All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[harlequinade]

No one. If you believe that Tumblr post you're naive. That's it.

What a cynical and bitter thing to write, No one wants to see such ugliness here.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

What a cynical and bitter thing to write, No one wants to see such ugliness here.

I've seen a lot more cynical and ugly things on here tbh.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Question for those who know Wonder Woman better than I do and have seen the movie more than once. Can she fly? It's kind of inconclusive from what we saw in the film. I know that she's had that ability at times in the comics, but not all the time (hence the stupid invisible jet).

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Depends on the comic. I'm pretty sure she likes to fly in JL comics, but I don't recall her flying in the New 52. I don't keep up, so I'm saying it probably depends on the universe and storyline.

 

[Slade W]

Question for those who know Wonder Woman better than I do and have seen the movie more than once. Can she fly? It's kind of inconclusive from what we saw in the film. I know that she's had that ability at times in the comics, but not all the time (hence the stupid invisible jet).

She had a powerful leap, and could glide on air current from Wonder Woman #98 (which came out in 1958) onwards, but she could not fly until the Perez run, starting in 1987. In the Perez run, changes were made to her origin and she was born with the ability to fly. She was unable to fly in the new 52 until #12, where she was given the ability to fly, but she wasn't born with the ability.

 

[NotNickFury]

And I think she flew in the Justice League/Unlimited series as well.

 

[Ardyns]

And I think she flew in the Justice League/Unlimited series as well.

Yeah she did.
I think if the DCEU WW had flight capability they would have shown it in a lot more conspicuous way in her own movie. I'm okay with her not flying. It'd remain as Supes special trait.

 

[Flemm]

I think if the DCEU WW had flight capability they would have shown it in a lot more conspicuous way in her own movie.

They did. This version of Wonder Woman can definitely fly, though the ability only emerges gradually over the course of the movie, which has to do with practical considerations and the general theme that she hasn't fully developed her powers yet at this stage.

But the film doesn't leave any real doubt that she has the ability.

 

[jfurioso]

Does your nephew thinks Thor is stronger than Superman because he's a god?

I doubt so, because Hulk punked both he and Loki. Puny gods, really.

 

[metaphysician]

As per usual I see we want to re-litigate MOS and BvS in threads with even the most tangential relationship with them.

"The next movie in the DCEU" is hardly "tangential".

 

[Sleiek]

No one. If you believe that Tumblr post you're naive. That's it.

Why don't you go pray your upcoming movie makes that 1.2 billion?

 

[metaphysician]

Question for those who know Wonder Woman better than I do and have seen the movie more than once. Can she fly? It's kind of inconclusive from what we saw in the film. I know that she's had that ability at times in the comics, but not all the time (hence the stupid invisible jet).

It varies. I think she's been able to fly the whole time since Crisis on Infinite Earths ( barring the odd time that Wonder Woman was someone other than Diana, anyway ). Prior to that, she technically couldn't fly, but could "glide on air currents" in a way that was basically low grade flight for most of the pre-Crisis era. I think only in the Moulston era ( and the non-powered "super spy" period ) was she utterly lacking in aerial mobility. The shadow of Linda Carter does loom large, of course, with her budget-mandated lack of flight.

My read on the movie remains that, she can't actually fly; its either not part of her powerset, or at least something she's still centuries away from mastering. However, if she's juiced up on large amounts of ambient or absorbed magical power, she can do at least some levitation as a side effect. She also isn't limited to strict realism in her aerial agility while leaping, though how much that is "divine superpowers" and how much its "the setting isn't limited to realism" is up for grabs.

 

[metaphysician]

I doubt so, because Hulk punked both he and Loki. Puny gods, really.

Eh, he hardly "punked" Thor. They had an extended fight with both of them giving as good as they got, and with Thor handicapped in what he could actually do to fight back.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

"The next movie in the DCEU" is hardly "tangential".

Got it. I'm off to the Black Panther threads to go and debate the merits of THOR: THE DARK WORLD.

 

[Flemm]

Got it. I'm off to the Black Panther threads to go and debate the merits of THOR: THE DARK WORLD.

By this time in the MCU's evolution, more likely comparisons would be something like Winter Soldier or Doctor Strange, but people are going to compare these movies. Black Panther *will* be compared to other movies in the MCU.

Thor 1 has been brought up a number of times in this thread, along with First Avenger and even The Dark World on one occasion, around the time Wonder Woman was released.

I think the reason that something like Man of Steel is more likely to be litigated in a contentious way is not that the comparison doesn't make sense, but rather that it makes so much sense. It's the most obvious comparison to make.

Along with a few other origin stories.

The reception of the rest of the DCEU up to this point is still a touchy subject among fans, I get it. But one can hardly avoid making comparisons in discussions like this.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

I'm glad that Charles Roven cleared up the writing credits thing. http://theplaylist.net/producer-cha...atty-jenkins-no-credit-wonder-woman-20170601/

 

[Dark Raven]

The name Charles Roven doesn't sound like a modern person but more like one of the early writers or artists of Wonder Woman from the 1940s.

 

[Greenlite]

I'm glad that Charles Roven cleared up the writing credits thing. http://theplaylist.net/producer-cha...atty-jenkins-no-credit-wonder-woman-20170601/

So then one of the writers who didn't get the credit came out and wrote the letter about how WW is a mess

 

[Dark Raven]

What WGA rules are these that prevent her from getting a credit and why exactly is it that way?

 

[brandeezy89]

What WGA rules are these that prevent her from getting a credit and why exactly is it that way?

In the case of an original screenplay, the first writer must contribute more than 33% of the screenplay to receive "screenplay by" credit. Subsequent writers must contribute 50% of the screenplay to receive "screenplay by" credit, unless the subsequent writer is a "production executive" (a producer or director), who must contribute more than 50% of the screenplay to receive "screenplay by" credit.

It's always been that way

 

[Flemm]

I think that only a certain number of writers can get a credit (in this case one for the screenplay and three for the story), and I think that has to do with the percentage of the work that is attributed to them.

But that's complicated, because it's not just the number of words.

I guess Johns and Jenkins basically finished the script that we witness in the movie, but the earlier writers were considered to have done a high enough percentage of the work to get the credit.

The "&" is used to indicate that the two writers worked as a team, which allows for three story credits (there would normally only be two).

 

[Ardyns]

They did. This version of Wonder Woman can definitely fly, though the ability only emerges gradually over the course of the movie, which has to do with practical considerations and the general theme that she hasn't fully developed her powers yet at this stage.

But the film doesn't leave any real doubt that she has the ability.

Nah I'm not convinced. If memory serves right I saw her levitate in the air once and that's it. In every other instance she seemed to be leaping great distances like Doomsday did in BvS.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

By this time in the MCU's evolution, more likely comparisons would be something like Winter Soldier or Doctor Strange, but people are going to compare these movies. Black Panther *will* be compared to other movies in the MCU.

Thor 1 has been brought up a number of times in this thread, along with First Avenger and even The Dark World on one occasion, around the time Wonder Woman was released.

I think the reason that something like Man of Steel is more likely to be litigated in a contentious way is not that the comparison doesn't make sense, but rather that it makes so much sense. It's the most obvious comparison to make.

Along with a few other origin stories.

The reception of the rest of the DCEU up to this point is still a touchy subject among fans, I get it. But one can hardly avoid making comparisons in discussions like this.

Comparisons, fine... But what I was seeing was another round of back and forth over the film. One of the posters even admitted it would be best to take the convo to the appropriate threads.

 

[flickchick85]

KRYPTON is correct, you want to bring up comparisons of WW to the other DCEU films, that's fine, but the in-depth dissections of BvS and MoS belong on those respective boards, where they've been going on for ages now.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Nah I'm not convinced. If memory serves right I saw her levitate in the air once and that's it. In every other instance she seemed to be leaping great distances like Doomsday did in BvS.

Yeah, I think it's clear in the film that there was something [BLACKOUT]about Ares being around her and her physically reacting to his power in some way that brought out the "God Mode" in her, and thus the levitation and non-physical dispelling of his attacks. After he was gone though she descended back to the power level she was before. Now it was many years between that fight and the Doomsday battle in BvS and she is obviously much more exerienced and in control of her speed, strength ect. But in the DD fight she does not fly.
In fact if she had been able to I think between her and Supes it would have probably ended very different. [/BLACKOUT]