Andor General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Kane52630]

 

[Kane52630]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How to heal a nation:

 

[Sithborg]

The viewership data for this is interesting. Failed to chart on Luminate, which just tracks minutes watched, on the first Tue-Sat, but then the next week, hits #3. So, I think the three episode a week is leading to more weekend binges.

 

[Drizzle]

The viewership data for this is interesting. Failed to chart on Luminate, which just tracks minutes watched, on the first Tue-Sat, but then the next week, hits #3. So, I think the three episode a week is leading to more weekend binges.

Makes sense. At least for those of us on the east coast, binging three hours of TV starting at 9 PM on a weeknight can be tough. Even moreso if you only have D+ with ads since that adds almost an extra 20 minutes if you're watching all three the same night. Nevertheless, I'm planning on powering through for the final three episodes when they drop on the 13th.

 

[Pennywise]

'Andor' creator reveals scrapped K-2SO 'horror movie' episode

'Andor' creator Tony Gilroy reveals scrapped K-2SO 'horror movie' episode and explains why the initial origin story ultimately did not happen.

ew.com

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Work is still making me lag behind on Andor but now that I'm caught up on the last two weeks' worth of episodes the show really got going after the uneven first arc. It's really firing on all cylinders now and finally we see more of the titular character actually being part of the really important plots, which was what this season needed to bring after how the first one ended. I'm loving this and I'm glad this show and Rogue One are tied to the OT since that is the modern "trilogy" that deserves to be talked about like the OT was. It elevates the OT like anything Star Wars should (unless entirely unrelated), unlike the sequel trilogy that did the opposite.

A very minor thing that I felt was a bit odd though were the KX droids on Ghorman. They seemed as invincible as the Dark Trooper droids in The Mandalorian, which is odd since in Rogue One one gets destroyed with a single blaster shot, and while K2 takes more due to the heroic last stand but he's clearly hurt by each shot.

 

[Breogan]

Didn't think it was possible, yet they made the end of R1, even more tragic.

This show by design was much bigger than Andor, while I loved his arc, and what it showed us through him specifically, right to the end.
It could have been called Star Wars: AXIS.
As Luthen and what he helped incite, which Andor would attest to, was the main continuous line, around which everything and everyone else rotated. (whether they knew it or not, on both sides).

He was the [flawed] yet human response, to the other extreme, the physicall axis they are building around, and towards [which also contains it's ultimate flaw].

Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction. Random acts of insurrection are occurring constantly throughout the galaxy. There are whole armies, battalions that have no idea that they’ve already enlisted in the cause.
... The frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
...The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
... The day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empires’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Drizzle]

I just finished watching Rogue One for the first time since before even Andor S1 came out and I gotta say, I feel more or less the same as I always have about it: An okay first half that later picks up with a strong third act. The only difference this time around is that now that we know Cassian's backstory it softens my biggest issue with the movie just a little bit, which is that we don't really get to know the characters. While it doesn't fix it, I did find myself more invested in Cassian and Krennic this time. Same for K2 but to a lesser extent because I've always liked the character.

 

[Sithborg]

I am curious what the plan is for emmy nominations. Because Male lead is I am pretty certain all set. And the way the show is structured makes lead and supporting interesting, unless there are some guild guidelines.

 

[BoredGuy]

Makes sense. At least for those of us on the east coast, binging three hours of TV starting at 9 PM on a weeknight can be tough. Even moreso if you only have D+ with ads since that adds almost an extra 20 minutes if you're watching all three the same night. Nevertheless, I'm planning on powering through for the final three episodes when they drop on the 13th.

Yeah, D+ with ads is a killer
So many damn commercials

 

[henzINNIT]

Excellent. No notes really.

I just finished watching Rogue One for the first time since before even Andor S1 came out and I gotta say, I feel more or less the same as I always have about it: An okay first half that later picks up with a strong third act. The only difference this time around is that now that we know Cassian's backstory it softens my biggest issue with the movie just a little bit, which is that we don't really get to know the characters. While it doesn't fix it, I did find myself more invested in Cassian and Krennic this time. Same for K2 but to a lesser extent because I've always liked the character.

The score in Rogue One was unbearable after watching Andor. Jin's character and arc feels weaker than ever too. Cassian himself benefits so much from the extra material though.

There's a fan edit that edits and rescores Rogue One into a trilogy of Andor episodes. I'm keen to check that out, though it is being revised now the show has wrapped up.

 

[Drizzle]

Yeah, D+ with ads is a killer
So many damn commercials

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't the same ones over and over again.

The score in Rogue One was unbearable after watching Andor. Jin's character and arc feels weaker than ever too. Cassian himself benefits so much from the extra material though.

There's a fan edit that edits and rescores Rogue One into a trilogy of Andor episodes. I'm keen to check that out, though it is being revised now the show has wrapped up.

I like Giacchino's Rogue One score but Britell and Brandon Roberts' work on Andor is perfection.

Does the fan edit incorporate deleted scenes?

 

[henzINNIT]

Does the fan edit incorporate deleted scenes?

I don't think there are any, or any that were released anyway.

 

[Drizzle]

I don't think there are any, or any that were released anyway.

Interesting. I could have sworn there were some on the Blu-ray but I guess I'm thinking of the trailer shots that didn't make the final cut.

 

[henzINNIT]

Interesting. I could have sworn there were some on the Blu-ray but I guess I'm thinking of the trailer shots that didn't make the final cut.

Yeah there were loads of trailer shots that didn't make it, and probably all sorts of deleted scenes considering all those reshoots. Nothing made the home release though.

 

[Pennywise]

Andor Showrunner Explains Why He Dropped A Planned Princess Leia Cameo

Now we know why Leia wasn't in Andor season 2!

screenrant.com

 

[Still Wynning]

I am curious what the plan is for emmy nominations. Because Male lead is I am pretty certain all set. And the way the show is structured makes lead and supporting interesting, unless there are some guild guidelines.

These are the possible guesses right now off the top of my head and what category they’ll probably be put into:

Spoiler

Lead Actor in a Drama Series

-Diego Luna (duh)
-Stellan Skarsgard (this is arguably his show as much as it is Luna’s, O’Reilly’s and Gough’s)

Lead Actress in a Drama Series

-Genevieve O’Reilly (no brainer)
-Denise Gough (Dedra is absolutely one of the main driving forces of the show)

Supporting Actor in a Drama Series

-Kyle Soller
-Muhannad Bhaier
-Robert Emms
-Anton Lesser
-Ben Mendelsohn
-Richard Sammel as Carro Rylanz (he at least deserves to be nominated, because, holy s**t, for a guest appearance, he really brought it, especially in episode 8)

Supporting Actress in a Drama Series

-Adria Arjona
-Elizabeth Dalau
-Faye Marsay
-Varada Sethu

Guest Actress in a Drama Series

-April Woods as Young Kleya (this little actress commanded the screen every time in every scene she was in and is a star in the making. She deserves the nomination)

The score in Rogue One was unbearable after watching Andor. Jin's character and arc feels weaker than ever too. Cassian himself benefits so much from the extra material though.

There's a fan edit that edits and rescores Rogue One into a trilogy of Andor episodes. I'm keen to check that out, though it is being revised now the show has wrapped up.

I like Giacchino's Rogue One score but Britell and Brandon Roberts' work on Andor is perfection.

Yeah, these two things really did stick out a whole lot more on my recent rewatch.

For the kind of tone that Rogue One is trying to set, Michael Giacchino’s score feels so out of place and too bombastic and just doesn’t work. Even when I first watched the film almost 10 years ago I thought that, and the score for Andor just make that even more apparent. The film score sounds way too traditional, and Rogue One is not a traditional Star Wars. If Nicholas Britell was somehow able to go back in time and redo the entire score for that film, I would really love that.

All of the context we get from Andor really does make Jin’s writing stick out like a sore thumb. I was watching Reel Rejects’ reaction of the film, and Greg mentioned that it does feel like her arc is missing a beat when she switches from nihilistic to hopeful, something I’ve always thought. I think making her less passive and a bit more proactive earlier on and adding maybe about 10 to 15 minutes in between when her father dies and she gives the inspirational speech to everyone at the meeting could’ve gone a really long way in fixing that issue.

For the longest time, I could never quite pinpoint my issue with the film, but, having watched all of Andor, I’ve figured out what it is. It’s the runtime and pacing. It really needed to be a TV show. There’s so much that it wants to do and say that a film runtime doesn’t allow for, and having it as a limited series would have solved so many of those issues. Seeing all of the stuff with the Partisans. Getting more Tivik before his demise. More background on Jedha. More time with the core group together to build their camaraderie and bond. More runtime of Jyn, with her father, with Saw, in the prison, getting debriefed by Mon Mothma/General Draven/Cassian, her motivations. Galen’s background, his relationship with Jyn, his work on Eadu up to his tragic death. More time spent at the council meeting and build up to Scariff. More time on Scariff. Expand on all the stuff that we have, only hear of and let everything just breathe and take it’s time a bit more.

I realiy want to check out that Andor Cut of Rogue One when it’s done and see if the changes that are made help at all. I just watched a couple clips of the Andor: Rogue One Arc Edit someone else did, and switching out the original score for Nicholas Britell’s really does change the vibe and make a huge difference. I can only imagine what an edit made with the context of the completed series would be like.

 

[Drizzle]

For the kind of tone that Rogue One is trying to set, Michael Giacchino’s score feels so out of place and too bombastic and just doesn’t work. Even when I first watched the film almost 10 years ago I thought that, and the score for Andor just make that even more apparent. The film score sounds way too traditional, and Rogue One is not a traditional Star Wars. If Nicholas Britell was somehow able to go back in time and redo the entire score for that film, I would really love that.

I agree with this 100%. I like it overall and there are some good themes in there but it doesn't fit the tone. I'm fond of the main theme that plays with the title card but it would fit in more as a theme for something lighter like Skeleton Crew or Solo, just using them as examples. There are certain musical cues that hit better than others, mainly in the final moments of the film with the Death Star firing on Scarif and Vader massacring the rebels.

I actually forgot that Giacchino replaced Alexandre Desplat in post and he only had four weeks to work on it. All things considered, it probably would have been better if he was given more time but I still think that when listened to on its own, the Rogue One score has some good stuff in there.

 

[Drizzle]

And speaking of tone, it's wildly amusing to me that something as adult-oriented as Andor ended up getting more action figure representation than The Rise of Skywalker.

 

[Still Wynning]

I agree with this 100%. I like it overall and there are some good themes in there but it doesn't fit the tone. I'm fond of the main theme that plays with the title card but it would fit in more as a theme for something lighter like Skeleton Crew or Solo, just using them as examples. There are certain musical cues that hit better than others, mainly in the final moments of the film with the Death Star firing on Scarif and Vader massacring the rebels.

I actually forgot that Giacchino replaced Alexandre Desplat in post and he only had four weeks to work on it. All things considered, it probably would have been better if he was given more time but I still think that when listened to on its own, the Rogue One score has some good stuff in there.

Just as an example of what I’m talking about, here’s this video from a couple years ago where someone took the part of the film from when the shield gate is destroyed up until when Jyn and Cassian die, but replaced with the Narkina-5 prison escape music:



It’s amazing how one little change can make such a big difference in dictating the feel and tone of a scene like that. I’ve always been fascinated by this sort of thing.

Would’ve been nice if they had the forethought when they made the movie. But, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

I just finished watching Rogue One for the first time since before even Andor S1 came out and I gotta say, I feel more or less the same as I always have about it: An okay first half that later picks up with a strong third act. The only difference this time around is that now that we know Cassian's backstory it softens my biggest issue with the movie just a little bit, which is that we don't really get to know the characters. While it doesn't fix it, I did find myself more invested in Cassian and Krennic this time. Same for K2 but to a lesser extent because I've always liked the character.

Yeah I actually couldn't agree with this more. Before Season 2 finished I hadn't watched Rogue One since it first came out and while it was slightly better for me on a second viewing I still can't say that it's a great film IMO. I still have problems with the first half especially the editing which is super messy and jarring at times but man is that third act a banger.

Easily the best part of the film and I definitely found myself more invested in it this time around since I know more about Cassian as a character and K2 is still the highlight of the movie for me but it just doesn't have the same sauce that Andor was cooking with and now it's even more apparent than ever.

It's a good movie overall but Andor is on an entirely different level and as much as I hate to say it I also thought Ben Mendelssohn and Forest Whitaker were not done proper justice in that movie either.

Krennic is a far more sinister villain in Andor and I definitely got a better grasp of Saw Gerrera as a character in Andor as well.

 

[Sithborg]

I do like the idea that Krennic is more intimidating in Andor because of big fish, small pond syndrome. Yeah, he can throw his weight around against ISB Supervisors and various other mid-high level imps. But against Tarkin, Vader, and the Emperor? lol

 

[Pennywise]

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