Arrow Arrow season 4 episode 18 "Eleven-Fifty-Nine"

[DigificWriter]

Felicity isn't going anywhere.

For whatever reason, Arrow changed their genre in S3 from Superhero action to Romantic Melodrama and their target demographic from 13-25 yo males to 12 year old girls.

She's here to stay. She'll probably be the new black canary and when they kill Oliver after the first 5 seasons they'll rename the show One Tree Felicity.

If this is a serious reaction, maybe it's better if you drop the show (although I have my doubts that you actually will).

 

[Justin]

If this is a serious reaction, maybe it's better if you drop the show (although I have my doubts that you actually will).

It's a semi mocking reaction, but there's truth behind it. The genre of the show and the target demographic has obviously changed from what it was in season one.

I don't believe they will rename the show Felicity or that they will kill Oliver Queen off. I would hope they wouldn't make her the black canary, although that would fit the way they've written her character thus far since the S3 finale.

And absolutely I'm dropping the show after this season. While I would never encourage others to do the same, I feel that the best way to voice dissatisfaction is to vote with your feet. Crying on a forum or signing a petition isn't going to effect anything.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

And with her death scene spoilt by the whole 'you are the love of my life.. but i ship Olicity' rubbish, I think I've come to the realisation that this show is no longer for me.

From what I've heard, it's exactly the opposite and IMO it makes sense. Anyone would say the same in real life: "Look, I know you love someone else, but I love you and I'm about to die so you need to know that, okay?" It's not Olicity 'shipping, it's a natural bit of dialogue when it's known that a character loves another, not her. How else would they have phrased it that didn't come off as awkward since we know Oliver still loves Felicity.

 

[Justin]

From what I've heard, it's exactly the opposite and IMO it makes sense. Anyone would say the same in real life: "Look, I know you love someone else, but I love you and I'm about to die so you need to know that, okay?" It's not Olicity 'shipping, it's a natural bit of dialogue when it's known that a character loves another, not her. How else would they have phrased it that didn't come off as awkward since we know Oliver still loves Felicity.

So lets say you are dying... and talking to someone you love.

You're going to talk about his/her ex-boyfriend/girlfriend? And it wasn't as you worded it, she said something like 'i'm so happy you found felicity'. Did you actually watch the scene? It was clearly done because for the first time in 3 episodes Felicity didn't beat the villain of the week or get 90% of the screentime and the writers needed her 'fans' not to feel that she had been forgotten.

I think, given that they are killing off one of the original cast members, and one of the few actual DC characters they haven't already killed off, the time could have been better spent to focus on Oliver and Laurel personally.

 

[Slade W]

So lets say you are dying... and talking to someone you love.

You're going to talk about his/her ex-boyfriend/girlfriend.

I don't think so. It was clearly done because for the first time in 3 episodes Felicity didn't beat the villain of the week or get 90% of the screentime and the writers needed her 'fans' not to feel that she had been forgotten.

I think, given that they are killing off one of the original cast members, and one of the few actual DC characters they haven't already killed off, the time could have been better spent to focus on Oliver and Laurel personally.

I actually think that it was a desperate, last ditch attempt to try and get fans of Laurel to like and become fans of Oliver and Felicity's relationship, because Laurel liked it .

 

[Mike Murdock]

Laurels death didn't deliver the numbers they probably wanted, it dropped a tenth.

The plot can't possibly affect the ratings (particularly something that wasn't promoted) because you have to watch it to find out what the plot is. That isn't to say people liked or disliked the episode, but people's like or dislike can only really affect the next episode.

 

[Justin]

The plot can't possibly affect the ratings (particularly something that wasn't promoted) because you have to watch it to find out what the plot is. That isn't to say people liked or disliked the episode, but people's like or dislike can only really affect the next episode.

Yeah. Also I doubt that the next episode will take too big a hit, despite the furor on twitter. It might even spike, for the funeral and the possibility of a fake out.
Plus people have invested 18 episodes, I should imagine most will want to see the ending.

The ratings drop will probably come next season. Like it did at the start of this one.

 

[MrSpyder]

Definitely expected. Emotional episode. 10/10

 

[metaphysician]

Well I hope DCEU BC fares better. The character deserves so much better than this.

As long as Snyder is in control? I wouldn't count on it. If he did introduce her, he'd probably include some comment about how, every time she uses her powers, all the normals in a two block radius suffer permanent hearing loss. Either that, or he'd use her as an old school damsel in distress sidekick for Oliver Queen, who'd inexplicably be a Randian anti-hero.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Arrow Is Dead, And Olicity Killed It

Forbes LOL.

 

[O'Haire]

 

[Antman2015]

Arrow Is Dead, And Olicity Killed It

Forbes LOL.

this was a dissappointing death hopefully the show is better off with one less character to butcher. i enjoyed seeing dahrk one-up the team with his "Ace" up his sleeve with andy Diggle. i almost wish Dahrk had played with them alil more before offing Laurel. i liked Cassidy so she will be missed heres to hoping Olicity dies or plays out of the forefront i give this ep a 5

 

[Kar]

The episode was okay. I can't believe they offed Laurel. I was starting think it was possible for her and Ollie to get something back but nope. Her send off was well done though. Real sad to see her go. I feel like she didn't get to live up to Black Canary the way Sara did. She still comes off as sidekicky to me sometimes with Oliver. Sara came off as more of an equal.

Andy has to die. I can't believe that happened. The twist seemed forced and honestly Diggle of all people should know about convincing someone to not trust your family (back in season 1.) And Malcolm really has to go now. Oliver has to kill him once and for all. He's extended his welcome since season 3.

Poor Lance.

 

[Quasimod0]

This episode was really exciting, and very emotional at the end. I think the death was well handled, but I'm really upset to see her go. She was the most level-headed of the team, and she was just starting to get some more focus. I mean just in this episode she had some great focus and development, without overshadowing others. Why can't it just be like that normally?! I hate when shows handle a character better in their last episode than they normally do.

 

[Pokkle]

Who knows? The guy's already lost 150% of his children at this point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/4dqza5/fan_contentspoilers_the_life_times_of_quentin/

 

[Dark Raven]

Most of the episode was good because of the almost complete lack of Felicity. I wonder why the writers decided to drastically reduce her role this week. I was surprised to see her show up at the end and do her melodramatic sobbing when Laurel passed.

What is that she wanted Ollie to promise her? It seems all rather sudden that she died. At first I thought that maybe he killed her as a mercy killing, but I suppose he could've faked her death too. We'll know soon enough. Maybe there's no-one actually in the grave.

Now that the nurses know that Black Canary is actually Laurel Lance, won't they figure out that the person who brought her in is probably Oliver Queen? It's not hard to figure out. And where was the Green Arrow when Black Canary died? Why wasn't he there along with his band of merry men? Instead it was Canary's "civilian" friends, who coincidentally all look like Team Arrow.

Is Darkhe going to expose Ollie and his team's identities now?

Also, if she died, how come Ollie never made reference to that in the future when Sara and the team of the Wave Rider visited Star Feli-City in the future? Obviously that was filmed and written before this episode, but shouldn't Ollie have made reference to her death? Did he say whether Laurel was still alive or not?

 

[b_boy]

...
Also, if she died, how come Ollie never made reference to that in the future when Sara and the team of the Wave Rider visited Star Feli-City in the future? Obviously that was filmed and written before this episode, but shouldn't Ollie have made reference to her death? Did he say whether Laurel was still alive or not?

On that alternate future he said to Sara that her family stayed in the city and died fighting the uprising. Since Oliver likes to hide information/lie and not tell things, and he was "old" he could have mistaken thought that she died on the uprising but it was in another city treat level. But they were all dead on that future (except Felicity, who left the city - sorry, had to do it lol)

 

[regnak]

Guggenheim may not have decided who to kill when they ep was written.

 

[Dark Raven]

Wonder if felicity is gonna be mad that Laurel didn't check with her before dying.

 

[JC00]

As long as Snyder is in control? I wouldn't count on it. If he did introduce her, he'd probably include some comment about how, every time she uses her powers, all the normals in a two block radius suffer permanent hearing loss. Either that, or he'd use her as an old school damsel in distress sidekick for Oliver Queen, who'd inexplicably be a Randian anti-hero.

or she'd be a former prostitute from the escort service Oliver Queen used

 

[HighFivingMF]

Also, if she died, how come Ollie never made reference to that in the future when Sara and the team of the Wave Rider visited Star Feli-City in the future? Obviously that was filmed and written before this episode, but shouldn't Ollie have made reference to her death? Did he say whether Laurel was still alive or not?

Because nobody was supposed to know that before this episode.

 

[DigificWriter]

"Gone" pretty much covers Laurel's fate; it doesn't specifically spell out said fate, but it does cover it.

 

[fire117]

I think this episode is among the best of season 4 so far.

I'm glad Laurel was killed off. I never, ever liked her and not because of Olicity, but because i found her, annoying, whiny and not as good a Black Canary as Sarah was.

 

[DigificWriter]

I never, ever liked her and not because of Olicity, but because i found her, annoying, whiny and not as good a Black Canary as Sarah was.

Then you missed the point of her character completely.

 

[fire117]

Then you missed the point of her character completely.

Look I tried to like Laurel but I couldn't.

Some people just don't like certain characters in shows, films and books.