Comics Asm#567

[Dangerous]

Anyone read it yet?

Thoughts? ..

 

[arachnid-guy]

Yeah I have one without even reading the book...

This ain't yo Daddy's Spider-Man.

Or...oh wait...maybe it is as the editorials @ Marvel seem to want him at that place FOREVER and EVER and EVER and EVER!

 

[Themanofbat]

Yeah I have one without even reading the book...

This ain't yo Daddy's Spider-Man.

Or...oh wait...maybe it is as the editorials @ Marvel seem to want him at that place FOREVER and EVER and EVER and EVER!

Then it's a very shallow and narrow-minded thought brought on by negative-internet pettyness that makes everyone who joins in superior in some way because it makes them think that they somehow have better tastes in comics...

Grow up.

 

[kguillou]

Am i the only one who was disppointed with this arc? I mean, it was pretty good i guess, it's just, i was looking forward to a real Spidey/ Daredevil team-up. These two guys have gone through alot these past few years and it would have been nice to see the two interact and shed some insight as to what's been going on with them recently ( although i guess peter doesnt really remember what's been going on himself). Still, i would've liked to see a scene or two where the two are talking about their lives or about what's going on in the marvel U, like the SHRA. Oh well, got my hopes up i guess, plus i hated how Jiminez drew Peter in DD's costume, he looked so silly. Jiminez shouldn't have used the stupid "eye-holes", and instead used "white eyes" ala Batman. But thats my opinion, anyone else feel the same way?

 

[Miken Ayers]

Grimm Hunter, Al Kraven, that producer dude from Get Kraven...surprise! The big twist is she's his daughter. This aint yo daddy's Kraven. It's just another of his bastard offspring.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Then it's a very shallow and narrow-minded thought brought on by negative-internet pettyness that makes everyone who joins in superior in some way because it makes them think that they somehow have better tastes in comics...

Grow up.

Not to reopen old wounds, but I can copy and paste enough posts... So let him be.

 

[USMC]

Not to reopen old wounds, but I can copy and paste enough posts... So let him be.

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[Styleshift]

Then it's a very shallow and narrow-minded thought brought on by negative-internet pettyness that makes everyone who joins in superior in some way because it makes them think that they somehow have better tastes in comics...

Grow up.

In this case TMOB is right.
I dislike the new status quo but if your going to argue, make assertive and well thought out points about why it sucks lol....not childisly outlandish ones. thats why marvel doesn't listen to us.

 

[UK_Stu]

Grimm Hunter, Al Kraven, that producer dude from Get Kraven...surprise! The big twist is she's his daughter. This aint yo daddy's Kraven. It's just another of his bastard offspring.

Excuse my lack of understanding, but what is 'yo daddy's' ? Is this slang for 'your daddy's'?

 

[arachnid-guy]

Then it's a very shallow and narrow-minded thought brought on by negative-internet pettyness that makes everyone who joins in superior in some way because it makes them think that they somehow have better tastes in comics...

Grow up.

Pssh. Speak for yourself, my friend.

Plus, I am right though. In some way.

In this case TMOB is right.
I dislike the new status quo but if your going to argue, make assertive and well thought out points about why it sucks lol....not childisly outlandish ones. thats why marvel doesn't listen to us.

Okay. I didn;t really want another one of these. I merely pointed out that the current editorial position doesnt know where they're turning with Spider-Man. I remember a quote saying after the unmasking that they have 'years of stories about the fallout'. Well? No they backtracked and took the cowards way out. They treated us like morons during OMD and ultimately all the way thru BND.
It doesn't read like the CORE essense of Spider-Man. Okay, yes he is in some of the situations that may constitute as 'Parker Luck' but Parker, himnself DOESN'T feel right. He made a DEAL WITH THE ULTIMATE MANIFESTATION OF EVIL, ffs! Now he's marginally a shell of a person. It reads like he's just a wooden puppet of Mephisto- yeah it might all be part of some greater 'arc' [and i do hope thats the case it'd be easier to digest] but the suddeness of the change has been terrible!

Reading Peter run around in a Daredevil costume deliberating whether or not to go to the cops as his buddy Harry...sorry this Vin guy who has the emotional pull of a piece of roadkill, is mistakenly kidnapped by the NEW KRAVEN MK. II! Also, sounding EXACTLY like Spider-Man whilst in costume is a bit unerving. The older Spider-Man read like a better story- from Aunt May a loving contributor to Peter's crusade after all these years to working for a mob boss, in a shelter for the homeless which houses a Lizard-lite crack addict. No. It's silly coincidences strung together by an uneven soapy plot that involes people we know are just fillers- they'll never have as much impact as Gwen or Mary Jane ever.

No matter who Peter gets with, she'll ALWAYS be compared to Mary Jane. It's silly on the editorial powers to utterly deny the existence of a marriage to the woman he loves and by magic. Its silly lazy writing, and I dislike the NEW day Peter has to encounter. Yes, he's light...but all this could have been achieved by a simple re-write within the marriage continuity that would make logical sense to the reader. It seemed a logical progression to have Peter graduate into university and meet new people. It was logical to introduce MAry Jane Watson, Randy Robertson and all these secondary characters back in the day because there were storylines to be had that you invested in and most importantly, it felt like a natural way of thing.

These BND characters feel like horrific recasts of the former. They've been forced upon us by some crazy writing retcon device: Harry coming back from Europe and these slew of new people enter Peter's life? Mephisto's grand plan of becoming a living embodiment of Meetnewpeople.com? Come on. It's dumb writing so far...that I only HOPE has a driving focus, and even then, I hope they do it in a logical way. The bottom line is, these characters have been rudely forced upon us in a hope that we'll invest some emotional recognition in them- the problem is, they feel exactly like the ones that have come before [and still exist]. Yes, Peter can meet new people, but have them their own person and not a Gwenclone or a Pre-*****e Harry that, if they disappear tomorrow, won't have made much of an impact at all.

I hope i'm proved wrong and i'm willing to give it a chance- but it's hard to see my character raped so many times with rebranded rehashed stories that I can find in Essential. Please make there be a grand plan to Mephisto's deal- one that'll satisfy long timne fand and new ones. Hm.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Also, i dont really want to incite any problems, here. Ignore fuel to the fire.
Bottom line: If you enjoy this version of Spider-Man, you enjoy it. Can't say how, but you do. So that's it...

 

[Styleshift]

yeah its kinda irronic.
Mj has become so iconic...they'll put the two together sooner or later.

(especially thanks to the movies) that's what people know.
Peter isn't batman, so people are going to care who his love interests are, and so far he's locked lips with JJJ more than anyone else since the start of bnd. (???)

as for your points about Pete not feeling right....well yeah that's true, he feels more like ultimate spidey to me and it just doesn't work here.

sure i've read the stories where pete has done some seriously dumb things, even in asm 1 he was trying to cash a check as spidey. but he's matured MUCH since than....it's ok to have him make a mis step and do something stupid here and there (we've all witnessed him do something like that in every version)...but they've aged him too much already to be making childish mistakes.

what happened to the loner veteran spidey that we've seen for YEARS? since his college days....

ever since bendis hopped on they've been treating him like a newbie.
bendis has a knack for capturing the younger spidey.

Marvel really should start being original instead of being so cliche.

 

[arachnid-guy]

ever since bendis hopped on they've been treating him like a newbie.
bendis has a knack for capturing the younger spidey.

Marvel really should start being original instead of being so cliche.

Yeah. After EVERYTHING he's been thru, he's bound to stop acting so childish. He's had so much death and tragedy in his life he's bound to have matured...even a bit. Which sadly, isnt that evident in BND.

There's one thing Spidey being lighthearted, and theres another when he's downright acting like a buffon.

 

[Venom 1988]

So this new Kraven is just 12 years old? I feel dirty now.....



lol jk

 

[shogunrua]

I still don't understand what she was trying to say in french when sh's fighting "daredevil" and "spider-man"...must have been on drugs or was pretty bad in french class lol...

but yeah I have to say that I found that making her Kraven's daughter was somewhat uninspiring

 

[imdaly]

I remember a quote saying after the unmasking that they have 'years of stories about the fallout'. Well? No they backtracked and took the cowards way out.

One could argue that these stories we have now ARE fallout from the unmasking.

Unmasking led to May being shot.
May being shot led to OMD.
OMD led to BND.


Had Peter not unmasked, we would be in a very different place now.

 

[Styleshift]

So this new Kraven is just 12 years old? I feel dirty now.....



lol jk

JUST 12???

dude, I don't think even the artist knew that...lol.

Yeah. After EVERYTHING he's been thru, he's bound to stop acting so childish. He's had so much death and tragedy in his life he's bound to have matured...even a bit. Which sadly, isnt that evident in BND.

There's one thing Spidey being lighthearted, and theres another when he's downright acting like a buffon.

to be honest I just read this issue...
Spidey didn't act that dumb. he really didn't do anything I didn't expect out of him.

this issue wasn't all that bad nor that great, just barely in the middle. kind of cliche but we've had worst in bnd...
zeb wells had the best arc thus far IMO.

 

[Venom 1988]

JUST 12???

dude, I don't think even the artist knew that...lol.

Yea really lol to me anyway the only time she really looks like a kid is on the last page. Then again I went into this arc with the mindset that she was some girl in her twenties...

zeb wells had the best arc thus far IMO.

I agree

 

[Styleshift]

Yea really lol to me anyway the only time she really looks like a kid is on the last page. Then again I went into this arc with the mindset that she was some girl in her twenties...

I agree

c'mon a 12 year old girl beating the crap out of Spidey?
so glad I didn't pay for this issue.

makes sense that he would hold back not to hurt her and ended up underestimating her.
but a good writer would have acknowledged that on the page.

 

[Themanofbat]

c'mon a 12 year old girl beating the crap out of Spidey?
so glad I didn't pay for this issue.

makes sense that he would hold back not to hurt her and ended up underestimating her.
but a good writer would have acknowledged that on the page.

A 12 year old that obviously has super strength because she rips thru Spidey's webbing in the issue... after Spidey(DD) clearly states that she would need super strength to rip thru this...

...which Kraven the Hunter had... super strength that is, and she's his daughter.

Though according to that timeline, Kraven was 85 years old during his "Last Hunt"... and the mother is currently 84 years old... though neither looks the part... so there's more to this than meets the eye...

 

[Styleshift]

A 12 year old that obviously has super strength because she rips thru Spidey's webbing in the issue... after Spidey(DD) clearly states that she would need super strength to rip thru this...

...which Kraven the Hunter had... super strength that is, and she's his daughter.

Though according to that timeline, Kraven was 85 years old during his "Last Hunt"... and the mother is currently 84 years old... though neither looks the part... so there's more to this than meets the eye...

ya ya I DID comprehend everything. lol.
but what I meant was Spidey's taken down THE Kraven since he was 16.

a child should be a piece of cake to him....or pie.
I'm in a mood for some pie right now...

 

[Venom 1988]

I dunno I actually kinda of liked this arc, been better than most of the other ones

 

[Styleshift]

yeah there's nothing really wrong with the story.
but the whole realization that my fav. hero just got his behind kicked by a 12 year old kind of just killed it for me.

 

[Miken Ayers]

yeah there's nothing really wrong with the story.
but the whole realization that my fav. hero just got his behind kicked by a 12 year old kind of just killed it for me.

She's an urban gymnast. So it's ok.

 

[kguillou]

Originally Posted by Styleshift
yeah there's nothing really wrong with the story.
but the whole realization that my fav. hero just got his behind kicked by a 12 year old kind of just killed it for me.

And got his behind kicked while looking absolutely ridiculous in that stupid "eye hole" daredevil costume. Seriously just the way peter looked in that costume killed it for me.