The Dark Knight Rises Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman XXIII

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[obin_gam]

The only people making direct comparisons to other Catwoman designs are the ones pointing out that she looks like the 1960's parody of the character. A weak comparison IMO

Parody? The sixties series was a 100% faithful adaption of the comic book at the time. Actually to be technical, you could argue it is the most faithful adaption of Batman that has been made because of that.

 

[floreairfoot]

Yes, I know that. My point was more on how when the goggles are up, it is unmistakably similar to a domino mask. Flip shades typically reveal a very thin outline underneath.

the goggles are a bit thinner without the mask.

 

[KRIM]

Having a retro inpired wordrobe and being a whipp wielding femme fatale is in two different leagues dontcha think?

Yes, that was precisely my point. At the end of the day, the whip doesn't define the iconography. Indiana Jones doesn't look less of a man or an archaeologist because of it. It's attached to the hip and that's that.

The "cat-ears" and domino mask scream retro and masquerade ball, in spite of the modern designs from the neck-down. The entire aesthetic is affected as a result. Substitute with the modern cat cowl and suddenly you don't think costume ball or callbacks to a bygone era. It fits the here and now. Most importantly, it looks like an outfit that could be worn outside a themed party.

For however ridiculous Batman, Joker, Scarecrow, and Two-Face objectively look in comparison to our world -- when watching the film you lose sense that they're all dressed up in absurd gear. It just feels part of that world. I personally cannot shake that feeling with Catwoman when I've been exposed to literally dozens of college girls sporting the same open-haired masked look in Halloween parties and costumed galas.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Parody? The sixties series was a 100% faithful adaption of the comic book at the time. Actually to be technical, you could argue it is the most faithful adaption of Batman that has been made because of that.

Umm, the 1960's show WAS a parody. All the characters in it WERE parodies. Is this even arguable?

 

[Nevincer]

Parody? The sixties series was a 100% faithful adaption of the comic book at the time. Actually to be technical, you could argue it is the most faithful adaption of Batman that has been made because of that.

The comics were sort of a parody of itself in that era.

So I see exactly what Poni_Boy is getting at.

 

[Sharkboy]

Parody? The sixties series was a 100% faithful adaption of the comic book at the time. Actually to be technical, you could argue it is the most faithful adaption of Batman that has been made.

Definitely, No one ever calls David Niven James Bond, because he played a parody. But everyone calls Adam West Batman, Caesar Romero is Joker and Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt and Lee Merriweather is definitely Catwoman. Those are not parodys, they are an adaptation of what batman was like at the time. Seriously if people don't like the Catwoman suit, that's fine. If people say it's not like Catwoman only to be countered with the cold hard fact it looks like the 60's version only to come up with an ignorant and paper thin argument that it's a parody not to be taken seriously? It's idiotic to say the least.

 

[obin_gam]

The comics were sort of a parody of itself in that era.

So I see exactly what Poni_Boy is getting at.

Umm, the 1960's show WAS a parody. All the characters in it WERE parodies. Is this even arguable?

I thought you meant the show was a parody of the comic. But I see now we're on the same page. Still, the show and comic is part of Batman no matter what one might think of it quality wise.
Julie Newman et al.s Catwoman was and and have always been a real Catwoman, the same as all other characters through the ages.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The comics were sort of a parody of itself in that era.

So I see exactly what Poni_Boy is getting at.

Thank you! I didn't say the show wasn't a reflection of the comics, I said the character was a parody of itself in the show. An overemphasized, cheesy parody.

 

[Sharkboy]

Umm, the 1960's show WAS a parody. All the characters in it WERE parodies. Is this even arguable?

It's still batman though, and a huge part of his history and franchise, and still very faithful to what the comics were at the time. If it's not your cup of tea so be it, but because it's content isn't dark and serious doesn't make it any less of a work, worthy enough to be taken inspiration from.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Yes, that was precisely my point. At the end of the day, the whip doesn't define the iconography. Indiana Jones doesn't look less of a man or an archaeologist because of it. It's attached to the hip and that's that.

The "cat-ears" and domino mask scream retro and masquerade ball, in spite of the modern designs from the neck-down. The entire aesthetic is affected as a result. Substitute with the modern cat cowl and suddenly you don't think costume ball or callbacks to a bygone era. It fits the here and now. Most importantly, it looks like an outfit that could be worn outside a themed party.

For however ridiculous Batman, Joker, Scarecrow, and Two-Face objectively look in comparison to our world -- when watching the film you lose sense that they're all dressed up in absurd gear. It just feels part of that world. I personally cannot shake that feeling with Catwoman when I've been exposed to literally dozens of college girls sporting the same open-haired masked look in Halloween parties and costumed galas.

I see. You don't like the look because it doesn't have the cowl. I thought that was the root of the issue.Finally where making progress.t: The mask has function, it's not there to look like a toy. I know you don't like her look without it but it is not that asthetically unpleasing because she doesn't have a cowl as much as it is not right because it's not what you wanted.

I feel a cowl would feel to dirivative of Batman anyway. She needs her own identity and making the mask separated their looks more. That's also why I think he didn't give her any armor or anything.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Definitely, No one ever calls David Niven James Bond, because he played a parody. But everyone calls Adam West Batman, Caesar Romero is Joker and Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt and Lee Merriweather is definitely Catwoman. Those are not parodys, they are an adaptation of what batman was like at the time. Seriously if people don't like the Catwoman suit, that's fine. If people say it's not like Catwoman only to be countered with the cold hard fact it looks like the 60's version only to come up with an ignorant and paper thin argument that it's a parody not to be taken seriously? It's idiotic to say the least.

Your claim is mute. Everyone involved has repeatedly stated how the show was a parody; A comedic reflection of our times and how we envisioned comic book characters. You're wrong.

I haven't seen anyone say Hathaway absolutely does not look like Catwoman. I've seen plenty of people say she could have looked more like Catwoman. Calling other people's opinions ignorant and idiotic when they have actual basis of comparison is pretty unnecessary. I won't personally get offended but others might.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Definitely, No one ever calls David Niven James Bond, because he played a parody. But everyone calls Adam West Batman, Caesar Romero is Joker and Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt and Lee Merriweather is definitely Catwoman. Those are not parodys, they are an adaptation of what batman was like at the time. Seriously if people don't like the Catwoman suit, that's fine. If people say it's not like Catwoman only to be countered with the cold hard fact it looks like the 60's version only to come up with an ignorant and paper thin argument that it's a parody not to be taken seriously? It's idiotic to say the least.

Yep.

 

[Travesty]

Yes, that was precisely my point. At the end of the day, the whip doesn't define the iconography. Indiana Jones doesn't look less of a man or an archaeologist because of it. It's attached to the hip and that's that.

But Indiana Jones' whip isn't supposed to be indicative of a cat-tail, Catwoman's is. Same can be said about the claws and cowl. So in this case, she looks less like a cat because of her not having a whip, let alone the lack of claws and actual cat ears or cowl.

Maybe if she had other cat-like characteristics about her, than maybe it wouldn't be such an issue.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's still batman though, and a huge part of his history and franchise, and still very faithful to what the comics were at the time. If it's not your cup of tea so be it, but because it's content isn't dark and serious doesn't make it any less of a work, worthy enough to be taken inspiration from.

What does any of this ^ have to do with the fact the show is a parody -- which is the only topic that is being debated about it.

Did anyone say it's not Batman? Nope.

Did anyone say they didn't like it? Nope.

Totally missed the point.

 

[jmc]

But Indiana Jones' whip isn't supposed to be indicative of a cat-tail, Catwoman's is. Same can be said about the claws and cowl. So in this case, she looks less like a cat because of her not having a whip, let alone the lack of claws and actual cat ears or cowl.

Maybe if she had other cat-like characteristics about her, than maybe it wouldn't be such an issue.

The stiletto razors are pretty much the claws in this instance if you think about it.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The stiletto razors are pretty much the claws in this instance if you think about it.

See, this I'm totally ok with. I just want SOME kind of iconography that makes her feel/look/act like Catwoman. Ears are a good start but that just isn't enough for me, especially if the ears are "accidental". Since we haven't seen footage of her in action all I can go off of are the images that, to me, aren't very appealing.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I thought you meant the show was a parody of the comic. But I see now we're on the same page.

Welcome aboard

 

[jmc]

See, this I'm totally ok with. I just want SOME kind of iconography that makes her feel/look/act like Catwoman. Ears are a good start but that just isn't enough for me, especially if the ears are "accidental". Since we haven't seen footage of her in action all I can go off of are the images that, to me, aren't very appealing.

But she looks like Julie Newmar's Catwoman dude. She's probably the most iconic live action interpretation of the character there is, on top of that Selina Kyle looks like Audrey Hepburn. Two 60's icons there dude.

 

[Poni_Boy]

But she looks like Julie Newmar dude. She's probably the most inconic interpretation of the character there is, on top of that Selina Kyle looks like Audrey Hepburn. <i>Two</i> 60's icons there dude.

By that logic if Christian Bale looked like Adam West I'd have to be happy with it, right?

 

[jaymes_e06]

The stiletto razors are pretty much the claws in this instance if you think about it.

They look like they're detachable too.

 

[jaymes_e06]

By that logic if Christian Bale looked like Adam West I'd have to be happy with it, right?

But you wheren't talking about that dude. You were talking about iconography the 1960's show has that in abundance.

 

[KRIM]

But Indiana Jones' whip isn't supposed to be indicative of a cat-tail, Catwoman's is. Same can be said about the claws and cowl. So in this case, she looks less like a cat because of her not having a whip, let alone the lack of claws and actual cat ears or cowl.

Maybe if she had other cat-like characteristics about her, than maybe it wouldn't be such an issue.

I believe we had this discussion already, but yes that is essentially what it is. The lack of whip for me doesn't change much of my perception of this suit. As is, it's already lacking my ideal Catwoman aesthetic so it isn't hurt significantly more without it.

I see. You don't like the look because it doesn't have the cowl. I thought that was the root of the issue.Finally where making progress.t: The mask has function, it's not there to look like a toy. I know you don't like her look without it but it is not that asthetically unpleasing because she doesn't have a cowl as much as it is not right because it's not what you wanted.

I stated precisely why the look doesn't sit right with me. It has little to do with me not getting what I wanted. It has occurred many times in this series, and none have annoyed me as it does here.

There's a direct association with costumed party girls and the traditional female garb in masquerade balls. It exists in this world as tangible clothing wear for particular events. Which is why it's harder to accept in comparison to the other looks of these movies. They don't exist as actual clothing/accessories, outside of cosplay. As a result, with little effort we (or I) are instantly reminded of "dress up".

I feel a cowl would feel to dirivative of Batman anyway. She needs her own identity and making the mask separated their looks more.

It's a highly valued element of her iconography, so it takes precedence. Should the next Batman director omit his cape and argue it is derivative of Superman (which incidentally, it originally was) -- we'll see how good that argument flies with the fanbase.

 

[Nevincer]

By that logic if Christian Bale looked like Adam West I'd have to be happy with it, right?

This.