American filmmaker sues Rumsfeld for two month detainment by US military.

[War Lord]

....?

He was found with bomb parts and he was let go after being vetted.

What's the story here again?

 

[sinewave]

He was found with bomb parts and he was let go after being vetted.

What's the story here again?

you were just proven wrong. nothing new, i'm afraid.

 

[jaguarr]

you were just proven wrong. nothing new, i'm afraid.

Yep. Being arrested in a taxi hardly qualifies as a "combat situation".

jag

 

[Addendum]

Since when is "potential bomb parts" ACTUAL bomb parts?

potential

• adjective having the capacity to develop into something in the future.

• noun 1 qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness. 2 (often potential for/to do) the possibility of something happening or of someone doing something in the future. 3 Physics the quantity determining the energy of mass in a gravitational field or of charge in an electric field.

— DERIVATIVES potentiality noun potentially adverb.

— ORIGIN Latin potentialis, from potentia ‘power’.

Note the use of the words "may be", "possibility", "something". That isn't concrete proof

 

[Truthteller]

I can guarantee one thing about Gitmo. If those 15,000 people that are being held without charge or trial for months or even years didn't have any problems with the U.S. prior to their arrest and incarceration, they do now...

Hey jag, maybe thats a typo - Even at its height there were only about 550 detainees at Gitmo. There are now less than 500. Far cry from 15 thousand!

In general those held at Gitmo are very bad individuals. Cut throats. Where mistakes have been made, those folks have been freed. Otherwise the vast majority of those left at Gitmo are indeed terrorists, and I'm glad they are being kept away from my family and friends. Good work USA.

I suspect that the film-maker in question was let go appropriately. But I also do not trust him to be telling the truth. He could be involved with the terrorist more than he would like us to know.

 

[War Lord]

you were just proven wrong. nothing new, i'm afraid.

I haven't been proven wrong. Being caught carrying bomb parts is no different than being in the battlefield.

 

[War Lord]

Hey jag, maybe thats a typo - Even at its height there were only about 550 detainees at Gitmo. There are now less than 500. Far cry from 15 thousand!

In general those held at Gitmo are very bad individuals. Cut throats. Where mistakes have been made, those folks have been freed. Otherwise the vast majority of those left at Gitmo are indeed terrorists, and I'm glad they are being kept away from my family and friends. Good work USA.

I suspect that the film-maker in question was let go appropriately. But I also do not trust him to be telling the truth. He could be involved with the terrorist more than he would like us to know.

He's probably not involved per se, but chances are being in a taxi cab that was coincidentally carrying bomb parts was not as coincidental as he's been trying to claim.

If I had to guess I'd say he was probably trying to get the terrorist side of the story and was on his way to get that story when he was pulled over.

 

[Truthteller]

sinewave, you like to take jabs at people that in essence are personal attacks. Stick to the facts.

 

[War Lord]

Since when is "potential bomb parts" ACTUAL bomb parts?

potential

• adjective having the capacity to develop into something in the future.

• noun 1 qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness. 2 (often potential for/to do) the possibility of something happening or of someone doing something in the future. 3 Physics the quantity determining the energy of mass in a gravitational field or of charge in an electric field.

— DERIVATIVES potentiality noun potentially adverb.

— ORIGIN Latin potentialis, from potentia ‘power’.

Note the use of the words "may be", "possibility", "something". That isn't concrete proof

They are potential bomb parts when they haven't been put together to form actual bomb parts.

 

[sinewave]

I haven't been proven wrong. Being caught carrying bomb parts is no different than being in the battlefield.

how so? he was riding in a vehicle of public transportation which happened to contain parts that could potentially be used to create a bomb. how was he putting himself in a position to attack anyone? you're really reaching here. i thought you didn't have any use for pride? why are you so scared to admit you're wrong then?

 

[Addendum]

And those parts have the potential to be used for something else.

It's only a bomb once you have a bomb

 

[sinewave]

sinewave, you like to take jabs at people that in essence are personal attacks. Stick to the facts.

which comments are you referring to?

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Being in a cab with potential bomb parts should not warrant a two month stay in Gitmo if he was innocent. Also where were the bomb parts? In the trunk? Front seat? Right next to the guy? If they were right next to the guy, then something fishy is going on. In the trunk or next to the cab driver, I'd say check the guy's credentials, if he checks out let him go on his way. Doesn't seem like we're getting the full story here.

 

[Truthteller]

which comments are you referring to?

Comments like this, where you essentially are just attacking somebody personally without adding anything to the discussion.

you were just proven wrong. nothing new, i'm afraid.

I know that there is a lot of joking poking fun between friends here at SHH. And if you and War Lord are friends and thats what it is then fine.

I've noticed it before is all.

 

[souloffire]

Note the use of the words "may be", "possibility", "something". That isn't concrete proof

What's the matter with you? There's a war going on where people are getting killed. How many times do you turn on the TV or read a paper and one of the stories is about a car bomb going off in Iraq killing Americans are allies and civillians and you write this crap.

 

[jaguarr]

Hey jag, maybe thats a typo - Even at its height there were only about 550 detainees at Gitmo. There are now less than 500. Far cry from 15 thousand!

"Human rights monitors note that the vast majority of the over 15,000 detainees in U.S. military custody in Iraq have never been charged, tried, provided counsel, or allowed to challenge their detention in court, and over one-fifth of them have been detained for over a year in this manner," the suit states.

In general those held at Gitmo are very bad individuals. Cut throats. Where mistakes have been made, those folks have been freed. Otherwise the vast majority of those left at Gitmo are indeed terrorists, and I'm glad they are being kept away from my family and friends. Good work USA.

Even though they're not U.S. citizens (mostly), they deserve due process as much as anyone else. If they're terrorists and we have hard proof of that, hang 'em high and put their head on a pike to serve as a warning to others. If they aren't or their isn't sufficient evidence to convict, then cut them loose. And, no, I'm not fond of the idea that anyone who might be a terrorist be set free, but indefinite incarceration without charges or fair trial is ridiculous. Particularly when it's being done by the country I live in and love who touts freedom above all else. It's hypocritical and unfair, not to mention the conditions of the prison and the abuse that is done to these detainees is deplorable.

I suspect that the film-maker in question was let go appropriately. But I also do not trust him to be telling the truth. He could be involved with the terrorist more than he would like us to know.

Anyone could be more involved with the terrorists than they would like us to know, though. When we start infringing upon human rights and freedoms in the NAME of human rights and freedoms, it becomes very hypocritical and counter-productive IMHO.

jag

 

[War Lord]

how so? he was riding in a vehicle of public transportation which happened to contain parts that could potentially be used to create a bomb. how was he putting himself in a position to attack anyone? you're really reaching here. i thought you didn't have any use for pride? why are you so scared to admit you're wrong then?

That's quite the coincidence, that out of all possible cabs in Iraq, that he happened to be one that had bomb parts. I didn't say that he was putting himself in a position to attack anybody. As I said, he was probably on his way to film the insurgent story and the cab was delivering parts to them.

I'm quite happy to admit that I'm wrong when I find myself in the position. I'm really humble you know.

 

[sinewave]

Comments like this, where you essentially are just attacking somebody personally without adding anything to the discussion.I know that there is a lot of joking poking fun between friends here at SHH. And if you and War Lord are friends and thats what it is then fine.

I've noticed it before is all.

i've seen far worse on here without so much as a peep from mods. if that was a warning it seems unwarranted.

 

[War Lord]

Comments like this, where you essentially are just attacking somebody personally without adding anything to the discussion.I know that there is a lot of joking poking fun between friends here at SHH. And if you and War Lord are friends and thats what it is then fine.

I've noticed it before is all.

We're not friends. If you want to punch him, I won't stand in your way.

 

[Truthteller]

Being in a cab with potential bomb parts should not warrant a two month stay in Gitmo if he was innocent. Also where were the bomb parts? In the trunk? Front seat? Right next to the guy? If they were right next to the guy, then something fishy is going on. In the trunk or next to the cab driver, I'd say check the guy's credentials, if he checks out let him go on his way. Doesn't seem like we're getting the full story here.

I'm sure we are not. Particularly I think from the "film-maker" - sounds like a cover story.

We have seen it before, in fact al Queada instructs their agents to lie about how they are treated and what their role is. I'm sure that if he is an al Queada sympathizer, he's not going to admit it.

He was picked up on a battlefield during the course of a war. I suspect there was good cause. If he has been freed now then good for him. He must have checked out. He certainly has no legal recourse against the Secretary of Defense. That would be ridiculous.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

That's quite the coincidence, that out of all possible cabs in Iraq, that he happened to be one that had bomb parts. I didn't say that he was putting himself in a position to attack anybody. As I said, he was probably on his way to film the insurgent story and the cab was delivering parts to them.

I'm quite happy to admit that I'm wrong when I find myself in the position. I'm really humble you know.

so then, again, and for clarity.

riding in a cab = combat situation


...?

 

[sinewave]

That's quite the coincidence, that out of all possible cabs in Iraq, that he happened to be one that had bomb parts. I didn't say that he was putting himself in a position to attack anybody. As I said, he was probably on his way to film the insurgent story and the cab was delivering parts to them.

I'm quite happy to admit that I'm wrong when I find myself in the position. I'm really humble you know.

admit it then, being in a cab with potential bomb parts is no where close to being on the battlefield, therefore your statement that everyone at gitmo was captured on the battlefield is wrong.

 

[sinewave]

We're not friends. If you want to punch him, I won't stand in your way.

It hurts me to hear you say that, pumpkin.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm sure we are not. Particularly I think from the "film-maker" - sounds like a cover story.

We have seen it before, in fact al Queada instructs their agents to lie about how they are treated and what their role is. I'm sure that if he is an al Queada sympathizer, he's not going to admit it.

He was picked up on a battlefield during the course of a war. I suspect there was good cause. If he has been freed now then good for him. He must have checked out. He certainly has no legal recourse against the Secretary of Defense. That would be ridiculous.

a man who is going to make a film about human rights is in all probability NOT an Al-Quaeda sympathizer.

 

[bored]

That's quite the coincidence, that out of all possible cabs in Iraq, that he happened to be one that had bomb parts. I didn't say that he was putting himself in a position to attack anybody. As I said, he was probably on his way to film the insurgent story and the cab was delivering parts to them.

I'm quite happy to admit that I'm wrong when I find myself in the position. I'm really humble you know.

If you were really humble, you wouldn't be saying you were. It's contradictory.

Btw, you WERE proven wrong about something (the filmmaker being caught in a 'battlefield situation' or however it was you phrased it), and you gave a lame excuse for it when it was pointed out.