At the Mountains of Madness - Guillermo Del Toro's Next Project!

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This "those times" thing is usually exaggerated. But yeah, there are also people who think "Mad Men" is historically accurate. Fact is, that Lovecraft's misogynism and racism goes far beyond of the average guy of that era. This is a guy who, afterall, was heavily distorted when he found out that his great-great-grandmother was of Celtic not Germanic stock.

I don't quite agree with that. Obviously Lovecraft's xenophobia and racism was beyond the average guy of that era. No arguments there.

But, otherwise, women were basically absent from his work. I don't think that's the same thing as misogynism at all. Lovecraft's marriage failed, for a variety of reasons, but his treatment of Sonia Greene wasn't particularly bad. Heck, it might have even worked out if their finances were better. He worked with a number of female authors throughout his career, Anna Crofts, Winifred Jackson, Zealia Bishop, and Hazel Head. Obviously, you can read into how he viewed his marriage in The Thing on the Doorstep, and you can read things into The Dunwich Horror, although that seems to me to be more about miscegenation, but overall, he seemed more indifferent to women than misogynistic. Heck, compared to the number of posters that seem to think the only good superhero girlfriend is a dead one, he's pretty restrained overall.

It's certainly true that Lovecraft was no crusader for women's rights. But, it certainly doesn't seem like he was any worse than the average man of the period in that respect. And considering his working relationship with several, possibly better. But then, Lovecraft was full of contradictions. He was a xenophobe and thought of himself as patrician upper class, yet he married a Jewish woman who was decidedly middle class and independent. Beyond that, if Lovecraft wasn't including women on Antartic expeditions, one of the reasons was simply because women weren't going on Antartic expeditions at that time.

I think it's a fairly defensible position not to insert an anachronism in a story. Especially considering what happens to most of the expedition. Heck, arguably putting a women into a story where violence is going to occur to her makes a story misogynistic.
 
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But, otherwise, women were basically absent from his work. I don't think that's the same thing as misogynism at all. Lovecraft's marriage failed, for a variety of reasons, but his treatment of Sonia Greene wasn't particularly bad. Heck, it might have even worked out if their finances were better. He worked with a number of female authors throughout his career, Anna Crofts, Winifred Jackson, Zealia Bishop, and Hazel Head. Obviously, you can read into how he viewed his marriage in The Thing on the Doorstep, and you can read things into The Dunwich Horror, although that seems to me to be more about miscegenation, but overall, he seemed more indifferent to women than misogynistic. Heck, compared to the number of posters that seem to think the only good superhero girlfriend is a dead one, he's pretty restrained overall. .

Good points overall, except that he didn't really work "with" those authors you mentioned, he just ghostwrote and reworked their stories and probably never had any real contact with them.
 
Good points overall, except that he didn't really work "with" those authors you mentioned, he just ghostwrote and reworked their stories and probably never had any real contact with them.

He was pen pals with several of them. And, he wasn't quite the recluse that people want to believe. He had met several of his collaborators through various writers conventions. Winifred Jackson for certain.

Obviously, by the standards of today, Lovecraft was a chauvinist. But, unlike his xenophobia and racism, he doesn't seem to be particularly worse than the average man of the time. And between his mother and his aunts, he certainly had issues with females. But, unlike his xenophobia and racism, there's very little evidence of misogyny in his works. Possibly that's simply because females are simply absent from his works, but it's interesting in that "putting the female love interest in peril" was a trope for a long time and Lovecraft assiduously avoided that trope. A trope that he certainly was aware of as evidenced by his "Supernatural Horror in Literature" essay. (An essay which is very even handed to several female authors, btw.)
 
1 but Del Toro would never made an action packed R rated Mountain of Madness.

2 it will be more fast paced since its a big budget. but i expect 100% atmosphere and tension every 5-10 minutes.

3 i expect a good horror movie where it will not be about jumping things in the camera but really about something more.

1 You don't know that. Del Toro has always worked with small budgets so naturally he's have to make certain sacrifices when it comes to making movies. For all we know this movie could've been conceived as a big projects. And big as in something costing around 80-90 million as opposed to a 40 million movie. My guess is that with Cameron's name attached , they got their budget. Cameron isn't stupid. Like all directors he knows that movies need to make a money and that for certain flicks you just need a PG-13 rating. Nevertheless there is always a certain margin when it comes to budgeting R rated movies . Something costing 80 million can make back it's budget. Disregard the fact that Expendables has a huge star cast , the movie is a HARD R RATED 80 million dollar costing movie that has so far succeeded at the BO.

2 Not necessarely. Look at Alien. It's a pretty big movie in terms of scale yet its the polar opposite of Aliens. Alien really is a horror movie whereas ALIENS is a SCI-FI action. This movie could easily be ALIEN.

3 Let's wait and see .
 
i have a feeling that Cameron is helping Del Toro making hes dream movie and it will not be made for money. like the Abys.
i have a feeling that he will make sure that he will get enough money for hes vision even if it will not be for the masses.

IMO
 
ohhhhh i see.10 years ago it would be the other way around. now Tom is poison in hollywood or what? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

GDT knows how to cast actors. he did a great casting job on Pan's Labyrinth.
 
Interesting indeed. I'd love McAvoy or Pine to play the lead. I wouldn't mind Cruise either.
 
I'll be in the minority here but I'd much prefer Cruise, his intensity and the fact he is older would fit better for this film IMO.
 
I've read the script, and I'm trying to picture Cruise in the role. The lead seems like a younger character to me. More of a McAvoy type.

I want to see Ron Perlman in this.
 
so how is he depicted because in the book dyer was born in 1875 and the story takes place in 1930 which would make him 55 cruise is 48 atm so he makes sense
 
The big issue here isn't so much either actor for me, it's the fact the studio is already interfering with Del Toro.
 
I think I'm one of the few people left who is still a fan of Cruise, so I'm all for him being in this.
 
The big issue here isn't so much either actor for me, it's the fact the studio is already interfering with Del Toro.

That also worries me a bit but with Cameron helping out hopefully he'll use some muscle to let GDT get his way.

I think I'm one of the few people left who is still a fan of Cruise, so I'm all for him being in this.

Not at all, I still like Cruise. I'm over the crazy **** he's done or said in the past. I don't think he's the greatest actor but he has proven himself with certain roles in my eyes. I wouldn't be against him getting the role at all. At the end of the day I just want a good adaptation of the story and hope the atmosphere and tension is damn good.
 
Hell, I'd get both of them.

MacAvoy has that bookish, nerd look to him, that will definitely help a character. And Tom Cruise has that "pretty boy, not afraid of anything" look to him, which makes him ripe for being driven insane.

I'd be content with either or, really. But I'd grab both of them.
 
Honestly, if Del Toro wants Tommy, there is obviously something regarding his interpretation of the character that he feels Cruise can pull off as opposed to other actors. So let him do it.
 
Tom's performance in Minority Report makes me think he can do just fine in this role.
 

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the studio is already interfering with GDT ( plz guys you just read rumors floating around in hollywood. And already a conclusion is drawn.....:oldrazz:).
Although Cruise's BO performance may be fading , it could also be a salary issue. Cruise still can get a 20 million dollar paycheck for his movies , McAvoy can't.

Personally i'd rather see Cruise being attached . His name is still a bigger draw then McAvoy .
 
maybe the studio doesnt want him because Cruise demands profit from the BO in hes contract?
 
maybe the studio doesnt want him because Cruise demands profit from the BO in hes contract?

Doubt it.
His paycheck for MI-4 will be lower then his usual 20-25 million salary but he will get a nice back end deal.

Universal could opt to do the same thing on this movie.
 
Hm, not bad choices for the lead actor. Wouldn't mind either one since both of them are capable of pulling it off.
 
Tom Cruise is an inspired choice. One I'm actually quite happy with. Everyone questioned him as Col Stauffenberg, but he pulled it off.
 
I'm glad to see he still has a lot of fans. Nowadays it seems like people hear his name and cringe. I guess they can't get past his off-screen antics, even though all of that was years ago.
 
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