Anubis' "How would you do it?" Thread.

[Dread]

Yeah, Capn' Marv, Ms. Marvel, you could count Crystal because of the Kree screwing around with humans and Terrigen mists. Are there any Brood/human Hybrids that aren't dangerous out there?

I don't think so. The Brood are different, and are essentially like ALIENS; really no way to keep them from becoming all monstrous and nasty. They even seemed to effect Ghost Rider, who is demonic no less.

Of course,

Spoiler

Hulkling has that Kree & Skrull background, most likely

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[Anubis]

Well, he's definatly involded with the Skrulls in some way. And if Wiccan turns out to be some sort of Kree/Human hybrid, then he would have had some Kree IN him. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Dread]

Well, he's definatly involded with the Skrulls in some way. And if Wiccan turns out to be some sort of Kree/Human hybrid, then he would have had some Kree IN him. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

No problem.

More on AVENGERS: NEXT GENERATION, which is a plot I've discussed before, which was linking up Night-Thrasher with Cardiac for a story. While I originally considered a retcon that had the pair meeting up before they donned their respective garb, I usually have criticized retcons from others (because they are terrible) so it may be a better idea to keep it more straightfoward. Cardiac's state-trotting operations run afoul of the team, especially since he has grown more vicious in his war against "corruption", and Dwayne sort of empathizes with him, as he once was a dark vigilante mourning the loss of family to "the crooked". Just while as Dwayne has allowed love to enter his heart in his family (Rage and Silohette), Cardiac's heart both physically and spiritually, may be cold (Cardiac's heart is really this electro-generator that gives him his powers, basically like a bootleg Electro, only meaner).

I guess now would be a good idea for expressing my vision of Cardiac, which I am sure most people would dislike. Essentially the character is a "psuedo-vigilante" who goes after corrupt corporations like the kind that basically caused the death of his brother. However, he is usually kept as a sort of spontaneous terrorist who sometimes fights or teams up with Spider-Man. I see him going darker to sort of take his mission to its full conclusion; after all, corrupt corporations do more than, say, release harmful products if it means increased profits. They do things like "campaigin contributions", which is legalized bribery, to effect elected officials and play a key role from the shadows of government beaurcracy. And he is not satisfied with sabutage anymore; this time he is going after the heads of these companies or corrupt elected officials and killing them, and their families. His justification? He feels that every day, "little families" are destroyed by the sorts of actions and lives of the big ones, so he's acting as a sort of equalizer. Any valueable property or cash he finds, he naturally donates to charities and so on, as a sort of very violent Robin Hood. I feel that acting half-arsed on his ideas is what has kept him at D-List, so while taking him to an extreme may make him a "zealot with a fair point", that may end up making better stories with him. And why does Magneto have a monopoly on being a "zealot with a fair point" anyway?

As Cardiac is not stupid, as well as nasty in combat, he could likely take his electro-powers to better extremes than Electro even, becoming a challenge to more than one hero. And the tragedy is that while he does what he does to avenge his beloved brother, and because he cares a lot for "little people" who get squashed by "the elites", his own viciousness may prove that he has become something heartless. A vital lesson for Night-Thrasher as well as Dusk and Prodigy about the sort of conclusion that a mission mired in darkness and revenge can lead to.

 

[deemar325]

No problem.

More on AVENGERS: NEXT GENERATION, which is a plot I've discussed before, which was linking up Night-Thrasher with Cardiac for a story. While I originally considered a retcon that had the pair meeting up before they donned their respective garb, I usually have criticized retcons from others (because they are terrible) so it may be a better idea to keep it more straightfoward. Cardiac's state-trotting operations run afoul of the team, especially since he has grown more vicious in his war against "corruption", and Dwayne sort of empathizes with him, as he once was a dark vigilante mourning the loss of family to "the crooked". Just while as Dwayne has allowed love to enter his heart in his family (Rage and Silohette), Cardiac's heart both physically and spiritually, may be cold (Cardiac's heart is really this electro-generator that gives him his powers, basically like a bootleg Electro, only meaner).

I guess now would be a good idea for expressing my vision of Cardiac, which I am sure most people would dislike. Essentially the character is a "psuedo-vigilante" who goes after corrupt corporations like the kind that basically caused the death of his brother. However, he is usually kept as a sort of spontaneous terrorist who sometimes fights or teams up with Spider-Man. I see him going darker to sort of take his mission to its full conclusion; after all, corrupt corporations do more than, say, release harmful products if it means increased profits. They do things like "campaigin contributions", which is legalized bribery, to effect elected officials and play a key role from the shadows of government beaurcracy. And he is not satisfied with sabutage anymore; this time he is going after the heads of these companies or corrupt elected officials and killing them, and their families. His justification? He feels that every day, "little families" are destroyed by the sorts of actions and lives of the big ones, so he's acting as a sort of equalizer. Any valueable property or cash he finds, he naturally donates to charities and so on, as a sort of very violent Robin Hood. I feel that acting half-arsed on his ideas is what has kept him at D-List, so while taking him to an extreme may make him a "zealot with a fair point", that may end up making better stories with him. And why does Magneto have a monopoly on being a "zealot with a fair point" anyway?

As Cardiac is not stupid, as well as nasty in combat, he could likely take his electro-powers to better extremes than Electro even, becoming a challenge to more than one hero. And the tragedy is that while he does what he does to avenge his beloved brother, and because he cares a lot for "little people" who get squashed by "the elites", his own viciousness may prove that he has become something heartless. A vital lesson for Night-Thrasher as well as Dusk and Prodigy about the sort of conclusion that a mission mired in darkness and revenge can lead to.

Dude I can't stand you! That's freaking a awesome idea! I'm always impressed with your ideas.

 

[Anubis]

Great stuff Dread.

 

[Dread]

Dude I can't stand you! That's freaking a awesome idea! I'm always impressed with your ideas.

Great stuff Dread.

Thanks! I was afraid that my idea for Cardiac was a bit too EXTREME or something.

I guess to keep the topic going, since I mentioned some of their villians aside for Cardiac, may as well get into my takes on them, too, or at least how I would approach them here.

The most important note on some of the villians of Avengers: Next Generation would be that many of them would basically seek to get at the "old" Avengers through these kids; as in, since many of their real enemies in the "classic" Avengers are either off the roster or elsewhere or whatever, the general theme would be to focus on the kids not only to punish the older heroes (imagine how guilty, say, Cap or Vision might feel if their worst foes killed some Avengers wannabe's), but also to discourage other young heroes from doing the same (or even putting on tights in the first place, unless it was to join up with the Masters of Evil or the Lethal Legion). I could definately see some foes like Ultron or some of the Masters thinking "long game" here.

Of course, the problem with a lot of the Masters of Evil is that most of the "decent" members have gone good and become Thunderbolts. So I would probably be playing with some of the members that were left; without Zemo calling the shots, a new leader would emerge. Someone who is cunning enough not to get suckered into "planning too big" but would know how to stay focused on smaller prized, build up some successes and try to stay under radar. Someone who's also not bad at tinkering with some gadgets on the fly. Crimson Cowl and Graviton have led the team before, and Graviton really does need to get revived and amped up to Magneto-levels here. But I see an underrated villian coming to form now that some of the bigger shot Masters are preoccupied...Shocker. Yes, he was a member of the roster once. And his defeat at the hands of Young Avengers may have put some invested focus on allies, and on stopping even more troubles from arising. Now, Shocker's not going to be cackling and trying to take over the world. I'm talking about running the MOE like a gang, and him being a bit schrewd, a guy who knows when to cut his losses, escape clean, that sort of thing. Shocker knows what it is like to be on the bottom end of the crime chain, and about being a "goon", and that experience makes up for his lack of "boss arrogance".

As for Tiger Shark, I see him here as being a vicious, bruiser-thug who upon learning that Stringray is getting back in the game, now has a personal investment in an evil act aside for escaping from jail, working for someone else or knocking over a bank. Because the truth of the matter is, while Tiger Shark has usually been little more than B-List muscle for other villians, Stingray may not even rank that high. The Avengers would sooner call in D-Man or Moon Knight during a crisis than him. Naturally, to Stringray that is because he recuses himself for the sake of his wife and research, but he has his own self-doubts, and Tiger Shark knows this. As for the kids, he sees them as fresh meat in the water, and in the wild, sharks would eagerly go to gobble up some "young fish" just beginning to test their gills. I see him quietly invading the base and sneaking up on some of them, or trying too, like something out of a horror movie. Maybe taking out a few "fresh pup" heroes will up his rep a few meters. Sort of a mishmash of Sabretooth and Juggernaut I guess, but again, why do they have a monopoly on being sadistical or a relative-with-a-grudge, respectively? If it has worked for them for over 30 years...

 

[Anubis]

Not a bad idea with Shocker and the MOE. I could see it working with him getting an upgrade in the super villian community. Kinda like Captain Cold from the Flash books. He started out as a lame villian with a cold gun and a parka, but with the right personality tweaks, he's become one of the best villians in the DCU. Focusing on his honor among theives beliefs. Not to mention simply knowing a lot about your powers and what you can do with them is always a good way to make a "lame" villian or hero better. I think it could work.

 

[Anubis]

Well, I figured I'd go back and do a little clean up on some of my "Universe 101" stuff. And maybe add a bit more to the ongoing story of the various characters.

First of all, forget the idea of a mega maxi series. I would just like to call this my own little universe. Like 2099 or the Ultimate Universe. Some things within U-101 are similar to the regular MU, but different heros, different everything.

Anyway, heres what I had before on the Moon Patrol

silver ageThe Moon Patrol Founded by the brilliant ferternal twin scientist, Phinias and Hector Moon back in the early 1960's, the Moon Patrol was basically a cross between taskforce X, The Doom Patrol, and the Challengers of the Unknown. Along with Pilot and close friend Hank Harper and beautiful research assitant Gail Grant (Gotta have the dumb brave tough guy and the , the damsel in distress) They went on adventure after adventrue, protecting the world from alien invasions by ming the merciless like despots, to energy vampires from the center of the Earth. Throughout it all the two bickering brothers were the center of the story. Phinias, being the Stright forward, leader of the group. Praised by the massess for his genious, while Hector sits back and hates on his bro for getting all the press. It's purlely tounge in cheek really. Kinda like Everybody loves Raymond or something. But, everything changes when Hector falls for Gail. But Gail is in love with Hank. WIth all the stuff going on with his jelously for his brother and the s**t with Hank and Gail, he finally loseses it and in a key moment, after they defeat a mad man with a machine to give god like powers to whoever is present inside of it, he uses the opportunity to take his place. WIth all this power, he procedes to try and change the universe to give himself Gail, the glory and accolades, money, power, the Moon Patrol itself. But it doesn't last. Deep down, he knew it wasn't right, and he ended up subconciously setting things up agianst himself. Enabling his brother to remember what happened. And freeing everybody else from his control. Resulting in Phinias leading a force of heros against his brother in a massive battle. When the smoke clears his power is stripped away by a machince Phinias was able to put together at the last minute. (Yeah I know, but hey, it's a comic) Powerless, he scrambles to a weapon, desparate to finally have Gail, he fires at Hank, Gail Jumps in front and is killed. Seeing what he has done, he pulls the gun on himself and well, thats it for Hector. Thats the end of the Silver age Moon Patrol. But not the end of the Moon Patrol by a long shot.

The Moon Patrol - It starts with the world famous Moon twins, Phinias and Hector Moon. Both gained a certain degree of superstardom, for their brilliant minds at very young ages. They were trotted around as the worlds smartest kids. Each with IQ's in the 200's at only 5 years old. Both graduated from MIT by the ages of Fifteen, and both found themselves drawn to the realm of Super Science. At the age of 25, Phinias started the Moon Patrol. A team he co funded with the U.S. government to be investigators of the uncanny. The team Consisted of Phinias, Hector, Government secret agent Hank Harper (Think Race Bannon), and the beautiful physisit Gail Grant. The team achived instant cerlebrity status due to the defeat of the underworlders, a race of subterranian beings hell bent on ruling the surface world, in Manhatten. Phinias in particular was given a lot of attention because of his leadership, and charasmatic charm, as well as his on the fly inventions to save the day at the last minute. Around year seven of the Moon Patrol, Phinias met and fell in love with an alien princess by the name of Alura of the planet Xias. (Powers consisting of Flight, energy projection, and telepathy) Her world was taken over by her mad uncle, Auron, who enslaved her people, and imprisioned his brother and the rest of the royal family. Phinias lead the Moon Patrol, the princess, and the rest of the resistance against Auron's armies, defeating them and freeing the people from his tyranny. It was then that the Princess pleaged her undying love to Phinias with a psi-meld of their minds that would never be broken. She accompanied them back to earth and became the fifith member of the Moon Patrol, and Phinias' wife. In year Fifteen of the Moon Patrol, Hector was driven mad by a godlike being known as Zoman, who he became bonded with during one of the Moon Patrols missions to stop a cult of Zoman worshipers from bringing their Dark God back to this plain of exsistance. Zoman took advantage of all of Hector's jealousys and inadiqate feelings about his brother, as well as his failed relationship with fellow Moon Patrol member Gail Grant. These feeling helped him take control of Hector as they took over the Earth, setting himself up as a God. All of Earth's heros were under Hectors command. He gave himself the perfect life. He was the greatest mind on the planet. He was married to Gail. The Moon Patrol was his to command. And his brother was the one forced to sit in the shadows. But, Phinias, regained his mind,(Due to his brothers own subconcious need to be stopped) and was able to free others from his control. While the Gaurdians lead a final assult upon his brother, Phinias worked out a desparate plan to free his brother from the control of Zoman. He was able to separate them, sending Zoman back to the astral plane where he was banished before. But, although Hector was free of the dark gods influence, he was still insane as all his buried emotions ran wild. He tried to attack Gails husband, fellow Moon Patroller Hank Harper, but Gail jumped in the way of his attack and was killed. In his grief, he turned the weapon upon himself.

 

[deemar325]

Well, I figured I'd go back and do a little clean up on some of my "Universe 101" stuff. And maybe add a bit more to the ongoing story of the various characters.

First of all, forget the idea of a mega maxi series. I would just like to call this my own little universe. Like 2099 or the Ultimate Universe. Some things within U-101 are similar to the regular MU, but different heros, different everything.

Anyway, heres what I had before on the Moon Patrol



The Moon Patrol - It starts with the world famous Moon twins, Phinias and Hector Moon. Both gained a certain degree of superstardom, for their brilliant minds at very young ages. They were trotted around as the worlds smartest kids. Each with IQ's in the 200's at only 5 years old. Both graduated from MIT by the ages of Fifteen, and both found themselves drawn to the realm of Super Science. At the age of 25, Phinias started the Moon Patrol. A team he co funded with the U.S. government to be investigators of the uncanny. The team Consisted of Phinias, Hector, Government secret agent Hank Harper (Think Race Bannon), and the beautiful physisit Gail Grant. The team achived instant cerlebrity status due to the defeat of the underworlders, a race of subterranian beings hell bent on ruling the surface world, in Manhatten. Phinias in particular was given a lot of attention because of his leadership, and charasmatic charm, as well as his on the fly inventions to save the day at the last minute. Around year seven of the Moon Patrol, Phinias met and fell in love with an alien princess by the name of Alura of the planet Xias. (Powers consisting of Flight, energy projection, and telepathy) Her world was taken over by her mad uncle, Auron, who enslaved her people, and imprisioned his brother and the rest of the royal family. Phinias lead the Moon Patrol, the princess, and the rest of the resistance against Auron's armies, defeating them and freeing the people from his tyranny. It was then that the Princess pleaged her undying love to Phinias with a psi-meld of their minds that would never be broken. She accompanied them back to earth and became the fifith member of the Moon Patrol, and Phinias' wife. In year Fifteen of the Moon Patrol, Hector was driven mad by a godlike being known as Zoman, who he became bonded with during one of the Moon Patrols missions to stop a cult of Zoman worshipers from bringing their Dark God back to this plain of exsistance. Zoman took advantage of all of Hector's jealousys and inadiqate feelings about his brother, as well as his failed relationship with fellow Moon Patrol member Gail Grant. These feeling helped him take control of Hector as they took over the Earth, setting himself up as a God. All of Earth's heros were under Hectors command. He gave himself the perfect life. He was the greatest mind on the planet. He was married to Gail. The Moon Patrol was his to command. And his brother was the one forced to sit in the shadows. But, Phinias, regained his mind,(Due to his brothers own subconcious need to be stopped) and was able to free others from his control. While the Gaurdians lead a final assult upon his brother, Phinias worked out a desparate plan to free his brother from the control of Zoman. He was able to separate them, sending Zoman back to the astral plane where he was banished before. But, although Hector was free of the dark gods influence, he was still insane as all his buried emotions ran wild. He tried to attack Gails husband, fellow Moon Patroller Hank Harper, but Gail jumped in the way of his attack and was killed. In his grief, he turned the weapon upon himself.

Not bad, for some reason while I was reading it I pictured the 'Thunderbirds' british t.v. show.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, theres a little bit of them in that. Regular humans with big brains solving problems.

 

[deemar325]

Thanks! I was afraid that my idea for Cardiac was a bit too EXTREME or something.

I guess to keep the topic going, since I mentioned some of their villians aside for Cardiac, may as well get into my takes on them, too, or at least how I would approach them here.

The most important note on some of the villians of Avengers: Next Generation would be that many of them would basically seek to get at the "old" Avengers through these kids; as in, since many of their real enemies in the "classic" Avengers are either off the roster or elsewhere or whatever, the general theme would be to focus on the kids not only to punish the older heroes (imagine how guilty, say, Cap or Vision might feel if their worst foes killed some Avengers wannabe's), but also to discourage other young heroes from doing the same (or even putting on tights in the first place, unless it was to join up with the Masters of Evil or the Lethal Legion). I could definately see some foes like Ultron or some of the Masters thinking "long game" here.

Of course, the problem with a lot of the Masters of Evil is that most of the "decent" members have gone good and become Thunderbolts. So I would probably be playing with some of the members that were left; without Zemo calling the shots, a new leader would emerge. Someone who is cunning enough not to get suckered into "planning too big" but would know how to stay focused on smaller prized, build up some successes and try to stay under radar. Someone who's also not bad at tinkering with some gadgets on the fly. Crimson Cowl and Graviton have led the team before, and Graviton really does need to get revived and amped up to Magneto-levels here. But I see an underrated villian coming to form now that some of the bigger shot Masters are preoccupied...Shocker. Yes, he was a member of the roster once. And his defeat at the hands of Young Avengers may have put some invested focus on allies, and on stopping even more troubles from arising. Now, Shocker's not going to be cackling and trying to take over the world. I'm talking about running the MOE like a gang, and him being a bit schrewd, a guy who knows when to cut his losses, escape clean, that sort of thing. Shocker knows what it is like to be on the bottom end of the crime chain, and about being a "goon", and that experience makes up for his lack of "boss arrogance".

As for Tiger Shark, I see him here as being a vicious, bruiser-thug who upon learning that Stringray is getting back in the game, now has a personal investment in an evil act aside for escaping from jail, working for someone else or knocking over a bank. Because the truth of the matter is, while Tiger Shark has usually been little more than B-List muscle for other villians, Stingray may not even rank that high. The Avengers would sooner call in D-Man or Moon Knight during a crisis than him. Naturally, to Stringray that is because he recuses himself for the sake of his wife and research, but he has his own self-doubts, and Tiger Shark knows this. As for the kids, he sees them as fresh meat in the water, and in the wild, sharks would eagerly go to gobble up some "young fish" just beginning to test their gills. I see him quietly invading the base and sneaking up on some of them, or trying too, like something out of a horror movie. Maybe taking out a few "fresh pup" heroes will up his rep a few meters. Sort of a mishmash of Sabretooth and Juggernaut I guess, but again, why do they have a monopoly on being sadistical or a relative-with-a-grudge, respectively? If it has worked for them for over 30 years...

I like especailly the Shocker part, how about a hero going evil.

 

[Anubis]

After Hector's death, Phinias retired the Moon Patrol and focused on his family. He and Alura had a son whom they named Thomas Hector Moon. (Or T.H. Moon) Phinias focused on simple science for the next few years until the Omega Hour Event of the late 70's. He felt that the Moon Patrol was now needed agian because if they had been around at the time they may have possibly been able to have nipped the problem in the bud before it happened. This of course compounded the guilt he already had over his brothers death with the lives lost like that of his close friend, Captain Cosmic. He restarted the Moon Patrol, with a Moon Base, and few new members. Roland Barnes, a young man whose DNA was altered during the Omega Hour event, giving him teleportation powers. JK97 or "Andy" as he would later be called. A synthetic being originally created by Hector, but never activated, until Phinias found him while going through his brothers lab. He posesses Super Strength, able to lift in excess of 40-50 tons. As well as various other armimants Phinias was able to attach such as lasers, sonic devices, crap like that. Alura, and Hank came back as well. And later, Thomas Moon would join the team at the age of 13. He posses his mothers flight abilites and some of her telepathic abilites.

This second incarnation of the Moon Patrol had quite a few adventures, including a couple of run-ins with Zoman agian, as well as fighting valiantly in the Badoon/Shi' Ahir War. (see? Some stuff stays the same, but just different.) They also helped stop a civil war of the Celestial ones. They also came into contact with a group of twelve beings known as the Zodiac. They eventually recruited one of it's membes. Virgo (Healing and manipulation of nature.) Phinias eventually died, at the age of 62. Giving his life to stop a 5-D bomb from destroying the universe. Before transporting the weapon to the inbetween, he gave leadership of the Moon Patrol over to his son, T.H. Moon, who continues the team to this day alongside his wife, Virgo of the tweleve Zodiac. (Those Moons and there banging higher beings huh?) They also still have Andy, and Ronald, as well as another junior member, Reba Moon, Thomas' daughter. (Light manipulation and telepathy.)

 

[Anubis]

I've been reading Alan Moore and J.H. Williams III's Promethea lately and I just wanna say, it's a god damn shame that he will never get a shot at Dr. Strange. I mean, the way he's been explaining the concept of magic throughout this series has just blown my mind. It's even gotten me interested in reading works on Magic and metaphysical concepts of life and exsistance. And When I think of what he could have done with this particular section of the MU, it just makes me think it's such a waste. The guys brilliant, but he needs to learn to let s**t go. So, I guess "How I would do" Dr. Strange is I would just give the character to Alan Moore and let him do whatever the f**k he wanted with him.

 

[deemar325]

I've been reading Alan Moore and J.H. Williams III's Promethea lately and I just wanna say, it's a god damn shame that he will never get a shot at Dr. Strange. I mean, the way he's been explaining the concept of magic throughout this series has just blown my mind. It's even gotten me interested in reading works on Magic and metaphysical concepts of life and exsistance. And When I think of what he could have done with this particular section of the MU, it just makes me think it's such a waste. The guys brilliant, but he needs to learn to let s**t go. So, I guess "How I would do" Dr. Strange is I would just give the character to Alan Moore and let him do whatever the f**k he wanted with him.

WORD!!!

I gotta start reading some more his stuff. I got LOEG, Tom Strong, Greyshirt, From Hell, Watchmen, and some odd Swampthing issues not many.

 

[Anubis]

You should try Top Ten. Thats one of his best in my opinion.

 

[deemar325]

I got it, forgot about that. I haven't cracked open my boxes in a while.

 

[Dread]

Not a bad idea with Shocker and the MOE. I could see it working with him getting an upgrade in the super villian community. Kinda like Captain Cold from the Flash books. He started out as a lame villian with a cold gun and a parka, but with the right personality tweaks, he's become one of the best villians in the DCU. Focusing on his honor among theives beliefs. Not to mention simply knowing a lot about your powers and what you can do with them is always a good way to make a "lame" villian or hero better. I think it could work.

That's how I basically pictured it. Marvel is so quick to make any decent villian of theirs who amasses any sort of popularity into an "anti-hero" or hero that it neglects a lot of other solid rogues.

Also expect Graviton to hit some big leagues. He's a "Maggia" person, let's make him something larger, like the Kingpin of the Middle America and beyond. Unlike Magneto, he's not clouded by an ideal of some sort; he just seems to be out to make money like a lot of crooks. And he is enourmously powerful, having battled the Avengers and Thunderbolts at times.

And I agree about Moore, Dr. Strange, and Marvel Magic.

And solid ideas yourself.

I like especailly the Shocker part, how about a hero going evil.

Honestly, I get a bit tired of the "obligatory teammate goes evil" sort of deal, because it seems to come with the team format so much that I almost tire of it. ULTIMATES has sort of gone to the extreme with it, relying almost every arc on it. I suppose I would be more like RUNAWAYS; deal with it early, but keep on some honest-to-goodness team soap and heroics. The closest I could see would be Dusk & Prodigy's beginning vendetta against Wolverine. But after that while they would still be on a sort of dark-angst sort of thing, they would be vital teammates. I mean, maybe if they come to a tough situation, Squirrel Girl might think, "What would Iron Man do?" and Dusk might retort, "No, that's being a drone; what are WE going to do?" They wouldn't be about honoring the adults or letting the adult heroes get a "pass" because of fame or connections to their actions.

 

[Anubis]

I think you might be able to make some of the villians more potent if there simply wasn't so much focus on the NY area. I hate to bring up DC agian, but I just kinda like the way that the heros are spread out more. You got the Flashes in Central/Keystone city, you got SUpes in Metropolus, you got Bats in Gotham, you got the JSA in NY, hell, even the Hawks have St. Roch. That way, villians can actually get away with a crime here or there because there isn't like 50 heros to a block in one city. Perfect example, Starman, now for a good long time, Starman was the only hero in Opal city. And if a villian wanted to get something inparticular out of that city, you would just have to distract Starman long enough to get what you need. So, start a crimewave. Move in a ton of criminals, theives, robbers, and just all go nuts with simaltanious acts of violence and looting. Whle the heros running around putting out fires and junk, the Mist makes off with his fusion generator or whatever. Now can you really see something like that being pulled off in Marvel's New York? Of course not. Too many heros consintrated in one spot. It's just something i've really been having a problem with in the MU.

 

[deemar325]

That's how I basically pictured it. Marvel is so quick to make any decent villian of theirs who amasses any sort of popularity into an "anti-hero" or hero that it neglects a lot of other solid rogues.

Also expect Graviton to hit some big leagues. He's a "Maggia" person, let's make him something larger, like the Kingpin of the Middle America and beyond. Unlike Magneto, he's not clouded by an ideal of some sort; he just seems to be out to make money like a lot of crooks. And he is enourmously powerful, having battled the Avengers and Thunderbolts at times.

And I agree about Moore, Dr. Strange, and Marvel Magic.

And solid ideas yourself.


Honestly, I get a bit tired of the "obligatory teammate goes evil" sort of deal, because it seems to come with the team format so much that I almost tire of it. ULTIMATES has sort of gone to the extreme with it, relying almost every arc on it. I suppose I would be more like RUNAWAYS; deal with it early, but keep on some honest-to-goodness team soap and heroics. The closest I could see would be Dusk & Prodigy's beginning vendetta against Wolverine. But after that while they would still be on a sort of dark-angst sort of thing, they would be vital teammates. I mean, maybe if they come to a tough situation, Squirrel Girl might think, "What would Iron Man do?" and Dusk might retort, "No, that's being a drone; what are WE going to do?" They wouldn't be about honoring the adults or letting the adult heroes get a "pass" because of fame or connections to their actions.

Fair enough.

 

[Zoken]

Yet another edition to my UMC2-verse.
Guardians of the Galaxies!
Xavin: a super Skrull who dreams of peace in the galaxies. Together with her queen, she has brought peace between the Tarnax system and Majesdane. Now she seeks to help spread peace.

Karolina Dean: Leader of the Majesdane communal, she is now a confidant and persuasive leader. she is the strongest of her people having grown up on earth, rather than on Majesdane. along with her lover, Xavin, the two are the head of what they call the Interstellar Alliance.

Hannah Connover: A human brood queen with grand ideas of how the brood should be. she and her "children" are a peaceful speices, where the host retains most of their free will. She still struggles every day to control her powers and control her mind.

Ego: Seventeen years ago the Kree defeated the living planet named Ego. they destroyed his physical form, but were on the verge of unleashing something far worse, and so the high priestess cast the consiousness and power of Ego into an infant. that Infant has lived its life in isolation, locked away, and kept cruelly alone on a Kree Prison ship. when the ship came across and attacked an Interstellar Alliance vessle, it was destroyed, but Ego was not. Now the teenager with the powers of a planet (Gravity manipulation, volcanic emmissions, weather manipulation (When on a planet) animal and plant manipulation) is free and trying to discover why he is so strange and what he is meant to be.

Kree: the Kree, lead by Rylus-Vell, are still after the Skrull, and now by extention the Brood and the Majesdane. they've become a vicous people that will stop at nothing to destroy their enemies.

The Gods of Might and Knowledge: Bruce Banner was left on an isolated planet, thought to be deserted. it was not. upon this planet there were two "Intelligent" race. one of enourmous and strong monstrosities, and the other of weaker ape-like beings. the weaker ape-like beings (The Pendeks) were subjgated by the larger stronger Ravveniods, until the Hulk came to their world. now in a territory freed from the Ravvenoid's control, a tribe of Pendeks live and worship the Mighty God they see the Hulk as, and the Wise God they see Banner as. But as the new war between the Kree and the Alliance moves toward this isolated planet, things will not be well long.

 

[Dread]

Good stuff, Zoken.

I think you might be able to make some of the villians more potent if there simply wasn't so much focus on the NY area. I hate to bring up DC agian, but I just kinda like the way that the heros are spread out more. You got the Flashes in Central/Keystone city, you got SUpes in Metropolus, you got Bats in Gotham, you got the JSA in NY, hell, even the Hawks have St. Roch. That way, villians can actually get away with a crime here or there because there isn't like 50 heros to a block in one city. Perfect example, Starman, now for a good long time, Starman was the only hero in Opal city. And if a villian wanted to get something inparticular out of that city, you would just have to distract Starman long enough to get what you need. So, start a crimewave. Move in a ton of criminals, theives, robbers, and just all go nuts with simaltanious acts of violence and looting. Whle the heros running around putting out fires and junk, the Mist makes off with his fusion generator or whatever. Now can you really see something like that being pulled off in Marvel's New York? Of course not. Too many heros consintrated in one spot. It's just something i've really been having a problem with in the MU.

To add to this, the thing with DC is that most of their "cities" are essentially "fake" cities, cities that the DC heads invented that may be based on real ones, but aren't. Gotham, Central City, Opal City, etc., are all fictional cities even if Gotham is based on Manhattan and so on. Marvel, on the other hand, is more closely attuned to the "real world" with its major cities, although they do have "made up" areas like Atlantis and the Savage Land. In a way that limits Marvel because they are based in NYC and most of their writers hail from NYC, and therefore that is their closest base of reference. Plus, it may not be so easy for, say, a new writer on a title to move their star out of NYC unless that title is THE INCREDIBLE HULK or something.

I do agree with you, though, that the Marvel Heroes are too NYC centered, and aside for that and maybe some areas of CA, your hero pickings are rather slim. That's why many of my ideas here focus on "networks of villians" that control middle America and maybe even some other outside nations or whatnot, the places that usually go unnoticed.

Of course, a series like GRAVITY is only possible in an overcrammed NYC; one of the main details of the series was how a novice hero with capable powers could engage in a superhero career in NYC and not even get noticed because it's too crammed, yet is the only place TO get noticed; much like Hollywood.

 

[Anubis]

Yet another edition to my UMC2-verse.
Guardians of the Galaxies!
Xavin: a super Skrull who dreams of peace in the galaxies. Together with her queen, she has brought peace between the Tarnax system and Majesdane. Now she seeks to help spread peace.

Karolina Dean: Leader of the Majesdane communal, she is now a confidant and persuasive leader. she is the strongest of her people having grown up on earth, rather than on Majesdane. along with her lover, Xavin, the two are the head of what they call the Interstellar Alliance.

Hannah Connover: A human brood queen with grand ideas of how the brood should be. she and her "children" are a peaceful speices, where the host retains most of their free will. She still struggles every day to control her powers and control her mind.

Ego: Seventeen years ago the Kree defeated the living planet named Ego. they destroyed his physical form, but were on the verge of unleashing something far worse, and so the high priestess cast the consiousness and power of Ego into an infant. that Infant has lived its life in isolation, locked away, and kept cruelly alone on a Kree Prison ship. when the ship came across and attacked an Interstellar Alliance vessle, it was destroyed, but Ego was not. Now the teenager with the powers of a planet (Gravity manipulation, volcanic emmissions, weather manipulation (When on a planet) animal and plant manipulation) is free and trying to discover why he is so strange and what he is meant to be.

Kree: the Kree, lead by Rylus-Vell, are still after the Skrull, and now by extention the Brood and the Majesdane. they've become a vicous people that will stop at nothing to destroy their enemies.

The Gods of Might and Knowledge: Bruce Banner was left on an isolated planet, thought to be deserted. it was not. upon this planet there were two "Intelligent" race. one of enourmous and strong monstrosities, and the other of weaker ape-like beings. the weaker ape-like beings (The Pendeks) were subjgated by the larger stronger Ravveniods, until the Hulk came to their world. now in a territory freed from the Ravvenoid's control, a tribe of Pendeks live and worship the Mighty God they see the Hulk as, and the Wise God they see Banner as. But as the new war between the Kree and the Alliance moves toward this isolated planet, things will not be well long.

Good stuff Zoken So, that thing with the Hulk, thats whats going on now with Planet Hulk? Love the way you adapt whats going on now with how your future MU will look. And I'm really diggin that Ego thing.

 

[deemar325]

Good stuff, Zoken.


To add to this, the thing with DC is that most of their "cities" are essentially "fake" cities, cities that the DC heads invented that may be based on real ones, but aren't. Gotham, Central City, Opal City, etc., are all fictional cities even if Gotham is based on Manhattan and so on. Marvel, on the other hand, is more closely attuned to the "real world" with its major cities, although they do have "made up" areas like Atlantis and the Savage Land. In a way that limits Marvel because they are based in NYC and most of their writers hail from NYC, and therefore that is their closest base of reference. Plus, it may not be so easy for, say, a new writer on a title to move their star out of NYC unless that title is THE INCREDIBLE HULK or something.

I do agree with you, though, that the Marvel Heroes are too NYC centered, and aside for that and maybe some areas of CA, your hero pickings are rather slim. That's why many of my ideas here focus on "networks of villians" that control middle America and maybe even some other outside nations or whatnot, the places that usually go unnoticed.

Of course, a series like GRAVITY is only possible in an overcrammed NYC; one of the main details of the series was how a novice hero with capable powers could engage in a superhero career in NYC and not even get noticed because it's too crammed, yet is the only place TO get noticed; much like Hollywood.

Yep.

 

[deemar325]

I wish marvel would spread out the heroes more, but on an editoral mandate.

"Go West young Man" or South.

 

[Anubis]

There are alot of characters that simply can't leave NY because the city is so tied to them. Like Spider-Man. Can't see him going anywhere else. But I don't know, I think after getting outted, and going to jail, Daredevil might be in store for a change of scenery. But I can't see him staying in one place for long. And it would be an interesting story. Don't know if Bru will take it that route though.

But the New Warriors can go, (They already have really what with that god awful mini they had recently.) Whats left of the Slingers might do well to move on. The Thunderbolts too. If anything good comes out of this whole Civil war thing, I hope it's that the heros make some effort to move out of New York.