"Any move I make on Bane or the bomb..."

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  1. TDKR2012 A FIRE WILL RISE

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    Bruce to Lucius in the Bat-Bunker:

    "Any move I make on Bane or the bomb... the trigger man sets it off"


    Then why did they attack Bane's stronghold at City Hall with the police force? :huh::huh::huh:
     
  2. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    ....good question lol.
     
  3. DerTommissar Registered

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    Gordon's task is to prevent that scenario with the portable EMP device.

    And time is not on their side, (nor is Miranda).
     
  4. Anno_Domini Registered

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    Sometimes it seems like people don't even pay attention to the movie...as Blake said, maybe you should start paying attention to the details, lol.

    This was said before Fox brought out the EMP from The Bat because they needed something to disable the bomb's connection with the trigger otherwise if Batman just showed up, the trigger would be set off; Batman wasn't dumb, he was aware that if he showed up to fight Bane with no one disabling the trigger, Gotham would be blown to bits. Fox got that EMP and Batman handed it to Gordon to go after the bomb while Batman goes after Bane.
     
  5. Micromind New World New Rules

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    ^^ Agreed.

    Fox provided an EMP device that would would render the trigger useless and that gave Batman a chance to get the nuke back to bunker under the river so that it could be attached back to it's original power reactor that would prevent it from going off (it would stabilize the core.)

    Also, not much time was left so Batman and Cops decided on an all out war on Bane and his Army, here Batman was hoping to get hold of Trigger from Bane (just in case, Gordon is not able to trace the location of nuke device on one of the trucks as Gordon has to place the EMP device near the that.)
     
  6. TDKR2012 A FIRE WILL RISE

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    Ya, but Gordon managed to put the trigger blocker on the bomb sometime DURING the battle,

    When the police charged with the mercs, it was long before Gordon even managed to locate the real truck with the bomb. Bane woulda just detonated the bomb upon seeing the police charge.
     
  7. AnneFan Hathaway #1

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    Talia's deception regarding the device's true location slowed him down, certainly.
    Talia had the trigger, and in her mind Gordon was fumbling around looking for the bomb, which he found just in time.
     
  8. Micromind New World New Rules

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    As I said Gordon had to locate the Truck carrying the bomb and had to place the EMP device near the bomb to make the trigger useless, but doing that was tricky as there were three (?) such trucks.

    Bane was threatening to blow off the city but as Cops charged the bomb was counting down already, so there was really no need to use the trigger, something that Bane knew.

    Batman had no way of knowing if the EMP device was planted or not he tried to get the trigger from Bane (just to be safe.)

    As the device was already in the final stages of count down, there was little possibility of Bane actually using the trigger (or at least that's how Batman calculated.)
     
  9. Anno_Domini Registered

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    But he didn't. Bane didn't even have the trigger, Talia did. Talia was planning on making her reveal anyways and right when she pressed the trigger, boom...Gordon disabled it. It was perfect timing.
     
  10. Micromind New World New Rules

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    Also, why would Bane use the Trigger after seeing Batman ? He would have wanted to beat Batman again, and Bane thought that Bane's Army who was armed with firepower against Cops (only few of them had guns.) would win.

    Bane was overconfident in the battle, and he knew that bomb was already counting down so it was supposed to blow off that day so Bane was not really thinking of using the trigger but rather defeating Batman and Cops again.

    This was one of the reasons why Batman wanted the Battle to take place on that final day, he sort of tricked Bane.
     
  11. The_Fire_Rises Registered

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    The basic summary of Bruce and Fox's conversation is:

    Bruce: any move I make on Bane or the bomb, trigger man makes bomb explode.
    Fox: the EMP machine from The Bat can block the signal from the trigger.
    Bruce: awesome

    Did you miss the bulk of their conversation? :confused:
     
  12. TDKR2012 A FIRE WILL RISE

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    ????

    The EMP blocker ONLY WORKS if it is mounted on the bomb!!!!!!!!

    it wasn't mounted on the bomb until right before Talia pulled the trigger... Batman/The Cops had already started the war!
     
  13. Deserana 2005/2008/2012

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    I'm guessing it being Batman leading the charge changed things a little. If it was just a random guy they probably would have blown it to hell but I'm guessing Miranda wanted to reveal who she was first.
     
  14. bane TEH PUFFY

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    You guys are seriously nitpicking the hell out of this movie!What about Bruce saving Ducard at the begining of BB(holding on one arm and pulling up a 200+ lbs man)?
    What about all the crazy Joker plans in TDK that came out of nowhere(like the hospital scene) or Batman falling with Rachel with half his cape spread?I can go on and on pointing flaws of the previous movies, yet only this movie gets hate...It just baffles me!?
     
  15. Micromind New World New Rules

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    And that was what Gordon was attempting to do, it just that he took some time for that but Gordon managed to place the EMP device to block any signal from the trigger before Talia could set it off.

    Batman could not wait to know whether Gordon was actually successful or not, What if Gordon failed ? (to locate the core and place the EMP device near it.)

    Then the ONLY option left was to get hold of the trigger but then every minute counted and declaring a war on Bane and his goons just minutes before detonation would have made no sense, so Batman had to lead the cops into war and try to get hold of the trigger.
     
  16. DerTommissar Registered

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    TDKR2012,

    Yes, what you say is true.

    But as I said above, "Time is not on their side, (nor is Miranda)".

    The conflict is set in motion...Gordon and Batman are working as fast as they can. They have to "divide and conquer". And things aren't necessarily going their way. It's war.

    And this is even more interesting: We see Miranda watching the street battle and the rematch between Bane and Batman.

    Why doesn't she hit the trigger??? BECAUSE THIS IS PERSONAL. Batman/Bruce showing up on the battlefield fans the flames of Talia and Bane's desire for revenge. She wants to see Batman taken down by Bane. When that doesn't happen, she waits to get the knife into Batman herself...for personal gratification.

    And it is her undoing.
     
  17. Micromind New World New Rules

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    She (Talia) is also aware of the fact that the fact that Gordon is searching for the Truck carrying the nuke and that he plans to put an EMP device near the nuke to render trigger useless but she still does not hit the trigger as she is hoping that Bane will Once again defeat Batman.
     
  18. shauner111 Registered

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    It's REALLY irritating. Yes, Nolan tries to make this as realistic as one can make Batman but this is still a Batman movie at the end of the day. The nitpicking here is really stupid. Just enjoy the damn movie! I just look at the other comic book movies that are out there, as well as the past Batman movies and im thankful we have this trilogy. Because the level of acting, writing, filmmaking is on a whole other level...even with its mistakes.

    Just enjoy the movie as the director shot it, and stop nitpicking every second thing you see. Do people have to look for the negatives all the time!? Jesus. I can watch any movie that's ever been released and sit there and nitpick every little thing but i dont because it's ridiculous. The director intended on a movie being a certain way, accept it.

    I seriously dont mind the odd "i dont like THAT part, i dont like this actor" OK it's a part of being on a forum....but when you nitpick the hell out of every important plot point. Come on. Just wait for the reboot to see if that Batman meets your needs as a fan, if you're gonna be like that.
     
  19. DerTommissar Registered

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    Bruce_Begins,

    Don't mean to nitpick your post, (forgive me):

    I think Talia is smart so she fakes Gordon out with the first empty truck. But I do not think Talia is aware of Gordon's portable EMP device.

    Excerpt from script:

    Talia arms the trigger...

    She hits the button - nothing.

    A Mercenary steps forward -

    MERCENARY
    The truck’s under attack -

    Talia looks around, mind racing.

    TALIA
    Gordon. (To Batman.) You gave him a
    way to block my signal. No matter -
    (Looks at watch.) He’s bought
    Gotham eleven minutes. (Shouts at
    Mercenary.) Prepare a convoy. We
    must secure the bomb until it
    detonates.
     
  20. Micromind New World New Rules

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    No problem. What you have posted makes sense, I may have forgotten that Talia was not aware of the EMP device. She thinks that Gordon wants to tag (and identify) the Truck carrying the nuke core so that it could be reattached to the clean energy prototype generator equipment under the river, to stabilize the nuke core so that it's countdown could be stopped.

    So, Talia was tricked too, into believing that she could still hit the trigger to set it off, but apparently she wanted a personal revenge and hoped that Bane would defeat Batman, when Bane failed she stabbed Batman and then tried to hit the trigger, but by then Gordon had already set the EMP device to block the trigger, so Taila decided to make sure the nuke was secure before it's countdown was completed.
     
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  21. Deserana 2005/2008/2012

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    It depends on the nitpicking. This kind of nitpicking is fine IMO saying stuff like Batman said this "blah blah blah" so why would he do this.... but then leaving it at that. It's just pointing out inconsistencies.

    It's nitpicking where people say Batman said this "blah blah blah" so why would he do this owh muy gawdzzz Nolan ruieend teh movehhhh ha so much 4 realisticcc. THAT is annoying. Or when the things are soo small like how would JGL fit in the batsuit?

    Saying "How did Bruce just get back in to an entriely occupied city?" is a perfectly valid thing to say IMO.
     
  22. bane TEH PUFFY

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    No, it's not, didn't you watch BB?How did Bruce dissappear for so long and nobody was able to recognize him?But, but he had a beard, so?
    Did you really need to see a scene of Bruce arriving with a plane in TDKR or whatever other way Nolan would have thought of for Bruce to get back to Gotham.He's the mother****ing Batman, that's how he came back!
    The scene wasn't needed, it would have dragged the movie even more, I mean, do you need to see everything that happens with these characters?I haven't seen Batman take a piss or a **** for that matter. "Damn you Nolan for not showing me this important scene of Batman taking a piss, when all of Gotham is about to be demolished!!!!11ONE"
    This is just an extreme case of nitpicking from fans, that I can't understand.
     
  23. Deserana 2005/2008/2012

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    Yeah I watched BB, quite a few times actually but it only showed that Bruce was great a travelling the world. Okay thats good and tells us how Bruce got back to Gotham but not how he got in.
    Maybe not see it but a little mention would have been okay. The plot revolved around how Gotham is under occupation being obviously monitored at every entrance and exit.
    This excuse needs to stop for everything. Honestly it is fine for a few things but saying "He's Batman" for every point made becomes funny. He maybe Batman but he had nothing to get back in to the city, no suit and no gadgets. If anything its quite intriguing to know.
    And here comes the typical over exaggeration. Somehow a fairly valid complaint of how a hero with no gadgets or help got into a city occupied by an entire army is met with "do you need to see every waking minute of every second of every minute of every hour of this guys life?" no I don't but I'd say it would be nice to this information that does effect the plot. A simply saying "he's Batman" really doesn't cut it.

    I am NOT saying such a nitpick ruins the film I am NOT saying this moment is a plot hole. I am simply saying it is a valid point to make on its own. The nitpick doesn't personally annoy me as he likely took out a few guards or maybe just sneaked past but I can see why it might annoy others. As long as it isn't followed by people saying "Nolan ruined the film by doing this" that particular point is valid and not severe nitpicking. Saying "JGL is to skinny to become Batman" IS a stupid nitpick to make.
     
  24. bane TEH PUFFY

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    I'm not dissagreeing with you, but I really wanted to see a scene in BB of Bruce getting stopped at the airport and asked who he was because "Bruce Wayne is declared dead".He has no documents, batsuit or gadgets, so how did he get to back Gotham?He must have made himself new documents, Nolan really needed to show that!
     
  25. Deserana 2005/2008/2012

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    When did Bruce go to an airport in BB? He had a private jet by the look of it when Alfred picked him up... probably landed anywhere. After his face was on the news and he was back in public I'm sure all was sorted.
     

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