DrCosmic
Professor of Power
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Wait... so as long as you're taught evil by someone else, you're not evil? Even if you're a grown man with the ability to evaluate what you were taught, to choose how to pursue your goals, if you choose to pursue your goals in the most murderous way possible, and you do so without remorse, you're not evil, unless no one has hurt you badly in the past? In that case... what fictional villain has ever been evil? And what do we call these remorseless killers who try to destroy the world and create something they think will be better? Good guys? Tarrlok's final action is much like Hitler - it is not a fear of what would happen, but an understanding of what will not happen. A realization that the final defeat has taken place. There is nothing left to live for. There would never be another day in the sun, even though Amon kept talking like there was. Better to end our misery now. Otherwise, he would have tried to kill his brother sooner, if he had done it because he was a good person all along.
On Korra, the threat to the protester was definitely because she felt attacked without cause. It wasn't because she didn't like the guy, or even had some intellectual issue with what he was saying, the only problem was that he was telling her she was a bad guy. She responded from that place. She didn't physically attack him either, did she? Why not? Why didn't she jump straight to physical violence?
On the Tarrlok fight, it appears that she thought that he was trying to kill her, so she responded in kind. The fight wasn't over because he fell down, any more than she would expect him to relent if she fell down. They weren't in a tournament. A person who had great legal recourse had just tried to kill her. It didn't make any sense intellectually or emotionally to relax and let him have a day in court. It turns out, she was absolutely right. The fight was not over at all, and no one with any real power would believe she had been attacked by such a respectable person.
In each case, she responds with equal force. She's not a pacifist. Not all good guys, not all heroes are pacifists. Some people who live in a violent world fight fire with fire. If we're willing to call remorseless murderers not evil because their daddies beat them up, how can we not give a by to the girl who has gotten her only opening against a superior opponent intending to kill her?
And the comparison to Katara is just wrong. Katara hunted down an old man - something Korra wouldn't do, by the way. Korra was in the middle of a fight with a superior opponent.
And Iroh was like his brother until Iroh's son died.
And Ozai's father was about to kill his wife. That's all we know about their relationship... that's an indication it was not good, further supported by the fact that Ozai's father was raised by Sozin, the traitorous megalomaniacal avatar-killing conqueror who upset the balance of the world in the first place, but we're supposed to think he might have a balanced family? The one decent parent the Fire Nation ever showed was exiled. The Fire Nation culture got explicit commentary. If childhood absolves a villain of being evil, then the Avatar franchise has never had a villain outside of perhaps Long Feng, and I can't think of many other franchises outside of Silence of the Lambs that actually have evil villains by that standard.
Also, is that video sped up? Their voices sound sooo weird!
On Korra, the threat to the protester was definitely because she felt attacked without cause. It wasn't because she didn't like the guy, or even had some intellectual issue with what he was saying, the only problem was that he was telling her she was a bad guy. She responded from that place. She didn't physically attack him either, did she? Why not? Why didn't she jump straight to physical violence?
On the Tarrlok fight, it appears that she thought that he was trying to kill her, so she responded in kind. The fight wasn't over because he fell down, any more than she would expect him to relent if she fell down. They weren't in a tournament. A person who had great legal recourse had just tried to kill her. It didn't make any sense intellectually or emotionally to relax and let him have a day in court. It turns out, she was absolutely right. The fight was not over at all, and no one with any real power would believe she had been attacked by such a respectable person.
In each case, she responds with equal force. She's not a pacifist. Not all good guys, not all heroes are pacifists. Some people who live in a violent world fight fire with fire. If we're willing to call remorseless murderers not evil because their daddies beat them up, how can we not give a by to the girl who has gotten her only opening against a superior opponent intending to kill her?
And the comparison to Katara is just wrong. Katara hunted down an old man - something Korra wouldn't do, by the way. Korra was in the middle of a fight with a superior opponent.
And Iroh was like his brother until Iroh's son died.
And Ozai's father was about to kill his wife. That's all we know about their relationship... that's an indication it was not good, further supported by the fact that Ozai's father was raised by Sozin, the traitorous megalomaniacal avatar-killing conqueror who upset the balance of the world in the first place, but we're supposed to think he might have a balanced family? The one decent parent the Fire Nation ever showed was exiled. The Fire Nation culture got explicit commentary. If childhood absolves a villain of being evil, then the Avatar franchise has never had a villain outside of perhaps Long Feng, and I can't think of many other franchises outside of Silence of the Lambs that actually have evil villains by that standard.
Also, is that video sped up? Their voices sound sooo weird!
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