That's fine. My reasoning on Speedball is because he's typically stereotyped as "the jokester" of the New Warriors. The sort of bouncy, fun guy who tells a wisecrack and no one expects to have a temper or that sort of thing. While I'm not saying I'd make him a surly, brooding vigilante like Darkhawk would be (always on the verge of a nervous breakdown), but I would want to explore Speedball beyond the wisecracking stereotype. Stuff like being clumsy with women has been done, but how about when the "funny guy" snaps? It's just a story idea and the situation doesn't come lightly for Speedball; my idea revolved around a serial killer (an original character of mine, I hope) manages to hit close to home with a victim he knows, and when he confronts the guy, all of a sudden the "funny guy" reveals he can have a temper, too, like everyone else, given a situation. I actually liken Speedball to a young Spider-Man, and Spider-Man is a very emotional character, beyond just witty banter. Let's explore that.Muze said:i think you should leave the repressed anger to Darkhawk. it's more fitting with his character than someone like Speedball. otherwise, cool. i'll have more commentage later.![]()
Anubis said:I like that idea with the remaining Slingers going after Wolvie. Thats a damn good way to shed light on that particular type of hypocrocy within the hero community.
Muze said:just once, i'd like to see a true hero (not a punisher type) consciously choose to go over the edge to avenge someone. i think Jack of Hearts did something similar but the wrong lesson was learned from it, imo. if Prodigy or whoever were to go after Wolverine, i think they should do it after ditching the costume to acknowledge that there are actions that heroes don't take.
deemar325 said:Dread I just read your Frogman story idea! dude that is F@#%g brilliant! it's fun satirical, in contd.(some what) damn you need to sudmit so stuff to Marvel or DC seriously I want 2 read that!![]()
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Dread said:And now for yet ANOTHER idea from me. See how many I have? And trust me, these are only ideas that fit the topic title! They're not, say, general Spider-Man fan-fic ideas or something (I also have a Taskmaster/Mystique thriller idea).
"How would Dread do..."
Frogman: As in "The Fabulous" Frogman. I must admit that I came up with this idea about 2 years ago at least, but after Dan Slott's recent work in Marvel (She-Hulk, GLA), it is going to seem MUCH lamer and less original than it would have beforehand. Oh, well.
To start off with, while another "lame" teenage hero, Squirrel Girl, is one I planned to take seriously (sort of) in another idea, right off, Frogman is not meant to be completely serious. The idea was for it to try to capture some of the adventure/slapstick appeal of Lupin The Third anime. The few who know of it may get the idea.
The Frogman idea is basically an adventure parody, and pretty much runs with what we could call a "relaunch" or "revamp". Eugene Paul Colorito Patilo (whatta mouthful) is still the son of the villianous but lame Leapfrog, and he has aged to that of an older youth, 21. Since his time in limbo, he has gone through major changes. He won second prize in the lottery, but unfortunately, he quickly spent all of the money on his make-over. He dropped at least 50 lbs and went to the Orient, tracking down the one man who knows "Frog style" kung fu (there is a style for every animal). He gets some cosmetic surgery done and is now a bit lean (Spider-Man lean). And lastly, while he retains some of his old gadgets, Eugene decided that there are just too many superheroes in this 'burg for him to have much success at being one, so he decides to be a private investigator, who naturally will become involved in some super-efforts.
In terms of costume, he no longer wears one. He has his specialized "electric leaping coils" that allowed him to leap amazing distances installed in boots. He wears a green jacket and clothes, even has his hair a shade of spikey green now, and shades. He carries a "tongue whip", which is a whip that is colored like a frog's tongue, that is elastic and able to reach long distances and stick to surfaces at the tip, for swinging/disarming manuvers. He drives a green car he calls a "Frogmobile", and various "frog-themed gadgets". From a Tranq-Gun that has Poisonous Frog-Serum (from African frogs), to "Frog Gas" (putrid, made from many burned, dead frogs), you name it, he has a frog-themed weapon somewhere, colored green and with his trademark. The purpose is, of course, to mock Batman and other heroes who have gadgets for everything. He changes his monniker to Paul Patilo, a.k.a. Frogman, and with the Sensational Spider-Kid as his tech-maker and contact, he naturally goes off on cases that usually involve other D-Listers. As for supporting cast, the only one so far was fellow P.I. Dakota North, whom Frogman mocks because her name is "North Dakota" backwards, yet is attracted to.
He's a nerd trying to make up for lost time, so he's a bit horny. And while this is a parody series, Frogman also uses some of the ridiculousness of his universe to his advantage. For example, if a villian literally explains their powers to him, Froggie would say, "Thanks a lot!" and use it to defeat them. The main point would actually be that Frogman actually has become capable enough to fight people.
The series would pretty much be strings of cases strung along with a few reoccuring characters.
The first one involved a mock Playboy mansion, Silvermane the Geezer Cyborg (and his Maggia cronies, Hammerhead and Man Mountain Marko, now calling himself "Triple M"), a new Rose, White Rabbit and Walrus (of course) and some other crime figures in the search of missing amulet.
The second involved Frogman sent to find a teenage girl, who has been turned into a vampire against her will, and now has Blade insessently stalking her and wishing to stake her. Froggie must keep her around, figure out a way to revert her to normal, and keep from being taken out by the overbaring Blade. The running joke would be that constant titles of Wesley Snipes movies would be used as dialogue.
Another involved Froggie becoming involved with The Hypno Hustler, who now wants to mind-control people with legitimate music on sale. Only now, he's embraced the rap style as "H.H. Diddy Hust", which, of course, climaxes in a bizarre dance number and lesiure suits.
Another involved some plot that led to the Hellfire Club, only because a gang of British mutants that dress in colonial wear really can't be taken seriously all the time.
And the last idea involved the alliance of Mangaverse Spider-Man, NFL Superpro, Slapstick, TEAM America and so on as....The Fadz.
Truly a bizarre idea. But there it is.
roach said:I was thinking of Dr. Strange the other day. He is the Sorceror Supreme of our reality and yet few readers know of his full capabilities. Strange is the one book that you dont have to do superhero stories. This guy is supposed to be guarding our dimension and all he seems to do is sit in his home thinking or jumping into someone elses troubles. I'd like to think that talking to Steven Strange is a lesson in frustration. His mystic senses are always watching the dimensional outskirts. He never pays attention to anyone entirely. I imagine he is aloof like Gandalf is from LOTR. You never know what is on his mind..and a lot of times you dont want to. He is a guy who can just walk into Heaven or Hell to chat with God or Mephisto. He goes into the timestream to vacation. He travels to Olympus for Dionysus famous parties. You TIVO television shows....he TIVO's our dimension. Always around when something major is going down.
This is how I see Doctor Strange
Anubis said:I was thinking about Doug Ramesy the other day. You know? The mutant who could...speak any language? (I mean, WTF was that about?) I think he could be brought back, only, you know, more useful. Having spent so much time bonded to Warlock, I figure, Machine Telepathy? ABility to control machines or something like that. Just a thought.
I also had a more in-depth reworking of Wonder Woman. First off, the suit should change. Loose the US flag. Though I have always loved the design, cuz, you know, she's hot. Maybe more of a greek influence to the uniform. I also thought about changing the nature of the WW mantle. Where as it's handed down throughout the generations of the Amazons. There was a Wonder Woman back in ancient Greece. There was present during the fall of Rome. One in WWI and WWII. Kinda like Alan Moore's Promethea.
Paradise Island would be located in the area of the Greek Isles. Kept apart from the world with a spell, blinding it from the eyes of outsiders. In terms of personality, I kinda purfer the current way she's being handled by Rucka. (If you haven't been reading it I highly recommend it.) The problem with WW has always been the way they manhandled her origin after the Crisis. (Her mom, inspired by her daughters work went back in time and became the Golden Age Wonder Woman?!?! WTF?) Now if there were others, or say her mom was WW before her, then that would be better. Instead of this chicken before the egg thing they got going on now. I did also like the Ultimate WW idea they had in Wizard last year. Where she was a spy, making preparations for the Amazon's invasion of patriarcs world. But I would make so, no one knows her true origins. She just seems to the public like a hero taking on a patriotic stance, but her true intensions are to prepare the man's world for invasion. But of course, after spending time her, (and falling for Trevor) she decides to go agianst the Amazon's, making an enemy out of all she has ever known. But thats a bit extreem. Would make a nice elseworlds I think.


Anubis said:I gotta say Muze, that Hank Pym reimagining is f**kin sweet!I love what you did with Ultron. Taking Pyms place, Pym in an isntitution. Secret Agent. Brilliant.
Dread said:Some pretty cool ideas, both of you. I'm still a bit tapped out. The only idea that moved past my mind was thinking about someone's suggestion that I paired up Danny Rand with Julia Carpenter romantic-wise, and for some reason it is workable, if not random. But that never stopped Marvel from doing the same with Psylocke and Archangel.![]()
Anubis said:Golden Age The Sentinal I - Private Kent Walker volunteers for a top secret expieriment to create a superhero for the US to counter the threat of the German and Japanesse Superheros of WWII. The result was amping up the human physiology to superhuman levels. Ability to lift up to ten tons. Enhanced speed of up to 80 mph. Endurence, reflexes, Healing factor, you know. The works. They dubbed him the Sentinal and he was Americas' champion.
Anubis said:Fought throughout WWII with other heros as part of the Freedom Brigade consisting of guys like Pendragon, The Celtic Guardian, and The Amphibian
Anubis said:He even Delt the killing blow upon the superhuman Hitler in the final battle of the European theater. And fought the Japanesse Superhuman Hitochi on the Island of Midway. By the time the war ended he was promoted to a Major, and placed in charge of the US secret defense organization called the Last Line. He gave up his title and simply became known as the Major. He's fought wars that the public has no idea of. A true Cold Warrior in the vein of Nick Fury. And he eventually over saw the creation of the second incarnation of the Sentinal program...
Anubis said:Silver age The Sentinal II - This Sentinal was a young Soldier by the name of Ray Ross. This Sentinal would be created using atomic energy as a counter to the russian superhuman known as Nukulon. He did quite well for himself as America's Atomic Sentinal. Even joining the Guardians of America in the 70's. But for the most part he did work for the Last Line. His nuclear physiology caused him serious mental problems as he began to understand just how powerful he was. He could transmute inorganic material to anything he wished.
Anubis said:Later he would be able to do the same to organic items as well. The old saying, power corrupts pretty much applies here, and he went rogue. In an effort to try and bring him down, the Major sent a strike force to capture him. After a fierce battle, he errupted. Taking out the Colorado Rockies. He was rendered inert and placed in a containment cell where he still lays to this day.
Anubis said:Bronze/Dark ages Sentinal III WIth the Sentinal program ended after the violent end of the Atomic Sentinal, The Major was still conviced that the US still needed someone to protect it's shores. With the deaths of many heros during the Omega hour event, the world was left pretty defensless. John Jupiter certainly couldn't keep the world safe by himself. Certainly not at his age. And this new crop of heros were, unproven at best. The Major then secretly put some scientists to work on trying to create a new Sentinal.
Anubis said:He put all his faith in an upstart young scientist by the name of Milo Lantus. Lantus was working on advanced evolution. He succeded in evolving human tissue through use of a machine he was able to create. He was sure he could advance a living being with it. But the Major pulled the plug on the operation when the government found out what he was up to. Lantus, not wanting to give up his shot at glory, and he attempted to use it on a test subject to show them what it could do. He kidnapped an airman stationed at the base by the name of Harrison West and strapped him into the machine.
Anubis said:His body and mind was evolved 20,000 years beyond that of a normal human. Lantus was captured and Harrison was taken for observation. Not wanting another problem like what went on with the Sentinal II project, they planned to destroy him. Not wanting to kill a soldier who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, the Major secretly helped him escape. He went into hiding. Trying to make sense of his strange new powers. He possed high level TK abilites which enable flight and the ability to lift very large objects.
Anubis said:Not even allowing him to leave the military base except for missions for a number of years. Lantus escaped, and continues to run his sick experiments as the Evolutionary. The Major was forced to retire for his hand in all this mess. He continues to be something of a mentor to Harrison. The current Sentinal is still active to this day. With a wife and child who posseses some of her fathers powers.
roach said:How I would do Spider-Man.....
.......That being said there is nothing wrong with Peter and MJ. No drastic changes. No divorce....no crazy new powers...no new costume. No reverting to a photographer...His job as a teacher is perfect. So what needs to be changed????
His rogues...his enemies. Spider-man has some of the best villains but they are all jokes. Do you have a sense of dread when you see the Vulture on the cover??? Me neither. So I would have this mysterious stranger hire Jack O' Lantern to gather all of Spider-Man's enemies together. Vulture, Electro,Hydroman,Rhino, Shocker,Venom,Boomerang,Mysterio and other show up. Jack O' Lantern gives them the offer the mysterious stranger gave him. Unlimited funding. New equipment. New training. They all agree and form the new Sinister Syndicate. They leave NY and are at a compound in Vegas called the Hive. It is there that they begin their training. Imagine it like and evil Xavier Institute. Meanwhile Peter's life is easy as there are almost no supervillain attacks. Then the villains return. Imagine a Vulture who flies way faster and have razor sharp metallic wings, Electro who is way more powerful than he ever was, Hydroman who has very creative uses for his powers,Rhino who has gone from just a dumb thug to a thinking threat, Shocker with equipment that rivals Iron Man's, Venom who learned to fight just like Spider-man from the Taskmaster, Boomerang with better equipment and Mysterio with high tech FX. They make Peter's life a living hell. While he is leaping thru hoops the mysterious benefactor watches from the shadows. After a few issues of Peter getting his butt handed to him it is revealed that the mysterious villain is....The Big Man. The mystery continues as everyone tries to figure out who is behind the white mask of the Big Man. The big reveal comes as The Big Man is revealed to be Jason Macendale. Yes I said it. Macendale was revealed to have faked his death when the Original Hobgoblin came back.......and you thought it was gonna be Norman Osborne


Muze said:well the problem i see, off the bat, is that you're basically using the Vulture to label the others. no, i don't get an inner sense of dread when i see the Vulture. that's really not the point of his character. he's just a thief. he's not Venom; someone who is meant to be Spiderman's worst nightmare. it's a lot like Batman's Rogue's Gallery in that not every villain is meant to be a physical threat. if i were to change something about the Vulture, it'd be his m.o. no more hokey costume. more planning and leading from the shadows. he could be a former physical threat who matures into more of a criminal mastermind type. sure, he could have powers; maybe enhanced strength. but, by this point, he's too smart and too old to rely on something like that. he would basically be that Bont guy over in Daredevil. the other characters could benefit more from attitude adjustment than power-ups. and some of them need to be slackers just so that they don't kill Spiderman every time out ex. Hydro-Man. i got my own little changes to his rogues gallery but their mainly cosmetic or background twists. anyways, good discussion.
btw, if i were going to pick a mystery benefactor, it'd be Roderick Kingsley.![]()
Muze said:decent character. but what reality does this take place in.
This is part of my Universe 101 idea. It could be a marvel universe, just not 616, or I could just come up with another name and have it just be something I made up. Meaning I got freedom to do what I want.
so are these UK heroes? cool. what were their powers?
Yes, they are UK characters, with the exception of The Amphibian ( I may change that name.) He's an atlantian so you know, not even european. As far as powers, Well I'll get to them later. But basically Pendragon is the Golden age inheritor of Excalibur. The Celtic Gaurdian is more like a druidian warrior spirit taken root in a human host. There are others, I'll get to at some point. But for the most part, this is my universes Freedom Fighters, my All-Star Squadron.
so he's like Firestorm?
Yeah, or more like Nuke from Squadron Supreme because of the whole going crazy thing. This whole thing is basically a homage. You'll see many other characters in most of what I've come up with.
interesting. so i guess he's a potential future villain.
Oh Definatly. I got other ideas for villians I'll continue to put up when I get the chance.
wow. will they ever learn from past mistakes?!
In comics? They never do.![]()
well kidnapping is no way to create a supersoldier. that's just asking for rebellion.
I was thinking about changing that to maybe Harrison being a janitor. Either way, I dont feel that Lantus cared weather or not the subject would do what he says so much as weather or not it would work.
so he's the pinnacle of human evolution? cool.
Pretty much. I figure it's the most natural evolution of that type of hero. From brusier, to atomic superman, to advanced human with mental powers.
i like legacy characters. good stuff. it's too bad that you don't have pictures of them. btw, what happened to celtic guardian and the rest? did they retire?