Sequels Assuming they make any more...

[Chris Wallace]

do you think we'll ever see a non-mutant super-powered foe in an X-movie? I ask this because they've already turned two of the classic villains

into mutants just for the sake of making them fit the parameters of the movie. Is this everyone's fate?

 

[WillardNation]

I would assume so. I'm afraid they're going to make Deadpool a mutant too.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I kinda figured that.

 

[sdc10]

I would assume so. I'm afraid they're going to make Deadpool a mutant too.

We dont know that Deadpool is going to be a mutant yet, in the comics he went to weapon x to cure him of cancer so they gave him a healing factor. Why wouldnt that work in the film?

 

[Chris Wallace]

He didn't say he knew for certain; only that he suspected as much.

 

[WillardNation]

We dont know that Deadpool is going to be a mutant yet, in the comics he went to weapon x to cure him of cancer so they gave him a healing factor. Why wouldnt that work in the film?

It would, but as we all know, Fox likes to change things and they do have a history of making not mutant characters in the comics mutants in the movie. I'm just saying it's a possibility, although I really hope not.

 

[ChaoticPsylocke]

to be fair to fox, i didnt mind not hearing about cyborgs and cytorrak stuff.

it just kind of moves along with the rest of the movie. i mean those were easily the least f those character's worries in regards to how they were presented.

mutant or not they were butchered!

 

[X-Maniac]

In films that focus on a human v mutant issue, it does make some sense to simplify it so that characters are either one or the other.

But it would also be interesting to see a non-mutant superhuman subjected to the same discrimination.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Mistakenly presumed mutant? That could be interesting.

 

[mr. peasant]

Or what about the 'cured' mutants? Would they still face the same discrimination since they were once mutants? Chances are, some people would still view the two as one and the same.

And what about 'the cure' being labeled a 'cure' and its implications on how mutation is now being viewed as a medical disease, with there being public (and government) pressure for mutants to take that step?

 

[sniktsnakt]

It would, but as we all know, Fox likes to change things and they do have a history of making not mutant characters in the comics mutants in the movie. I'm just saying it's a possibility, although I really hope not.

I know. I think it's slightly lame if his healing factor is built-in, though. What's the chance of having so many invincible people with healing factors in the same group like that?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Or what about the 'cured' mutants? Would they still face the same discrimination since they were once mutants? Chances are, some people would still view the two as one and the same.

And what about 'the cure' being labeled a 'cure' and its implications on how mutation is now being viewed as a medical disease, with there being public (and government) pressure for mutants to take that step?

Those have to do with the racist/anti-mutant views of the general populace within the X-universe. Any time I posted in reference to X3, I always made sure to put the word "cure" in quotes, as you just did, signifying that I do not personally endorse the idea of mutation being a disease.
Truth be told, even if the effects of the "cure" were permanent, (Magneto's case suggests otherwise) there's no telling how people would react to those who'd received it. It doesn't change who you are. Would a black person with vitiligo be any less black? I don't think so. Nor do I think a bigot would view him any differently than they would me.

 

[SuperFerret]

Mistakenly presumed mutant? That could be interesting.

It's happened to Spider-Man in the comics once or twice.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Really? I remember on the MTV series a cop called him a mutant freak. I know it's come up a bit in Ultimate, but that's all I recall. But Spider-Man is so often villified that one more stigma wouldn't really make a difference. Now to see somebody like Johnny Storm-just some hero who might otherwise be well-respected-mistaken for a mutant would be a really interesting twist.

 

[SuperFerret]

Really? I remember on the MTV series a cop called him a mutant freak. I know it's come up a bit in Ultimate, but that's all I recall. But Spider-Man is so often villified that one more stigma wouldn't really make a difference. Now to see somebody like Johnny Storm-just some hero who might otherwise be well-respected-mistaken for a mutant would be a really interesting twist.

It would be interesting if one of the well-respected guys had that, but bigotry is nothing if not hypocritical.

 

[Chris Wallace]

As evidenced by the fact that in the same continuity, there can be well-respected heroes and mutant outcasts simultaneously.

^This is someone who is widely respected & admired.

^This is someone who's widely hated, feared & deemed a freak.

^Widely respected.

Deemed a freak.

^Respected.

^Freak.
Like you said, bigotry is nothing if not hypocritical.
Oh, yeah-

^Deemed a freak & a menace despite being welcomed with open arms into the ranks of the well-respected. And again, he's not even a mutant.

 

[OsGom]

Ha! Chris, I always dig your posts man!t:

As I observed in other threads, something I thought was completely sugar-coated in the previous movies is the level to which humanity fears mutantkind. This includes humans lynching and killing mutants. The struggles of mutants is supposed to parallel the struggle for Civil Rights. Showing the cost of that struggle in the loss of life is necessary in demonstrating why Magneto's Brotherhood is so enticing thus contrasting the sacrifices Xmen make whenever they defend humanity. In the previous movies the only way the audience knew mutants were hated was they were asked to register or take a cure. Hardly cross-burning or concentration camps. Sure, apparently the government hates mutants, but Average Joe wasn't shown as a threat to mutantkind. They didn't even use the word "Mutie" once!

So really if it is just a matter of non-mutants being pressured into registering then essentially you have the story line for Civil War. If it's the FF having to defend themselves against a mob of bloodthirsty mutant-haters, that interests me.

But this element has to addressed frankly and brutally in future films IMO.

 

[SuperFerret]

^This is someone who's widely hated, feared & deemed a freak.

Actually, as a former Avenger, Beast has been shown to be relatively well-liked in some cases. He's still a stinkin' mutie, but he's fuzzy and it makes me smile. t:

 

[OsGom]

Um..to answer the original question though. Aside from Juggs and LDS. Who else we got that are non-mutants.

I mean there are the Shi'Ar and other alien races. Given how Fox has handled Marvel Aliens so far I shudder to think how they could **** up the Imperial Guard.

Non-powered humans like Trask. Been done but certainly usable in a Sentinel Story. Which really really needs to be done.

Then there is Pierce and the Reavers. No burning desire to see them incorporated into a film at this point.

What feasible non-mutant villains does that leave.

 

[mr. peasant]

Well, there's always the Purifiers.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Actually, as a former Avenger, Beast has been shown to be relatively well-liked in some cases. He's still a stinkin' mutie, but he's fuzzy and it makes me smile. t:

Beast is only well-liked by those who've gotten to know him.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

do you think we'll ever see a non-mutant super-powered foe in an X-movie? I ask this because they've already turned two of the classic villains

into mutants just for the sake of making them fit the parameters of the movie. Is this everyone's fate?

I doubt it. It really made sense to me that they made the above characters mutants. It simplified their origins, which is often necessary in these grounded, ensemble films.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I agree that it made sense. Like I said, clearly they did so to fit them into the parameters of the movie. In order to make Deathstrike a cyborg & fit it into what was happening in X2, a whole new subplot would've had to be added. And as many fans already consider X3 a convoluted, jumbled mess, the introduction of a mystical jewel probably wouldn't have helped matters much.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I agree that it made sense. Like I said, clearly they did so to fit them into the parameters of the movie. In order to make Deathstrike a cyborg & fit it into what was happening in X2, a whole new subplot would've had to be added. And as many fans already consider X3 a convoluted, jumbled mess, the introduction of a mystical jewel probably wouldn't have helped matters much.

Hahaha, agreed.

 

[BMM]

do you think we'll ever see a non-mutant super-powered foe in an X-movie? I ask this because they've already turned two of the classic villains

into mutants just for the sake of making them fit the parameters of the movie. Is this everyone's fate?

I think it depends on the outlandishness of the backstories of the non-mutants. Deathstryke and Juggernaut have some pretty outlandish backstories in so far as how they obtain their superhuman abilities. It is one thing to obtain superhuman powers chemically or via surgical augmentation, but it's another thing to obtain them from an interdimensional, six armed being's body shoppe or a magical gem.