AMAZING Podcast review/discussion of MoS - Very long

Does it have people from both sides? Cause if its only from one side addressing issues that the other side have brought up, I'm not really interested in.

 

This film is proving to be very polarizing among the comic book community. You either love this film to death, or you are very chilly and cool towards it.

It seems like a writer/director are kind of free to portray Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Spiderman any way they wish without too much backlash, but if they don't get Superman right....? Yeeesh!

 

Because no one likes a ********** when it comes to discussions?

 

Cause usually when I listen to a discussion or debate on something I like for there to be someone to respond to whatever the other side says. Cause there's a chance no matter how thorough you are to miss something and no one is there to bring it up.

 

Strangely enough, you are right. The second film always seems to do better than the first. Superman II, Spidey 2, TDK, even Batman Returns. I wonder why that is? No origin story to muck up the story telling, just getting into the meat and potatoes?

Hopefully it will help MOS 2. Get right into a solid story without having to wonder how they will introduce Superman.

 

Ill be downloading this tonight love MMM

 

Well you didn't really nab me I download the show every week

 

I really don't think the approach was the problem though. I really don't. Dark, brooding, grounded, modern... whatever. None of that matters. What matters is whether the film is able to tell a compelling and engaging story. Had Snyder succeeded in that regard, I don't think we would be having this debate.

I believe most of the criticism stems from the belief that it just wasn't a competent film to begin with.

 

/\ but most of the negative reviews haven't really said that they've labelled the film as dark and brooding as their criticisms.

 

Are they really criticizing the film because it's dark and brooding though? A lot of movies are dark and brooding. It could just be a roundabout way of saying the film had no "life" in it. It felt empty. When you combine that with the pacing and the thin narrative, it's no wonder people aren't taking to this movie.

Batman Begins was dark and brooding but that movie had a little juice in it. There were moments of levity. It had a pulse. I'm not even a huge fan of that film either, I'm merely using it as a point of reference. At least that film had some semblance of a narrative. Man Of Steel was just all over the place.

 

MMM is a great podcast. Even though they all like MoS quite a bit more than I did, I always enjoy listening to what these guys have to say. They can talk superhero films like nobody's business.

 

Yeah but all I'm saying is that's what a lot of the reviews are saying so they've definitely found that to be a criticism of the film.

Man of Steel might have been all over the place to you but it wasn't to everyone. Personally I thought they did it better than Batman Begins did.

 

Well if that's the case then that's not a fair criticism. "It's not Donner" or "It's not my Superman" isn't a reason to hate the film.

However if that is what's happening, then perhaps this film didn't do enough to make people forget Donner's Superman. Perhaps if MOS had excited them and engaged them in such a way where they were completely engrossed in the experience, they might have had an easier time letting go.

 

Yes. Yes some are criticizing it for this. Hating it because it isn't Donner/Reeve is thin criticism. Is this point actually arguable?

I can get behind people questioning narrative choices, story structure, technical issues, whatever. Do not tell me Superman is supposed to be fun & light. This is a very narrow view of a character with a wide history.

What? What the hell does this even mean?

 

Great video so far... didn't finish it as it's very long but they have very good points in their podcast... More reason why i love MOS as is and cannot wait for the sequel.

 

Definately going to subscribe to this.

Disagree that the collateral damage in MoSis the Same in Avengers.
In Avengers there are like TWO buildings that get destroyed, in MoS it's a city block. Not comparable at all. I would say in Avengers hundreds died in MoS it's hundreds of thousands.

 

Listening now and about an hour in and I swear, these guys aren't really getting much if any points across. Might be just me but, it's like they're running around in circles over and over again with their discussion and it's really just not going anywhere for me. 15+ minutes just making sure people understand they're expressing their opinions about the movie in this roundtable discussion and that's it's ok not to like the movie if you have opinions that differ from theirs? These guys do this a lot?

As for the damage thing between Avengers and MoS I understand that the guy in the podcast is saying - which I do agree with - that in Avengers it's patently obvious to the point of seeing people still in the buildings (like the moments when Hulk is running directly through one of them with what appears to be everyone just working normally like nothing is happening) whereas in MoS we don't see that. After watching it several times so far I don't recall seeing people in any building after Zod's ship comes to town EXCEPT inside The Daily Planet and even then they refuse to leave until after the gravity pulses start. I guess I'd say that's a small issue since if some alien ship hovered over my city I'd damned sure be hauling ass to get outta wherever I happened to be and as far away from that point as possible.

 

I'll have to give this a listen. If you want to listen to two people with differing views, Kevin Smith takes the positive view against his friend Ralph on his "Fat Man on Batman podcast." It's the most recent episode. Probably a lot of the same conversations I would guess.

 

They really don't. It's mostly gigantic assumptions made regarding what the potential intent behind the plot was, but that doesn't really help. If you're going into a film, the idea is for there not to be plot holes that need a podcast to explain what was meant to happen. Most of Garman's criticism whilst hyperbolic was quite justified.