Sci-Fi Avatar: The Way Of Water

[squeekness]

He is also starring as the lead FBI agent in Discovery Channels 8 part Unabomber series.
i believe part 2 aired on Tuesday.
I bailed after part 1, just didn't hold my interest.

Really? I thought the series has been great so far.

 

[Hordakfan]

I really detested the first movie for that cop out bigoted ending.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I really detested the first movie for that cop out bigoted ending.

Bigoted against who? Bad guy humans?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, what the hell?

 

[squeekness]

Lol, someone's confused.

 

[Kane52630]

Bigoted against who? Bad guy humans?

Yeah, what the hell?

#BadHumanLivesMatter of course!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, what the hell?

 

[Hordakfan]

Why i dislike the ending to Avatar and Shrek.

One thing that pissed me off about the ending of Shrek is that i wish Fiona who was a cursed human could had turned back human like she wished and wanted when she has found true love at last with Shrek, then Shrek would still accept her as a person and for who she is and she would still accept him for who he is and as a person. But NOOOOO she gets to be remain an ogress and i don't like that. Same thing for the ending to James Cameron's Avatar (aka Avaturd) is that when Neytiri found Jake's true self and accepts him for who he is. I mean the tree could had at least healed him to make him walk and still remain human even to magically breath the atmosphere and eat the things on the planet, but NOOOO he gets to turn into into a Na'Vi.

I am a fan of outside species/race (outside the human race) romance in fiction for a long time and the endings to both movies pissed me off.

 

[Marvolo]

It wouldnt have made a bit of sense for him to choose to remain in his human body. It was crippled, the muscles and bones in his legs were atrophied and permanently damaged due to lack of use. The tree couldnt heal bullet wounds. No reason to think it could heal his broken back and years of extreme atrophy. So he would have been stuck in a wheelchair which is a death sentence in Pandora's ecosystem. But even if the magic tree could have healed him he would have still been screwed. He was a 6' human male. The human body evolved to survive earth's ecosystem. Not pandora's ecosystem. He would have had to wear an oxygen mask every time he went outside which means he wouldnt be able to live outside the military base. He wouldnt have been able to move with the speed and dexterity of the navi. The human body is significantly weaker than the navi. He would have been more vulnerable to the dangerous predators on Pandora and unable to safely move through its forests. Oh and he wouldnt have been able to engage in "hair sex" with Neytiri which is apparently a key part of navi bonding. And lastly, tho Neytiri excepted him as a human, and maybe her tribe would have come to except his frail human form as acceptable he would have always been considered an outsider to some degree and looked down on (no pun intended).

Interspecies alien human relationships are all well and good but it has to make sense in the context of the characters and the world created by the author or director. In the case of Avatar it made sense for Jake to choose to leave his human body and permanently inhabit the body of his Avatar.

 

[Hordakfan]

It wouldnt have made a bit of sense for him to choose to remain in his human body. It was crippled, the muscles and bones in his legs were atrophied and permanently damaged due to lack of use. The tree couldnt heal bullet wounds. No reason to think it could heal his broken back and years of extreme atrophy. So he would have been stuck in a wheelchair which is a death sentence in Pandora's ecosystem. But even if the magic tree could have healed him he would have still been screwed. He was a 6' human male. The human body evolved to survive earth's ecosystem. Not pandora's ecosystem. He would have had to wear an oxygen mask every time he went outside which means he wouldnt be able to live outside the military base. He wouldnt have been able to move with the speed and dexterity of the navi. The human body is significantly weaker than the navi. He would have been more vulnerable to the dangerous predators on Pandora and unable to safely move through its forests. Oh and he wouldnt have been able to engage in "hair sex" with Neytiri which is apparently a key part of navi bonding. And lastly, tho Neytiri excepted him as a human, and maybe her tribe would have come to except his frail human form as acceptable he would have always been considered an outsider to some degree and looked down on (no pun intended).

Interspecies alien human relationships are all well and good but it has to make sense in the context of the characters and the world created by the author or director. In the case of Avatar it made sense for Jake to choose to leave his human body and permanently inhabit the body of his Avatar.

Well let me tell you something, Me and one of my friends who is an artist named Hattonslayden who is a good artist (he draws human males with nonhuman females like anthros or xenos or magical creature folk and mutants) who are both the same age and were both raised/taught (his parents for him and for me it was TV shows/movies like Beauty and the Beast TV show from the 80s with Ron Perlman/Linda Hamilton to Mighty Mouse all new Adventures's episode Littlest Tramp where a human man marries a lovely blonde anthro mouse woman to Alien Nation the series to X-Men TAS to Splash and more to my big brother and my teachers to one of my mom's boyfriends) not to be a bigot or racist to anyone who looks different than us white folk even by the surface nor by deformed people or ethnicity and all to treat them all with respect even as equals with different skills/abilities. Him and i hate bigots, racists, racism, double standards (especially when we find them in ourselves) and when people act like their own "negative stereotype"

We both don't like Avataring or Shreking or other transformation stories used to side step the "we look different from each other so we cannot accept each other." to me with him that is the same as taking the classic "Guess who's coming to dinner" from 1967, if you are unfamiliar with the movie it is a story where a African-American man is dating a white woman and she brings him home to her parents and the movie centers around them learning to accept that he is a valid human being and not inferior because of his skin color. So "Avatar" and "Shrek" is like "guess who's coming to dinner" where the main protagonist magically physically changes his race to suit the parents and therefore they don't have to accept anything. Or if the white woman magically turns into a black woman to suit the parents of the black man to satisfy their notions.

As far as i am concerned, the toxic atmosphere was there to set up the bigoted ending so we don't feel bad about Jake changing forms. the element of him turning into a Na'vi at the end says to me "how you look is more important than who you are". The reason i despise this overrated turd aka avaturd because of the ending/wrong message, Take the exact same story, swap the alien theme with real life humans of different color skin and if you had an East Indian woman and a white man and suddenly the white man magically turns into the same race as her as an East Indian man it justifying racism like Avatar's ending. I still think when Cameron thought up the idea of a human X alien romance story, he should have had the genetic technology to have humans breathe the air/eat the stuff on Pandora with nanotech nanintes of their bodies to help them digest the food and filter out their lungs/nostrils to breath the atmosphere, the avatars were a waste of resources.

As we have had THOUSANDS of scifi stories where the atmosphere is 'breathable' that toxic air element was only to help set up the 'cop out' ending, including his " oh poor me, i can't walk even though it would be cheaper and faster to simply fix my legs and tweak my lungs so i can survive instead of taking 5 or 6 YEARS and MILLIONS of dollars in ultra specialized equipment to make a glorified meat-puppet for a bigoted ending as a message".

I still think Eawa or Enwy (whatever) decided not to "avatard" him up and instead fixed his inner workings to survive on pandora. If they can grow a avatar they can give him lungs that work, all atmosphereic, environmental and "leg it" reasons for humans (or jake) not to survive are as far as I am concered, excuses so that the majority of viewers won't feel a little "ashamed" when he becomes a Na'vi. Jake was in a wheel chair and knew that he would become a navi and stay that way. to me that was blatantly racist ("they could not be together unless they looked similar") and was a spit in the face of every thing me and one of my artist friends had been raised to believe in (it's the content of your character not the way you look that matters.) if the only changes to the movie had been that Jake's avatar body died and he and Neytiri still made it together with everything i said that would have been a moral ending in my point of view.

in my opinion if James Cameron now Jimmy Cammy and the makers of Shrek wanted to actually have acceptance be any part of their story then he would of had Jake's "avatar" 'die' yes Neteri would still love and accept him regardless of their differences. Same for Fiona who was a human who was cursed to become an ogress every night to find true love and to have him kiss her to break the spell, plus Fiona would be human forever and she would still love/accept him as a person and not an "inferior monster" like some of the people in the movie thought.

Me and one of my artist friends are quite big on not judging a person based off race or appearance and the integration and respect of all cultures even learning from X-Men comics/aniamted show. one of my fave artists/friends on DA does nice artwork of humans in love with Xenos, anthros and magical creature beings to show it can be a nice and expressive thing to get rid of the Shreking/Avataring and double standards in fiction (which the double standards thing is almost a throwback to real life events like the days when slavery was legal as no one who isn't white isn't considered human or a person because of the color of their skin when white folk had power/dominating egos in bigotry before Abe Lincoln came along to do things right of freeing slaves to see them as people not as dumb animals like the racist back then thought so even to treat people of different ethnics with respect and when Hitler never thought the Jews were human in WWII during the holocaust before WWII ended when the jews were finally set free of Hitler's grasp) in mainstream stuff even in some artwork to all. the "we can only be together if we are the same race" and is metaphorically spit in Martin Luther King Jr. face. He even drew an expressive beautiful pic of a human male kissing a Na'Vi female with no avatar required but with genetically modified lungs to breathe and eat and drink the things on Pandora but be who he is.

But the Shreking, Avataring, the double standards (only mutants can be with other mutants or anthros be with other anthros or aliens be with other aliens or magical creature folk be with other magical creature folk) and stupid double standard that only human women can be with nonhuman looking nonhumans is finally dying thanks to shows like Bojack Horseman, Regular Show, Doctor Who and more into the mainstream just like we all accept real life things like interracial romance/marriage to same gender marriage.

 

[:eek:]

“Avatar” Sequels In “Full-Tilt” Production

By
Garth Franklin -

Thursday, August 24th 2017 10:51 am

Four years on since the announcement that multiple “Avatar” sequels were on the way, filmmaker James Cameron has now confirmed that the sci films are in ‘full-tilt production’.
Speaking with EW ahead of the release of “Terminator 2: Judgment Day 3D,” Cameron was asked about the current status of the projects:

“Oh, we’re in production. We’re in full-tilt production. We’re in what we call ‘scouting,’ which basically is shooting for me. I’m on the stage all day long during the scouting process, because there are no sets or locations, other than in the virtual world, so I do all my location-scouting with a troop of actors that go through the virtual sets, and give me a sense of the scale and position, lighting, that sort of thing. Then, I’m in rehearsals with my principal cast and I start with them at the end of September.

​

Sam Worthington, Sigourney Weaver, Stephen Lang, and Zoe Saldana are all returning for the follow-ups which Cameron says he aims to make so technically advanced and undeniably astonishing that most won’t be able to forget it. He tells Digital Spy:

“I’ve hired the best artists and technicians in the world to design these films. There will be such a richness of imagery that I think people just won’t be able to imagine it in advance, but it will just seem right when they finally see it.
It’s a little bit daunting, but it’s very exciting too. I sort of made a decision for myself that everything I need to say artistically as a filmmaker, I’m going to say across those four films, and I wrote them accordingly.”
​

The first of those four sequels is scheduled for release on December 18th 2020, with the subsequent three arriving December 17th 2021, December 20th 2024, and December 19th 2025.

 

[Mysteryman]

Well let me tell you something, Me and one of my friends who is an artist named Hattonslayden who is a good artist (he draws human males with nonhuman females like anthros or xenos or magical creature folk and mutants) who are both the same age and were both raised/taught (his parents for him and for me it was TV shows/movies like Beauty and the Beast TV show from the 80s with Ron Perlman/Linda Hamilton to Mighty Mouse all new Adventures's episode Littlest Tramp where a human man marries a lovely blonde anthro mouse woman to Alien Nation the series to X-Men TAS to Splash and more to my big brother and my teachers to one of my mom's boyfriends) not to be a bigot or racist to anyone who looks different than us white folk even by the surface nor by deformed people or ethnicity and all to treat them all with respect even as equals with different skills/abilities. Him and i hate bigots, racists, racism, double standards (especially when we find them in ourselves) and when people act like their own "negative stereotype"

We both don't like Avataring or Shreking or other transformation stories used to side step the "we look different from each other so we cannot accept each other." to me with him that is the same as taking the classic "Guess who's coming to dinner" from 1967, if you are unfamiliar with the movie it is a story where a African-American man is dating a white woman and she brings him home to her parents and the movie centers around them learning to accept that he is a valid human being and not inferior because of his skin color. So "Avatar" and "Shrek" is like "guess who's coming to dinner" where the main protagonist magically physically changes his race to suit the parents and therefore they don't have to accept anything. Or if the white woman magically turns into a black woman to suit the parents of the black man to satisfy their notions.

As far as i am concerned, the toxic atmosphere was there to set up the bigoted ending so we don't feel bad about Jake changing forms. the element of him turning into a Na'vi at the end says to me "how you look is more important than who you are". The reason i despise this overrated turd aka avaturd because of the ending/wrong message, Take the exact same story, swap the alien theme with real life humans of different color skin and if you had an East Indian woman and a white man and suddenly the white man magically turns into the same race as her as an East Indian man it justifying racism like Avatar's ending. I still think when Cameron thought up the idea of a human X alien romance story, he should have had the genetic technology to have humans breathe the air/eat the stuff on Pandora with nanotech nanintes of their bodies to help them digest the food and filter out their lungs/nostrils to breath the atmosphere, the avatars were a waste of resources.

As we have had THOUSANDS of scifi stories where the atmosphere is 'breathable' that toxic air element was only to help set up the 'cop out' ending, including his " oh poor me, i can't walk even though it would be cheaper and faster to simply fix my legs and tweak my lungs so i can survive instead of taking 5 or 6 YEARS and MILLIONS of dollars in ultra specialized equipment to make a glorified meat-puppet for a bigoted ending as a message".

I still think Eawa or Enwy (whatever) decided not to "avatard" him up and instead fixed his inner workings to survive on pandora. If they can grow a avatar they can give him lungs that work, all atmosphereic, environmental and "leg it" reasons for humans (or jake) not to survive are as far as I am concered, excuses so that the majority of viewers won't feel a little "ashamed" when he becomes a Na'vi. Jake was in a wheel chair and knew that he would become a navi and stay that way. to me that was blatantly racist ("they could not be together unless they looked similar") and was a spit in the face of every thing me and one of my artist friends had been raised to believe in (it's the content of your character not the way you look that matters.) if the only changes to the movie had been that Jake's avatar body died and he and Neytiri still made it together with everything i said that would have been a moral ending in my point of view.

in my opinion if James Cameron now Jimmy Cammy and the makers of Shrek wanted to actually have acceptance be any part of their story then he would of had Jake's "avatar" 'die' yes Neteri would still love and accept him regardless of their differences. Same for Fiona who was a human who was cursed to become an ogress every night to find true love and to have him kiss her to break the spell, plus Fiona would be human forever and she would still love/accept him as a person and not an "inferior monster" like some of the people in the movie thought.

Me and one of my artist friends are quite big on not judging a person based off race or appearance and the integration and respect of all cultures even learning from X-Men comics/aniamted show. one of my fave artists/friends on DA does nice artwork of humans in love with Xenos, anthros and magical creature beings to show it can be a nice and expressive thing to get rid of the Shreking/Avataring and double standards in fiction (which the double standards thing is almost a throwback to real life events like the days when slavery was legal as no one who isn't white isn't considered human or a person because of the color of their skin when white folk had power/dominating egos in bigotry before Abe Lincoln came along to do things right of freeing slaves to see them as people not as dumb animals like the racist back then thought so even to treat people of different ethnics with respect and when Hitler never thought the Jews were human in WWII during the holocaust before WWII ended when the jews were finally set free of Hitler's grasp) in mainstream stuff even in some artwork to all. the "we can only be together if we are the same race" and is metaphorically spit in Martin Luther King Jr. face. He even drew an expressive beautiful pic of a human male kissing a Na'Vi female with no avatar required but with genetically modified lungs to breathe and eat and drink the things on Pandora but be who he is.

But the Shreking, Avataring, the double standards (only mutants can be with other mutants or anthros be with other anthros or aliens be with other aliens or magical creature folk be with other magical creature folk) and stupid double standard that only human women can be with nonhuman looking nonhumans is finally dying thanks to shows like Bojack Horseman, Regular Show, Doctor Who and more into the mainstream just like we all accept real life things like interracial romance/marriage to same gender marriage.

Nah.
Jakes transformation is just part of his journey as a character, and it's not over yet.

 

[Iceman]

I like how Cameron is bigging up the technical side and richness of imagery being groundbreaking.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

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Also...James Cameron finally begins shooting AVATAR 2 Monday.

 

[:eek:]

Avatar 2 filming starts this week!

Patient Avatar fans have reason to celebrate this week, as Avatar 2 filming is officially starting! While pre-production has been going on for some time, the actual filming and motion capture with the actors will now go full speed ahead.

20th Century Fox and Lightstorm Entertainment announced release dates for the four Avatar sequels back in April. Avatar 2 will be coming to theaters on December 18, 2020, and will be followed by the third film on December 17, 2021. Then there will be a three-year break in releases, as the fourth film opens on December 20, 2024, and the fifth Avatar movie is scheduled for a December 19, 2025 release.
Released in 2009, the first Avatar film remains the highest-grossing film worldwide with over $2.7 billion in box office grosses. It was dethroned by Star Wars: The Force Awakens as the highest at the domestic box office, pushing past Avatar‘s $760 million with a total of $936 million.
Returning from the original film are Sam Worthington, Zoe Saldana, Joel David Moore, Stephen Lang, Matt Gerald and Sigourney Weaver. Cliff Curtis and Oona Chaplin are also joining the sequels. Cameron recently explained that Stephen Lang’s Colonel Miles Quaritch coming back for all four sequels and will be the main villain throughout the story.
“The interesting conceit of the ‘Avatar’ sequels is it’s pretty much the same characters,” Cameron said. “There are new characters and a lot of new settings and creatures, so I’m taking characters you know and putting them in unfamiliar places and moving them on this greater journey. But it’s not a whole bunch of new characters every time. There’s not a new villain every time, which is interesting. Same guy. Same mother*****er through all four movies. He is so good and he just gets better. I know Stephen Lang is gonna knock this out of the park.”
The Avatar sequels will be produced by James Cameron and Jon Landau through their Lightstorm Entertainment. The James Cameron-directed sequels are written by Cameron along with Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver, Josh Friedman, and Shane Salerno

 

[Zant]

King James is back lol. The Star Wars films better enjoy that December release dates while they can.

 

[The Shape]

So today is finally the day.

I don't really care what anybody else thinks. I'm hoping for the best and I'm very interested to see how this turns out.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Still looking forward to this sequel a great deal. Especially coming from a director who made 2 of the best sequels ever and one of my favourite directors in general.

 

[terry78]

I doubt he's gonna do a rehash, it's probably gonna be a complete turnaround from the first one.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A rehash wouldn't seem challenging enough for Cameron IMO. He has license to take things a bit further now he has to keep things as normal as possible in the first movie.

I think he will give us some great new things.

 

[mclay18]

I hope he keeps the films short and sweet. The sequels don't need to be a butt-numbing 2.5 hours apiece.

And maybe cut down on the overt environmental message, it was grating like Happy Feet was.

 

[Marvolo]

Its Cameron. The films are going to be 2.5 hours at least.

Aliens - 2 hrs 17 minutes (2 hrs 34 minutes)

T2 - 2 hrs 17 minutes (2 hrs 36 minutes)

The Abyss - 2 hrs 25 minutes (2 hrs 51 minutes)

True Lies - 2 hrs 24 minutes

Titanic - 3 hrs 12 minutes

Avatar - 2 hrs 42 minutes ( 3 hrs)

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Bruce Malone]

King James is back lol. The Star Wars films better enjoy that December release dates while they can.

 

[Marvolo]

King James is back lol. The Star Wars films better enjoy that December release dates while they can.

Oh sweet summer child.

Avatar 1 had the benefit of opening when 3D was still fresh and new. The sequels will be opening when the 3D market is in decline. Avatar didnt have to go up against a star wars film. Star wars has luke skywalker, space wizards, and space battles. Avatar has sam worthington playing a 9' blue cat person and hair sex. Star wars's fan base dwarfs Avatars fanbase. Star wars merchandising and marketing has saturated the market to an absurd degree over the past 40 years. Avatar has all but disappeared from the market since 2009.

Even if I wasnt a star wars fan id bank on star wars giving Avatar a run for its money.

Edit: The avatar sequels dont start coming out until 2020. The new star wars trilogy ends in 2019. And Im guessing that the Episode films will take a break for 3 - 5 years so Cameron doesnt have to worry. His Avatar films will not have to face off against any major Star Wars films. An avatar film might open against a standalone star wars film in 2020 but not an Episode film.