Quantumania Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

[kguillou]

I definitely think there is an underlying resentment of the MCU boiling within the fanbase and with critics. Because I wholeheartedly believe had this very same movie come out in 2018/2019, it would get a 90% on RT. I want someone to tell me with a straight face that Antman and the Wasp is better than this movie. I wanna hear that defense and thats got a 87% on RT. Jonathan Major's presence alone propels this movie way above that one.

 

[Bary]

I definitely think there is an underlying resentment of the MCU boiling within the fanbase and with critics. Because I wholeheartedly believe had this very same movie come out in 2018/2019, it would get a 90% on RT. I want someone to tell me with a straight face that Antman and the Wasp is better than this movie. I wanna hear that defense and thats got a 87% on RT. Jonathan Major's presence alone propels this movie way above that one.

I saw Antman & wasp once to see what the tie in to Endgame was and I completly forgot most of that movie. To be fair the shockwave we rode from thor ragnarok to endgame is something you cant replicate so easily over and over. my current beef with Marvel is they keep dangling a carrot we are following trying to catch like they did with Thanos but this new carrot doesnt seem as appealing the past 2-3 years

 

[Iceman]

Saw this in the morning and had a good time. The quantum realm was quite inventive. I’d give it a 7/10. Really looking forward to seeing more from Kang.

 

[TheFuture]

I definitely think there is an underlying resentment of the MCU boiling within the fanbase and with critics. Because I wholeheartedly believe had this very same movie come out in 2018/2019, it would get a 90% on RT. I want someone to tell me with a straight face that Antman and the Wasp is better than this movie. I wanna hear that defense and thats got a 87% on RT. Jonathan Major's presence alone propels this movie way above that one.

I was just thinking that but couldn't recall what RT score AATW got. They're on an equal keel to me, though 87% seems high for both (I would have said high 70s to low 80s). I wonder if the chasm is related to that influx of critics they let into RT between the release of both.

 

[legendkillin]

I saw Antman & wasp once to see what the tie in to Endgame was and I completly forgot most of that movie. To be fair the shockwave we rode from thor ragnarok to endgame is something you cant replicate so easily over and over. my current beef with Marvel is they keep dangling a carrot we are following trying to catch like they did with Thanos but this new carrot doesnt seem as appealing the past 2-3 years

I definitely think there is an underlying resentment of the MCU boiling within the fanbase and with critics. Because I wholeheartedly believe had this very same movie come out in 2018/2019, it would get a 90% on RT. I want someone to tell me with a straight face that Antman and the Wasp is better than this movie. I wanna hear that defense and thats got a 87% on RT. Jonathan Major's presence alone propels this movie way above that one.

Yeah I wouldn't say Ant-Man & Wasp was vastly better than this. I think AM&W had way more of the fun factor going for it and still stayed to the small scale since I think AM has the rep of not being able to carry a huge plot. We had the same recurring side characters where in this the Quantum people were forgettable. The humor wasn't as flowing and felt forced in more often than the traditional Marvel movie. I thought AM&W was a 7 at best and gave this a 5.5 at my first watch, I do have a 2nd showing so it could change.

It is near impossible to replicate the Thanos way and Kang

Spoiler

losing will knock shine off of him. They can play it off that he didn't want to kill Scott because he needed Pym particles. If Ant-Man crew can beat him though it will be hard to think Thor can't easily beat him.

 

[Kane52630]

For one thing Ant-Man and the Wasp felt like an Ant-Man movie, this felt like someone wanted to make a live action version of Strange World.

Kang was pretty much Darth Vader and Clu combined but I thought Majors performance was good enough.

 

[kguillou]

For one thing Ant-Man and the Wasp felt like an Ant-Man movie, this felt like someone wanted to make a live action version of Strange World.

Kang was pretty much Darth Vader and Clu combined but I thought Majors performance was good enough.

So is that it?Is that what people are chaffing against? That this doesnt feel like an Antman movie in tone and style? I'm genuinely asking, because that might actually explain the tepid reaction its getting.

And to each their own and honestly I do not have a dog in this race but I personally really appreciated the feeling of stakes and danger in this movie.

 

[Fosterson]

I definitely think there is an underlying resentment of the MCU boiling within the fanbase and with critics.

As someone who hasn't seen Quantummania, I think this is true in the sense that folks are less forgiving of these flicks now. They expect something genuinely new and different, and for the most part they aren't getting it.

But on the other hand, I think its pretty clear that there has also been a decline in quality, most likely brought about by the studio having to churn out twice as many projects as they did previously. WandaVision, Black Widow, Hawkeye, TFATWS and Thor 4 are easily amongst the worst things Marvel has produced IMHO, with most of the others being "meh" at best. Only NWH truly escaped the Phase 4 curse for me, and even that largely did it through relying on nostalgia for movies outside the MCU.

 

[Broseph44]

I haven’t seen the film yet but did see both of the post credits scenes. Both are great.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I had more fun with this than I did with Wakanda Forever and Thor Love and Thunder but the script is pretty weak. I'd give it a 7/10.

 

[Bary]

As someone who hasn't seen Quantummania, I think this is true in the sense that folks are less forgiving of these flicks now. They expect something genuinely new and different, and for the most part they aren't getting it.

But on the other hand, I think its pretty clear that there has also been a decline in quality, most likely brought about by the studio having to churn out twice as many projects as they did previously. WandaVision, Black Widow, Hawkeye, TFATWS and Thor 4 are easily amongst the worst things Marvel has produced IMHO, with most of the others being "meh" at best. Only NWH truly escaped the Phase 4 curse for me, and even that largely did it through relying on nostalgia for movies outside the MCU.

Im stuck in my head on is it a drop in quality since endgame or a lack of star power like a downey jr or chris evans driving the ship? To me most of these movies we have the past 2 years look and feel like phase 1-3 movies outside of clearly bad CGI here and there but yet not sticking the landing like the previous phases.

The TV shows yes 100% have dipped in quality if Im using Wandavision as the measuring stick for any shows that followed. I understand if you didnt like it and appreciate that but maybe because it was early 2021 and it was the first real thing Marvel released after 2020 where we went along time without new content.

 

[Frodo]

I think MCU franchise is just in a creative slump at this point.

It isn't the critics or the fans gunning out for Marvel.
The studio itself clearly feels the material needs work, and while that may be hard to hear , that's the reality .

The reality is, that every film franchise has it's peaks and it's valley's if it's around long enough.

If anything, it's a testament to the high quality and standards of the MCU ,that it's taken about 15 years to get to the point where fans and critics are saying " there's a problem".

It was going to happen inevitably, and Marvel Studios was never immune from a creative slump or issues.

So to me, the period Marvel is going through now, isn't shocking.
If anything, I'm surprised it took this long for the studio to get this point.

Constructive criticism is a good thing for these properties ,and if the studio recognizes it ,it means they'll be able to change and improve for the better.

So yeah, it may suck right now to hear people being critical of the MCU creative process, but helpful feedback is the one of the best ways the studios know what works and what doesn't.

As a fan , it may hurt temporarily.
But ultimately, it will help them get back on track and improve in the long run.

 

[Arachnerd]

Constructive criticism is a good thing for these properties ,and if the studio recognizes it ,it means they'll be able to change and improve for the better.

This. Let's not start to handwave away constructive criticism, lump it with generic hate comments, or stubbornly choose not to understand it simply because it's about something you liked/loved. I still want to see this movie mind you (mostly for Kang), but my expectations are way lowered right now.

Just because a majority of people like something, it doesn't mean everyone has to and their opinion, as long as it remains constructive, is no less valid for it. I don't understand why some of you are so perplexed by this rational viewpoint?

 

[Hannibal75]

This. Let's not start to handwave away constructive criticism, lump it with generic hate comments, or stubbornly choose not to understand it simply because it's about something you liked/loved. I still want to see this movie mind you (mostly for Kang), but my expectations are way lowered right now.

Just because a majority of people like something, it doesn't mean everyone has to and their opinion, as long as it remains constructive, is no less valid for it. I don't understand why some of you are so perplexed by this rational viewpoint?

The only critics I dismiss are the hatemongers like Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic who bellow all day about Woke Marvel and M-She-U. Everyone else's criticism is welcome and I think Iger and Feige get it, hence why they decided to slow down the MCU output.

Robert Meyer Burnett made an astute observation today: with all these project coming out Kevin Feige didn't have enough time to vet the creatives he hired, like he did ten years ago with Gunn and the Russos, and that's why many of these new directors and screenwriters didn't work well in the MCU environment and delivered subpar products.

 

[Limonade]

My expectation for Ant-man 3 was low. He's not an interesting superhero to me, but the actors and the film's place within the MCU makes it an interest. And it met that expectation.

I think Marvel is relying on time and later films to punch up its weaker movies.

This film didn't blew me away, but it didn't have me nod off in the theater like other superhero films in the past.

 

[BoredGuy]

WandaVision, Black Widow, Hawkeye, TFATWS and Thor 4 are easily amongst the worst things Marvel has produced IMHO.

Wandavision (last episode aside) and Hawkeye were fantastic
you crazy

 

[antsman41]

...this killed me - lol.

 

[FootCoach17]

...this killed me - lol.

what’s the story here?

was she anti-vaxx?

 

[Arachnerd]

Pretty much.

 

[psylockolussus]

I definitely think there is an underlying resentment of the MCU boiling within the fanbase and with critics. Because I wholeheartedly believe had this very same movie come out in 2018/2019, it would get a 90% on RT. I want someone to tell me with a straight face that Antman and the Wasp is better than this movie. I wanna hear that defense and thats got a 87% on RT. Jonathan Major's presence alone propels this movie way above that one.

Hmm I seriously doubt if you released this movie in 2018/19 It would score 90%.

I don't agree with Ant-Man 2's 87% rating but that film was more fun and had more character than Quantumania. The characters also had more motivation. Wasp and Hank were simply in Quantumania just cause. While Cassie was just older but with the suit. And if Im not mistaken, Quantumania had fewer characters to juggle with. There's like 12 characters in Ant-Man 2.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Pretty much.

She was anti-mandate, not anti-vax. That's a big difference. She said she had no problem with vaccines but didn't think people should be penalized (lose their jobs, work benefits, or ability to just do normal, everyday activities) for not wanting to take vaccines they were unsure about.

 

[Superhero 101]

Saw the movie and it’s a solid film. The cgi is bad though and can’t believe marvel okayed the Final Cut. The cast is great all gave fine performances. Story was weak imo though…I felt like the first act dragged too long but the movie got a lot better for me towards the middle and I enjoyed watching it. I think it’s a solid MCU film I was definitely entertained it’s no avengers infinity war or endgame but it’s definitely not as bad as eternals or Thor love and thunder id probably rank it somewhere around like 6.5/10

 

[LoganPool]

This has no business being rotten on RT. It's top tier MCU in my book. It's my 3rd favorite film of the new Saga, behind No Way Home and Love and Thunder (yes, you read this correctly.)

 

[DKDetective]

She was anti-mandate, not anti-vax. That's a big difference. She said she had no problem with vaccines but didn't think people should be penalized (lose their jobs, work benefits, or ability to just do normal, everyday activities) for not wanting to take vaccines they were unsure about.

Umm, no. She was also anti-lockdown and expressly stated that her kids' Spring Break camp was more important than innocent, high-risk people's lives. If they die, they die was her attitude. She is a garbage human being.

 

[Sithborg]

Umm, no. She was also anti-lockdown and expressly stated that her kids' Spring Break camp was more important than innocent, high-risk people's lives. If they did, they die was her attitude. She is a garbage human being.

Don't forget her support of the Canadian trucker's occupation of the capital.