The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man!

[flickchick85]

Fixed.

I would get all indignant over that, but I haven't read All-Star Batman, so that could be good too, lol.

 

[Gianakin_]

I suggest you get indignant.

 

[flickchick85]

Wait...is this All-Star Batman & Robin we're talking about? Written by Frank Miller? If so, screw "indignant," I'm downright offended.

 

[Gianakin_]

 

[Lei D Loki]

I actually found this Parker quite likeable and believable. He acted like what I would expect a 17 year old would act. I like that this Parker was shown "growing up" from immature self absorbed teen to a responsible superhero. I have no issues with him possibly breaking up his promise to Stacy. It showed to me that he is not perfect.

 

[Green Goblin]

Thought he broke the promise in the comics lol

 

[Loki882]

Peter breaks his promises in the comics quite frequently, it's part of his character. He broke them repeatedly in the Raimi films. I'm not sure why everyone is making a big deal of it this time, he's done it before.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Maybe some people don't like change, that's why. (Change from tobey). That's probably a huge reason. That version they love is stuck in their heads.

 

[Loki882]

Plus, this is 17 year old Peter just starting out. 28 year old established comic book Peter who's been SM for years STILL breaks his promises a lot.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Peter breaks his promises in the comics quite frequently, it's part of his character. He broke them repeatedly in the Raimi films. I'm not sure why everyone is making a big deal of it this time, he's done it before.

Yeah, I don't get why the broken promise in TASM is getting so much hate. I guess its because its the last line of the film and it stands out a lot more.

 

[Loki882]

Captain Stacy's promise wasn't fair anyway. Gwen is almost an adult and intelligent. If she makes the choice to be with Peter knowing the danger, then that's her decision (as we know there will be consequences to that choice). People keep acting like this is all Peter's fault, but Gwen has a say in it as well.

 

[Picard Sisko]

What was Peter going to say to Captain Stacy? "Sorry, I know you are about to die, but I can't promise you that?" He was basically put on the spot.

He is still a kid, and is learning responsibility, and I'm sure Peter feels conflicted inside. On the one hand, he doesn't want to break Captain Stacy's dying wishes, on the other, he does not want to give up his girlfriend. Making the right choice is not easy. Its not so black and white. We know he ultimately decided to keep Gwen, and at some point, that decision is going to come with an inevitable consequence.

 

[Loki882]

Gwen also kind of guilted him during that porch scene, so she wasn't exactly passive in the matter (she wasn't passive at all in the film, which I loved).

 

[Shikamaru]

I see that the "Peter is an *** because he didn't keep his promise" argument has resurfaced. I still don't understand all the crap Peter gets for not keeping his promise.

A friend of mine wrote the following. He is defending Peter's decision at the end with the same arguments I've been using on this site but does a much better job than me at explaining it and getting straight to the point:

Here’s a question: why is it that Tobey’s Peter could be with MJ because she CHOSE it in SM2, but in TASM even though Gwen WANTS to be with him, KNOWS his secret, and KNOWS the dangers that come with it… she’s not allowed that same happiness? How is it somehow more responsible to leave her to fend for herself in the wake of her father’s death? How does that make him less of an ass? No one ever explains this at all.

I mean yeah, her dad wanted that. That’s nice. Does that make every guy who ever dated a girl whose dad didn’t like him an ass? Should he have dumped her because daddy’s not fond of him? The daughter has no say? Is this the 1950s?

And furthermore, how exactly is he a “horrible person" throughout? He saves a kid’s life even at the risk of revealing himself, he got in harm’s way when he didn’t need to, he made a choice to go after the Lizard and protect people BEFORE he knew it was Curt Connors (or do people forget the scene on the bleachers ever happened?) and the best part: this comes after his selfish endeavor to only go for crooks that bore resemblance to the guy that killed Uncle Ben.

Know what that right there is? A CHARACTER ARC. What did he learn? RESPONSIBILITY. And the next movie’s official synopsis even refers to the fact that what her father says to him still weighs on his mind. Know what that might be called? AN ONGOING CHARACTER ARC.

Like seriously people, y’all act like Peter pretends his human side doesn’t exist. Like what, after Gwen’s death in the comics, should he not have stayed away from Mary Jane? Would that not have been the “responsible" thing to do? To simply break himself free of any unnecessary attachment so no one else would get hurt? Is this what you expect?

Best get angry with Stan Lee and Gerry Conway then, because they thought otherwise.

Like seriously people, what the actual frig do you want from him, because whatever you seem to recall having read is DEFINITELY NOT SPIDER-MAN.

This movie was directed by a man who grew up reading the comics, who can name the issue in which obscure, oft-forgotten things in the comics happened, who also included references in this film to Spidey comics half of everyone’s never read. (Untold Tales of Spider-Man #1 comes to mind with his conversation with Captain Stacy.) I think it’s pretty safe to say he gets him.

Source: http://theultradork.tumblr.com/post/54564397159/spider-man-rant-time

I bolded the part that I want people to reflect on the most. Put yourself in Gwen's shoes, fellas. Pretend as if moments prior to your mother's death, your mother told your girlfriend to stay away from you because she believes you will not be safe around her or be able to handle the rough times that will come with being with her. Your girlfriend promises to do so, breaks up with you, and stays away from you. How would you feel? Would you feel happy at your mother? Or would you feel offended and/or disgusted because she thought she could make such a decision for you and believed you couldn't make such decisions for yourself?

 

[Green Goblin]

MJ choose Peter too. I think it's just that he broke a dead man's vow.

 

[Gianakin_]

I, for one, would've been MUCH more interested in Webb's Peter if he had actually said "No, I can't" to a dying Captain Stacy. The writers did the first obvious mistake by having Stacy tell Peter NOT to be with Gwen, they could've at least amended it by having Peter defy him.

Then, the consequences of what happens in TASM2 would be seen in a more interesting light, imo.

 

[Green Goblin]

Stan Lee has just said he thinks Garfield is the better PP/SM!

 

[Picard Sisko]

I see that the "Peter is an *** because he didn't keep his promise" argument has resurfaced. I still don't understand all the crap Peter gets for not keeping his promise.

A friend of mine wrote the following. He is defending Peter's decision at the end with the same arguments I've been using on this site but does a much better job than me at explaining it and getting straight to the point:



Source: http://theultradork.tumblr.com/post/54564397159/spider-man-rant-time

I bolded the part that I want people to reflect on the most. Put yourself in Gwen's shoes, fellas. Pretend as if moments prior to your mother's death, your mother told your girlfriend to stay away from you because she believes you will not be safe around her or be able to handle the rough times that will come with being with her. Your girlfriend promises to do so, breaks up with you, and stays away from you. How would you feel? Would you feel happy at your mother? Or would you feel offended and/or disgusted because she thought she could make such a decision for you and believed you couldn't make such decisions for yourself?

This was beautiful.

 

[Lei D Loki]

I don't know. I don't think that vow scene was a mistake. I think this was another character development moment. Later Gwen confronted him and made him fight for her. Peter now has to decide what's best for everyone. Whether we agree with his decision or not, it does not matter. Whatever his decision now will have consequences he will have to face in the future. And this is what's great about this movie. I am looking forward to what happens next.

I don't understand why some people thinks the character development in this movie is all over the place.

Another thing I enjoyed about this film is Gwen. I usually am indifferent to female leads. I love that Gwen is strong, smart, and challenges Peter. Gwen is really one of the best female characters in a superhero movie so far.

 

[Gianakin_]

It's because Peter's "wants" are all over the place.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't know. I don't think that vow scene was a mistake. I think this was another character development moment. Later Gwen confronted him and made him fight for her. Peter now has to decide what's best for everyone. Whether we agree with his decision or not, it does not matter. Whatever his decision now will have consequences he will have to face in the future. And this is what's great about this movie. I am looking forward to what happens next.

I don't understand why some people thinks the character development in this movie is all over the place.

Another thing I enjoyed about this film is Gwen. I usually am indifferent to female leads. I love that Gwen is strong, smart, and challenges Peter. Gwen is really one of the best female characters in a superhero movie so far.

 

[Lei D Loki]

It's because Peter's "wants" are all over the place.

Please elaborate.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I see that the "Peter is an *** because he didn't keep his promise" argument has resurfaced. I still don't understand all the crap Peter gets for not keeping his promise.

A friend of mine wrote the following. He is defending Peter's decision at the end with the same arguments I've been using on this site but does a much better job than me at explaining it and getting straight to the point:



Source: http://theultradork.tumblr.com/post/54564397159/spider-man-rant-time

I bolded the part that I want people to reflect on the most. Put yourself in Gwen's shoes, fellas. Pretend as if moments prior to your mother's death, your mother told your girlfriend to stay away from you because she believes you will not be safe around her or be able to handle the rough times that will come with being with her. Your girlfriend promises to do so, breaks up with you, and stays away from you. How would you feel? Would you feel happy at your mother? Or would you feel offended and/or disgusted because she thought she could make such a decision for you and believed you couldn't make such decisions for yourself?

All of this.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

In the midst of all of Peter's happenings, the promise just adds to the Peter dramas that we all know in the comics. He's battling human feelings.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I, for one, would've been MUCH more interested in Webb's Peter if he had actually said "No, I can't" to a dying Captain Stacy. The writers did the first obvious mistake by having Stacy tell Peter NOT to be with Gwen, they could've at least amended it by having Peter defy him.

Then, the consequences of what happens in TASM2 would be seen in a more interesting light, imo.

Nah. Capt Stacy never should have made that remark in the first place. I get what he was/is trying to do--he's looking out for his daughter's best interests, like any good father would do. However, it would have been better for Capt Stacy to say "keep my daughter safe."

IMO, it would have been worse for Peter to tell Capt Stacy, "No, I can't." Him breaking the promise has a more powerful impact on the weight placed on Peter's shoulders--it's always there in the back of his mind whenever he's with her on a date or whatever. And, ultimately, when she dies (I'm assuming this of course) the weight of the broken promise will come down on him very hard. It adds more burden to him than to say "no I can't."