandya
Huge $38.85M opening day for #WonderWoman. A grade from CinemaScore, 93% aud score on @RottenTomatoes. Wknd on track to reach about $101M.

 

[Dark Raven]

Is there any way WB can pretend that WW is the first movie of the DCEU and that the others don't exist?

Since this barely had any connections to the other DCEU movies, they could easily reboot this into a new continuity if we pretend that the other films didn't happen. Maybe we could say that those other films were just the way events were perceived through the insane eyes of Lex Luthor or the embittered eyes of Batman so that everything appeared darker and more hopeless than it actually was.

 

[Flemm]

I thought Gadot as Wonder Woman was a star-making sort of performance, a bit like Pratt as Star Lord, or maybe Hemsworth as Thor, though I think maybe even moreso.

These are movie star roles that are largely charisma-based.

 

[Web-Head]

I thought Gadot as Wonder Woman was a star-making sort of performance, a bit like Pratt as Star Lord, or maybe Hemsworth as Thor, though I think maybe even moreso.

These are movie star roles that are largely charisma-based.

Gal was great minus a couple scenes I wasn't a big fan of. Looking forward to seeing more of her come November.

 

[jfurioso]

I thought Gadot as Wonder Woman was a star-making sort of performance, a bit like Pratt as Star Lord, or maybe Hemsworth as Thor, though I think maybe even moreso.

These are movie star roles that are largely charisma-based.

The breakout charismatic performance in Thor was Hiddlestone far more than Hemsworth.

 

[harlequinade]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...e=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

So adorable

 

[mat-chow]

Is there any way WB can pretend that WW is the first movie of the DCEU and that the others don't exist?

Since this barely had any connections to the other DCEU movies, they could easily reboot this into a new continuity if we pretend that the other films didn't happen. Maybe we could say that those other films were just the way events were perceived through the insane eyes of Lex Luthor or the embittered eyes of Batman so that everything appeared darker and more hopeless than it actually was.

That's ridiculous. Clearly the DCEU is going to quickly move on from the embattled atmosphere of BVS, but it served a purpose, whether agreed with or not. Affleck and Cavill are our leading men and we can look forward to them being established as such moving forward. Hoping for the very best for these characters, and I think we are going to see it.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's amazing how they are practically the same but feel like different characters. Geoff Johns did not get WW at all when he first started writing her.

Spoiler

http://supercanaries.tumblr.com/post/161205558501/wonderswoman-they-did-that-they-really-did-that

 

[Flemm]

The breakout charismatic performance in Thor was Hiddlestone far more than Hemsworth.

By what criteria? Both performances were highly praised from the beginning, and both actors have seemingly benefited from succeeding in this type of high-impact, high-visibility sort of role.

I mentioned Thor because the role is fairly similar to WW in certain ways. The characters have a mythological element, there is some fish-out-of-water humor, the characters might seem hard to embody on paper, but both actors do it effortlessly, and so on.

This is a much better movie, but in terms of great casting, and the lead actor having an impactful, star-making role, it reminds me quite a bit of Marvel's movies.

 

[harlequinade]

Thor made Hiddleston and Hemsworth stars. Whether they are great actors is another issue entirely.

 

[jfurioso]

Oh, that Slate review...

I think Ebert once mentioned that one of the traditional appeal of the movies was seen beautiful people on big screens. It suppose that goes into conflict with certain ideological agendas that flare up at the notion that some people may have more appealing appearances than others.

Insert "I think he's kinda hot" reference here.

Sadly for those people wanting to create the forced egalitarian notion that looks cannot be assigned value, I doubt it is ever going to go away, and a review that shows its writer cannot get past the fact that the lead character is good looking and that is not going to be ignored in its particular context, shows perhaps an even more standing (and rather overwhelming) concern with looks than what is shown in the actual movie.

And well, just the way it states not being able to tell "the white Chrises" apart, is quite indicative. Not just the unnecessary calling out of ethnic appearance (um, again with that...) but also, really, does not being able to tells things apart in order to evaluate them seem rather part of what being a critic should be about?

 

[Willi Berg]

Gal Gadot didn't appear on The Graham Norton Show as planned. I think probably because she threw her back out and has already been on an extensive press tour.

 

[jfurioso]

It's amazing how they are practically the same but feel like different characters. Geoff Johns did not get WW at all when he first started writing her.

Spoiler

http://supercanaries.tumblr.com/post/161205558501/wonderswoman-they-did-that-they-really-did-that

I credit Patty for making a sequence that was cringe-worthy in its original form, suddenly work quite well. It is all about the right delivery.

 

[Jumpman]

Is there any way WB can pretend that WW is the first movie of the DCEU and that the others don't exist?

Since this barely had any connections to the other DCEU movies, they could easily reboot this into a new continuity if we pretend that the other films didn't happen. Maybe we could say that those other films were just the way events were perceived through the insane eyes of Lex Luthor or the embittered eyes of Batman so that everything appeared darker and more hopeless than it actually was.

Hell. No. Next question.

 

[Guts]

It's amazing how they are practically the same but feel like different characters. Geoff Johns did not get WW at all when he first started writing her.

Spoiler

http://supercanaries.tumblr.com/post/161205558501/wonderswoman-they-did-that-they-really-did-that

Geoff didn't write Justice League War but he did write the comic it was based on and she was less aggressive in the comic.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Gal Gadot didn't appear on The Graham Norton Show as planned. I think probably because she threw her back out and has already been on an extensive press tour.

Nah, Gal's not there because Tom Cruise didn't want anyone overshadowing him during the show.

 

[Dark Raven]

Gal Gadot didn't appear on The Graham Norton Show as planned. I think probably because she threw her back out and has already been on an extensive press tour.

We already knew ages ago that she cancelled her appearance on there. They cancelled the London Premiere in the wake of the Manchester attacks, and also the press tour. There was no reason for Gal to fly to the UK just to do a short segment on a talk show, especially when she had injured her back and there was nothing else to do in London.

 

[Zero_Effect]

Thor made Hiddleston and Hemsworth stars. Whether they are great actors is another issue entirely.

Did it? Chris Hemsworth hasn't had one hit outside of the Marvel movies. With huge bombs in In the Heart of the Sea (100M budget 93M ww) & Blackhat (70M budget & 19.7M ww)

 

[Black Hawk]

Happy Wonder Woman Day!

Bruce Wayne Reacts to Wonder Woman's Rotten Tomatoes Score
https://***********/AfricanRabbit/status/871007625478983681

 

[jfurioso]

By what criteria? Both performances were highly praised from the beginning, and both actors have seemingly benefited from succeeding in this type of high-impact, high-visibility sort of role.

I mentioned Thor because the role is fairly similar to WW in certain ways. The characters have a mythological element, there is some fish-out-of-water humor, the characters might seem hard to embody on paper, but both actors do it effortlessly, and so on.

This is a much better movie, but in terms of great casting, and the lead actor having an impactful, star-making role, it reminds me quite a bit of Marvel's movies.

While I think Hemsworth did well with a role that was not that easy to make work, Hiddlestone really stole the show. For many of the same reasons Nicholson overshadowed Keaton in the Burton movie. The role was "showier" and Hiddlestone took good advantage of it. There is a reason why he is the one popular recurring villain in Marvel films. Notice also how Hiddlestone made very celebrated singular appearances as Loki at high-profile events, while Hemsworth was just another face in cast panels and the like.