America Will Become a Social Democracy Change My Mind

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I believe the goal posts for what constitutes conservativism and liberalism is slowly shifting left each election cycle. As we see with progressive candidates getting more and more popular in the Democratic party, and the rise of millenial voters. I believe eventually we will develop in a form of Social Democracy where a universal healthcare plan is created with supplemental insurance to keep the private sector going will exist, and a form of free education will occur.
 
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Anything is possible given enough time. I think America is at a tipping point. Depending on who wins in 2020 will probably determine whether we become an autocratic republic first or a socialist democracy first. I also expect America to become a full monarchy if the country survives long enough. Then it will eventually swing back around to some sort of Democracy, Republic, or Federation.
 
I believe the goal posts for what constitutes conservativism and liberalism is slowing shifting left each election cycle. As we see with progressive candidates getting more and more popular in the Democratic party, and the rise of millenial voters. I believe eventually we will develop in a form of Social Democracy where a universal healthcare plan is created with supplemental insurance to keep the private sector going will exist, and a form of free education will occur.

Climate change is going to be so devastating we'll be lucky if America is still here in 20 years. We'll never get to the point of a social democracy.
 
Climate change is going to be so devastating we'll be lucky if America is still here in 20 years. We'll never get to the point of a social democracy.

That seems like hyperbole.
 
Climate change is going to be so devastating we'll be lucky if America is still here in 20 years. We'll never get to the point of a social democracy.
I have no idea of the time frame, but when the wildfires and hurricanes continue to build strength, when coastal flight and fresh water shortages become a thing, all bets are off and we're probably ****ed.
 
Yeah... I think these two things are true, but they fly in the face of each other:

It's true that we're generally evolving into a more egalitarian society, and there seems to be a natural move to things like universal education, healthcare, opportunity, etc. I think renewables and the ability to store power is really going to change the game. Imagine being able to own, generate, and share your own power.

It's also true though that our planet is sick. We are going to start dealing very soon with environments that leave resources more scarce, water less clean… potentially in some serious ways. If the Atlantic ocean changes a few degrees… oh boy, the fish population starts to shift, and things could get really harry from there.

So will we get to this Roddenberry-esque future where medical cures are freely given out, where things like homelessness and discrimination are wiped out, as greed and self interest slowly faze out of our lives?

…I’d love to believe so. But it does seem more likely that we’ll face massive changes in climate, agriculture, immigration, etc before then… and things are going to get worse before they get better. When resources start to dwindle, the otherization will get dialed up to ten. We’ll revert back to our animal nature - only concerned for ourselves and close family.
 
I don't know how you could look at the daily news of climate change and think it's hyperbole.

Because America isnt going to sink beneath the waves or boil in only 20 years. It's going to take more than the waters rising a few feet and temps rising a few degrees to destroy america and its government. It's too greedy and too stubborn.
 
Because America isnt going to sink beneath the waves or boil in only 20 years. It's going to take more than the waters rising a few feet and temps rising a few degrees to destroy america.

Waters rising a few feet? Say goodbye to your entire coastline, both east and west. Those people will flee to middle America and I can see a civil war brewing just because of that.
 
Because America isnt going to sink beneath the waves or boil in only 20 years. It's going to take more than the waters rising a few feet and temps rising a few degrees to destroy america and its government. It's too greedy and too stubborn.

Never said it would do those specific things, and if you think that's all that climate change is going to do, I suggest you do a little more research on the topic.
 
Waters rising a few feet? Say goodbye to your entire coastline, both east west. Those people will flee to middle America and I can see a civil war brewing just because of that.

America wastes more food and has more unsettled land than any other country aside from maybe Russia. Last I heard we throw away enough food to feed entire countries. We'll throw away less food and settle more land. And coastlines arent going to recede overnight. Businesses and homes will move with them as they slowly recede.

Frankly I think Canada and Mexico should be more worried. Because the way I figure it the American government and military wont go quietly into the night. If it thinks it can save the US by taking land and resources from Canada or Mexico it will do it. Even by total war if necessary and America waging total war is something neither Canada or Mexico have a hope in hell of defeating. But I think such a situation is more than 20 years away.
 
Never said it would do those specific things, and if you think that's all that climate change is going to do, I suggest you do a little more research on the topic.

I know about the super weather, massive forest fires, droughts, super bacteria, increases in current diseases etc. Its all things America can survive. It wont be pretty but I dont think we're looking at an apocalypse in the next 20 years.
 
Oh cool US invasion. **** that noise.
 
I know about the super weather, massive forest fires, droughts, super bacteria, increases in current diseases etc. Its all things America can survive. It wont be pretty but I dont think we're looking at an apocalypse in the next 20 years.
I truly hope you're right.
 
Because America isnt going to sink beneath the waves or boil in only 20 years. It's going to take more than the waters rising a few feet and temps rising a few degrees to destroy america and its government. It's too greedy and too stubborn.

Nah, just Florida.
 
Depends on a number of factors, but the 2020 Election will determine the general direction this country goes in for the next decade or more. If Trump is reelected, expect further degradation of our democracy resulting in economic instability and an ongoing lack of climate change policy changes. Eventually, the end result could see a more democratic socialist candidate win in 2024--if Trump doesn’t try changing the rules by then. However, if Harris, Sanders or Warren become the Democratic nominee and defeat Trump, expect the introduction of a host of progressive policies. Initially, these policies will probably be misconstrued by right-wing media groups and it will take more than a two-term president to be fully realized, but it’s doable. Ultimately, we’re at a breaking point--this isn’t being hyperbolic--and if we don’t take action on issues like the rising cost of living, healthcare, and complete disregard for our carbon footprint, we’re screwed.
 
Doesn't matter who is president we can all still recycle every week, buy electric cars and a wide variety of other things to reduce the issues the world faces. If your waiting on government to fix it your in the wrong room. Its not like if trump is elected again then all the sudden the day after tomorrow happens a couple months later. To get that bad it would take decades to a couple hundred years. I will admit 2012 and day after tomorrow were a good laugh from a scientific standpoint.
 
Some recycling is not going to stop climate catastrophe. It’s going to take massive government intervention, regulation, and spending.
 
Some recycling is not going to stop climate catastrophe. It’s going to take massive government intervention, regulation, and spending.


Intervention and regulation yes more spending though with our current debt no. Electric cars need to be more mass produced along with more charging stations so were less dependent on gas. Consumers need to see the electric cars as a cheaper alternative to gas. There are a lot of things that can be done outside of the government honestly.
 
Doesn't matter who is president we can all still recycle every week, buy electric cars and a wide variety of other things to reduce the issues the world faces. If your waiting on government to fix it your in the wrong room. Its not like if trump is elected again then all the sudden the day after tomorrow happens a couple months later. To get that bad it would take decades to a couple hundred years. I will admit 2012 and day after tomorrow were a good laugh from a scientific standpoint.

Most of our recycling is/was processed in China which has since banned a lot of the US plastic recycling programs. These recycled items are now being burned instead of reused which is causing a number of issues. Buying an electric vehicle is still nowhere near as affordable than a gas alternative. One of the biggest impacts that's overlooked or silenced by interest groups is the meat industry. Farm animal consumption is one of the leading causes of high rate carbon emissions. Frankly, this is the closes thing the average American can do to make a difference, but try telling them to reduce how much meat they consume and see what happens.

Relying on people and firms to make the best decisions for the planet is laughable. It should be the government's role to set standards and protocols for firms to follow and people to adhere to if we want to make the greatest impact.
 
Government participation and influence got people to collectively work together in WWII. It helped ban chemicals that was causing a hole in the O-Zone. This "Individuals and Capitalism" will fix it is a total Randian fantasy.
 
Intervention and regulation yes more spending though with our current debt no
If a killer asteroid was hurtling towards the Earth, would you say government shouldn't start spending to stop it because of "debt"?
 
Intervention and regulation yes more spending though with our current debt no. Electric cars need to be more mass produced along with more charging stations so were less dependent on gas. Consumers need to see the electric cars as a cheaper alternative to gas. There are a lot of things that can be done outside of the government honestly.

You're right that we need to transition people into electric cars and the best way to do that is by making them affordable. You do that through government subsidies though and through tax breaks. Money is everything. We need to be willing to invest, in order to transition into the clean energy marketplace.

If you are a deficit hawk, and you demand no new spending... then I have a decent place to find some of those funds. Let's take them away from the billions of dollars we are giving to artificially prop up the already successful fossil fuel energy.
 

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