But it does go against your apparent refusal to accept info that's been reported by the other numerous sites I mentioned. Why else would you be so hesitant in discrediting the info reported by IMDB regarding Bale's height despite the fact that you acknowledge they're not the most reliable site there is, particularly when a number of sources conflict with the info reported by them?
Please, do try to keep up with the conversation, champ. My refusal to 'accept' your view of the non-credibility of IMDb goes far beyond the simple part about Christian Bale's height. You seemed more than ready to condemn the whole site, simply based on a few mistakes.
The only other "source" you have is Bale's quote, concerning which you have yet to refute my point of him speaking rather casually and loosely in terms of both his height and weight instead of in exact, precise values.
CelebHeights.com, check it out kiddo.
The only one who's been waving slogans of premature and imaginary "victories" here is you, chump. Something I highlighted in my last post. Cram it in your head like the brain you never had.
Based on your recent statement, it seems to me that you've been doing just that.
Where did the "use the shadows at his advantage" argument come from? Are you imagining things, because not once in this ENTIRE THREAD did I ever argue with on that subject...
You pretented I said that I wanted him to be a "hulking menace", the "use the shadows at his advantage" and all the rest was presented, in order to show you that I hadn't said sucha thing. It was an example of the kind of comment I had made about what I wanted Batman to be like... if you can find anywhere a quote of me saying that I want him to be a "hulking menace", you're a magician... otherwise you're just being delirious. Heck, I even recall talking about not wanting him to be like a body builder or anything like that.
Also, the word "hulking menace" is but an anology to describe his appearance in relation to the size you want to see him in.
There's a heck of a difference between being a "hulking menace" and simply being taller and somewhat bigger. I don't want to see Hulk in a Batman suit.
Having trouble getting your own words straight? You outright said your preference of wanting Batman to be bigger than the "average man" was derived from instances in the comics and the cartoons where he was drawn as such. And in those incarnations, he is clearly a "hulking menace", at least in a comparitive sense. Now, do you get it, Little Lukey?
Being bigger than the "average man" doesn't emply that he's a "hulking menace". Plus, you and I both agree that he's been portrayed in a variety of ways over the years and I said I prefered the interpretations of him as been taller, not a Hulk-like creature of the night. You're trying to twist my words in an attempt to use them against me, but it's not really working. Silly kid.
How on earth does your absurd claim of Bale being shorter than Cain in the film, as you put it very clearly in your own words...
...not have anything to do with Bale's height?
Exactly. Check back the part I said didn't have anything to do with Bale's height...
We're talking about the height I want Batman to be and Bale's height.
No, you added the part about Batman needing to be in proportion with other characters in the movie (or namely, the only two characters in the movie that are taller than him) after your senseless claim of Batman not being taller than the "average man" in Begins was thrown out in the garbage.
I had to "add" it, because you talked about the fact that in the comics or cartoons, it might have been everyone else that was made smaller, to contrast with the officially 6'2'' Batman. By doing so, you proved my argument that Batman was taller than the "average man", but in order for that to be the case, things need to be kept in proportion. Once doesn't really go without the other, that's why it's not actually "added", jacky-boy.
I don't see anyone would want to prioritize Batman's height so much, especially when the actor in question particularly matches the profile of the character which automatically makes your point a moot one to begin with. Your asinine proposition about recasting shorter actors movie simply because only two freakin' characters are taller than him kills any hope of an intellectual debate with you.
You complain about my [/Sarcasm], but when it's not there, you just can't understand a sarcastic remark when you see one. Of course it's absurd to recast all the roles, just to make Batman look taller, that's part of what sarcasm is all about. If you had been paying attention, you would've noticed that I talked about not wanting to recast people, as I said that I thought Bale did a good job. It doesn't mean that I can't say I would've prefered a taller Batman... heck, if Christian Bale was taller, that would be great.
Again, you need to wrap your empty little head around the simple, but indubitable fact that one's expression of the pointlessness of a "pointless" subject does not constitute "crying". It's only a remark on the nature of the topic at hand.
A pointless remark about the pointlessness of a "pointless" subject...
Yeah, that's pretty much like crying for no reason. No one really cares anyway.
Here, I'll lay it all down for you nice and simple -
First of all, I never said that I had a problem with Ra's being taller than Bruce, and unless you have clear cut words to quote me on that, you're only deluding yourself with your own assumptions about something I never implied in the first place. And frankly, it is absurd to think that you can hold me responsible for conjecture cooked up by yourself based on your apparent incompetence in understanding my words.
Secondly, my whole argument with you on this entire matter is a testification of that very truth. Because I don't have a problem with it is the VERY REASON why I argue with people who do.
I never said you said you had a problem with Ra's being taller than Bruce, kiddo.
Let's have a look at what you said, shall we?
The only ones who are taller than they're supposed to is Ra's, Alfred and Fox. And they're not so tall as they completely dwarf Bruce Wayne. They just seem a little bit taller. It's somewhat acceptable for Ra's to be a but taller because he plays Bruce's mentor, is the main villain and because of Neeson's jackpot performance. Fox? He was never as significant a character (neither in the film nor in the comics), so it's not that big of a problem. As for Alfred, well he is just as tall as Bruce so again I don't take that big an issue with it. At least not as big as indulge myself into a lengthy debate for it.
You see, it was clear that you didn't have an issue with this, that was never the point of what I said. My whole point was about the
reasons why that was the case. The way you presented it makes it clear that some of the reasons you don't "take that big an issue" with the height of Ra's is because he's "Bruce's mentor and the main villain", which went along with my conception of a taller Batman.
Open your eyes, chump. This argument went down that road long back. Because hurling condescending remarks like "jackie-boy" and "bobby" are hardly any less insulting.
Ah, you feel insulted by those remarks? I thought we were just joking around...
After that,
I'm supposed to be the "emo chick"? Where's all that confrontational aggresiveness you've been talking about?
And what was wrong with that comment?
Oy, you are lost... you should know, you're the one that posted it.
You claimed that the suit would provide Bale with the added height he needed to be the "perfect Batman", but when I presented your own statement to you, you claimed it wasn't 'right' and that it was simply used to "shut people up" that were complaining about Bale's height.
Why argue with irrelevant examples when there are more appropriate ones out there? Does Keaton's Batman being shorter than the Joker have an impact on the story itself in any way, whatsoever?
It's not just a question of "story", it can affect the dynamic between the characters. And yes, it had an impact in Batman '89. You clearly stated earlier that the fact that Ra's was Bruce's mentor and the main villain, it made it okay for him to be taller, therefore height has an impact, depending on who or what the character is... I felt it affected Batman '89 negatively. I'm not taking anything away from the actual performance of Keaton, nor Bale.
Average height would be around 5'10. And Batman is undeniably more taller than that in the film, and just about everyone else he encounters, save for only two characters. But since those two characters don't constitute "an average person" even in the film's own universe nor do they dispute the fact that Batman is clearly bigger, both in mass and height than almost anyone he encounters, your redundant argument falls flat on it's face yet again for the umpteenth time.
Eh eh... "more taller". I know, I know, it's a cheap shot, I just find those funny.
Moving on. It's possible to say that Batman in Begins is "taller than the average man", but it's such a minimal difference that it ends up not having any real worth. At the end of the movie, I still felt as though Batman ( and Bruce Wayne ) were not as tall as they should be. Did it ruin the movie for me? No. Did it annoy me to a certain extend? Yes. Plus, we can't forget Tom Wilkinson, who's also bigger than Bruce... and all the rest, which aren't significantly smaller than him ( Bruce ).
But that still doesn't provide for your baseless statement that his height had any kind of impact on the story of the film in any way whatsoever.
Part of the story is up to interpretation and the relationships between the characters or simply the dynamic between them is relevant to the story. If those are changed, it can change the aspect of the story. You have to look deeper than the simple plot or scenario.
How many times do I have to say this? It's not the horns alone, but a combination of the horns with the thick cowl and the buffed up bodysuit that gives the amplified illusion of him being even bigger in mass and height (albeit to a slight extent).
You don't have to repeat it, as I had made it clear that although the cowl, the costume and the boots DID contribute to making Batman look slightly bigger and taller, the horns didn't have any kind of significant impact on the perception of height of the character. Unless you're completely blind to the notion of 'illusion'.
No, it was simply an appropriate reply to your half-witted quote. It's really quite amusing to see you joke around like a clown but having trouble comprehending the same if someone else pulls a joke on you.
Silly, I was joking too.
Brace yourself for this one...it's called: Common sense!
Caine isn't even standing an arm's length behind Bale in that pic, let alone "a meter or more" as you so inanely claim.
I never "claimed" he was a meter away, that was part of the example I gave, to make you understand perspective, I thought that was pretty clear. Should've known you wouldn't understand... pity.
Caine's other leg is very much straight. And a slightly bent knee accounts for less than a quarter inch of difference in height. You seem so hilariously desperate grasping for any fraction of inches you could get your pitiful hands on to support your meaningless banter, I can't keep myself from bursting into uncontrolled fits of laughter!
What curve in the neck? What bent spine? You can't make out details like that from a picture taken directly from the front. If you're so sure of what you see, why not zoom in on the part referring to and highlight it for us?
How about this then?
Didn't you say you saw the movie? If you did, you'd know it's clear as day his back is slightly bent, like most old people. Plus, this pic clearly shows that, if his back was straight, he'd be even taller than Bale. Add to that the fact that he's shrinking, slightly... and voilà!
Of course he is slightly less than 6'2 now. That's why he looks a bit shorter than Bale. In both pics.
See the above pic for refutal, thank you.
Unfortunately for you, it's not the case...
Or more like getting ahead of yourself, toddler.
No, my first idea was better... enthusiasm.
Yes, your "comments" regarding the pics have been taken into account. And subsequently discared as well.
Guess again, cap'tain.
Why? Feeling uncorfortable with someone trying to remind you of your true sexuality? Repression is bad for mental and physical health, luv.
Hmm... look here folks, we're starting to see a clear pattern of someone unconsciously obsessed. He's so far down that he's starting to treat other male members of SHH as "sweetie", "babe", "luv", talks about panties and even tries to question other people's sexuality. Verdict?
That's still way more than anything you managed to come up with so far, chump.
Images speak for me... yours and mine for that matter.
Uh...no they don't, skippy.
Unfortunately yeah, they do... sorry, bobby.
Oh this is sweet stuff all right.
You're telling me, I'm enjoying this since the beginning...
Uh-huh. But you're wrong.
Hmm, what was that again? Oh yeah, I'm right.
"Sweetie" and "babe" were only compliments keeping in mind your femininely hypersensitive qualities, dear. I'm sorry for you if whatever self-esteem you have left was hurt or amputated by the impression of being dominated like that.
Wait a sec, was there someone that felt insulted by our little 'name calling' game?
What? Phaser was? Dammit... fine, I have no other choice but to pass you the torch of hypersensitivity. You earned it kid, enjoy it.
So you actually took my comment "seriously" enough as to pull back and reconfirm your stance that you were NOT "serious"? You sure do have a way of blatantly giving yourself away there, chucky.
It's an old trick I've learned to prevent people from venturing into any territory, it worked perfectly. It forced you to 'come back to relatity', didn't it? Ah, the marvels of the human mind...
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