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Discussion in 'Politics' started by TheGuy, Jul 8, 2019.

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    Its pretty much inevitable now that the Taliban will take over most of the country, thereby restoring the country to how it was in the 1990s and rendering the last 20 years of NATO intervention and "nation-building" utterly futile.
     
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    #107 MagnarTheGreat, Aug 15, 2021
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    Sums it up really:

     
  6. Hobgoblin Veritas veritatum

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    The fact that the Afghan government fell apart so easily is a pretty huge embarrassment and screw up. At the same time, it’s been 20 years and if they hadn’t made it work by now, then it wasn’t going to.
     
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    All the money and all the training in the universe doesn’t matter if you don’t have the will to act.

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    The mistake wasn’t going after Osama bin Laden (who was ultimately found in Pakistan), it was the occupation.
     
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  8. InCali I got a pUpgrade!

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    I think that sums it up perfectly. As bad as I feel for some of those people, this had to happen. Could it have been orchestrated better? Probably, but, really folks, it was time.
     
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    Yes. The Bush Administration responded to 9/11 as though America had been attacked by a nation-state, rather than by a relatively small number of transnational extremists with no loyalty to any flag besides that of the caliphate.

    It was this same mentality that led to the invasion of Iraq.
     
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    The people to feel bad for are the Afghan people. especially women and ethnic minorities, who now face terrible repression at the hands of the Taliban.

    The whole "nation-building" mission was a complete failure. NATO comprehensively failed to build a strong, functional Afghan state and this is the result.
     
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    Yeah, that's precisely who I was thinking about. I just don't think the Afghan people, as a whole, really, really wanted what was being offered. If you don't have the full support of the people, there really isn't a "right" course of action.
     
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    I think it shows just how much of sham of a government the US was holding up.
     
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    Yes. Absolutely. The United States failed to build a credible Afghan state with the support of the majority of the population and this is the result.
     
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    February 2019:







    ABC News: "According to the Taliban, Trump told Baradar, 'It is a pleasure to talk to you. You are a tough people and have a great country, and I understand that you are fighting for your homeland. We have been there for 19 years, and that is a very long time, and withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghanistan now is in the interest of everyone.'" (March 2020)

    LA Times - Essential Politics: Biden pledges to leave Afghanistan. It's a withdrawal years in the making. (April 2021)

    NY Times - U.S. and Afghan Forces Killed More Civilians Than Taliban Did, Report Finds (2019)
     
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    Yes. I mean, even the Communist government managed to hold out for 3 years after the Soviets withdrew in '89 and might have lasted longer had the USSR not collapsed. The US-backed government couldn't even last 3 months without American support.
     
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    Its worth pointing out (as I've seen a number of observers do) that the situation now is arguably worse than it was pre-2001, since the Taliban never actually controlled all of Afghanistan from 1996-2001 (about 10% remained under the control of the Northern Alliance). Whereas now they control the whole country.
     
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    As ****ty as this withdrawal is, I just remember that Trump heard proposals to essentially let it become Erik Princes' personal country.
     
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