Discussion in 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' started by Thread Manager, May 5, 2015.
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This thread is to review Avengers: Age of Ultron for all they Hypesters.
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So,I have just returned from watching it. I enjoyed it,but it seems to me a film that needs another watch or 2 to really appreciate it. It felt fairly disjointed. Something about it just felt off and I can't really put my finger on it.
I really enjoyed Ultron, but it didn't really feel like we spent enough time with him. He should've been a personal villain for the Avengers,but he never got a chance to deliver that gut punch (a la Loki killing Coulson.) to the team.
The threat (early in the film) didn't really feel great enough to justify them going into hiding. The Hawkeye being married subplot honestly did nothing for me. Good for Renner getting some decent screen time here,but I still would've preferred him with Widow.
I didn't really care for the Banner/Widow romance. They kicked Betty Ross to the curb with nary a word about her. And it just felt to me like they thought "Widow needs a fella after all these films. We ain't doing anything with Hulk now. How about Banner?"
I was somewhat disappointed in the Hulk this film. (Well,with the exception of the Hulkbuster fight) We got no Hulk-out scenes (well,we got a Hulk in scene for once) which are half the fun of the Hulk-the 'Unleash the Beast' moment. And Hulk is still portrayed as a mute byproduct of Banner and given no character of his own. At this point it's getting a little ridiculous.
Cap spent the whole last act sans helmet.
Much of Thor's subplot was lost on me,not being a dyed in the wool Thor reader.But I'm guessing it'll payoff in his next solo film.
The twins were pretty good. I probably liked Quicksilver better than the Witch. His death was handled well,but it's kind of a cop out.It's tough to write such a powerful character,so it's easier to just write him out.
Vision was pretty cool.It felt a little wonky having him join the team in that manner,but no complaints.
I probably sound like I hated the film.LOL But I enjoyed the action,the humor and Ultron's morbid philosophy. I kinda feel there was more there that could've been pulled out and brought to the forefront. But I liked what we got. 4.5 out of 5
I'm glad that Whedon finally showed us (when Tony has no Jarvis) that it is Tony who directly controlls his suit by using his brainwaves that can be read or scanned by suit...It's great that it is him who controls the suit...It also shows us that JARVIS (or Friday) is just a sidekick to him who does less important things in the suit or simply make company for Tony and suit is not controlled through some A.I. but directly from tony....
Joss crammed all these characters old and new and somehow made it a all complete coherent well told story.
To Joss Whedon: Props to you good sir!!!
Seen the movie twice now, on first viewing I gave it a 9/10, now I give it a 10/10.
The action for me is the best I've seen i the MCU to date, loved the new characters especially Scarlett Witch and Vision (or is it The Vision?). Liked Dr Cho, she did a great job. Not a huge fan of War Machine in the past, but he was pretty good in this one and hope his character improves in Civil War.
The scope and scale of the thing made it. Everyone had a good length of time on screen but I'd liked to have seen Falcon in the War Machine/Ironman Vs the Ultronbots battle around the helicarrier, but it was good to see him being brought back.
I'll see it again in the next couple of weeks for it is indeed a thing of beauty.
Top 5 MCU Movies - 1) Winter Soldier 10/10. 2) Age of Ultron 10/10. 3) Guardians of the Galaxy 10/10. 4) Thor 10/10. 5) Captain America The First Avenger 9.5/10.
Since I can't quote from a closed thread, and Mods didn't seemed to fuzzed up about the MOS criticisms in this thread, I want to just add:
- Superman saved guy on boat.
- Superman saved ALL the guys on the boat.
- Superman saved kids on the bus.
- Superman saved Lois x 3.
- Superman saved Martha.
- Superman saved the falling military guy.
- Superman saved the Colonel.
- Superman saved the entire world by stopping the World Machine.
- Superman saved the family at the end.
Clearly, in MOS, Superman saved people. And I love that people flat out ignore that most of metropolis was leveled already when he and Zod battled (you know, since he was on the other side of the planet trying to stop all the leveling)...
But I digress to my AOU review:
Overall, it was a good movie. I didn't get the same feels as I did watching A1 but that's to be expected given they'll never be able to capture the "first time" a second time.
Things I loved:
Tony's "dream" sequence
Tony & Banner relationship
"Veronica" VS Hulk fight
The showdown over Vision's creation in the lab
Things I liked:
Ultron intro (mainly due to Spader)
The "chase" sequence to get Vision's body
The final battle (in general)
The final scene with Vision and Ultron
Things I didn't like:
Banner & Widow arc (seemed forced)
Thor's "side mission" lol
Jarvis and Ultron "talking"
No civilian casualties (that's cute Marvel)
Quicksilver in general (glad he's done)
No lasting tension between Cap & Stark in the end
The passive mention of infinity stones
Widow didn't do enough (maybe because she was pregnant?)
Ultron wasnt used enough and seemed somewhat weak
After credits scene was too short (but I liked the idea)
No one seems to have trouble breathing high up in the air
Things I hated:
Unecessary scriptural references
The "circle" fight execution (couldn't see enough)
Poor exploration of why they got back together
How Ultorn was taken down so easily
I've only seen it once so I'm sure I'm forgetting many things I loved, liked, didn't like and even hated but that's what I got.
Exactly what I thought.
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We don't get too "fuzzed up" about the occasional mention of anything....it's when people run it into the ground that our fuzz gets in a heightened state.
Aah, understood. Thank you.
Finally saw it, and I really enjoyed it, BUT, if it wasnt for TWS, I would think Marvel is incapable of making a sequel superior to its predecessor. Unfortunately TWS seems the exception rather than the rule and I hope this changes.
Yeah, I did like it, but everything I liked comes with a but, which is what is disappointing me, and my biggest disappointment, was Hulk's role. As a Hulk fan, I couldnt wait to see him again after 3 years, but instead, he mostly took a back seat to characters I now feel I have seen a little too much of recently in Stark/Iron Man, Cap and Thor. And dont even get me started on the end of the Hulkbuster fight and the Hulkbuster being able to knock Hulk out. That was Iron Man pandering at its worst. And yeah, final battle, Hulk may as well not been there as he did nothing significant. Thats my main beef as a Hulk fan, I would have forgiven all of that if he got a one vs one with Ultron but there wasnt even that.
The action was great from a team aspect, but we all love a hero vs villain fight and in this movie they were all lacking. But IM vs Ultron, Cap vs Ultron, Thor vs UItron and Vision vs Ultron all inexplicably got cut away from just as they were getting good and then when we came back to them they were pretty much over. And please, tell me if I am missing something, what was the point of Thor stalling in his fight with Ultron, just so Vision could hit him with the hammer, couldnt Thor have just kept Ultron busy himself?
As Ultron, I loved what we got from him, he was really compelling when he was on screen and I didnt want many of his scenes to end, but then they would and it would feel we were shortchanged. I loved what they did with him, but like the rest of the movie it could have been more. Spader was great though.
I did like the Twins and Vision, they were good additions to the team, but I feel forcing them in hampered the movie and development of other characters that was needed. Clint was really good this time, and Black Widow was ok but I wasnt a fan of her romance with Banner and it brought nothing for me.
All of the actors did a good job, and the CGI and action was all really good, but again it just feels more could have been done, with everything. The movie should have been longer, and I dont for one minute believe thats because of Joss. He said he wanted the movie shorter, but this is a guy used to developing plots and villains over entire seasons of TV shows, I personally think it was Marvel who wanted it shorter as we all know their obsession with keeping things quick and snappy. And again the movie fell into the usual Marvel tropes, by 2013 these movies starting feeling formulaic, now they feel even more so, they need to change it up more for me and add a bit of edge. Once again I never felt the heroes were in danger in the movie, I never once thought they would lose.
I am going to sound like I hated the movie, lol, I didnt, its an 8/10, and hopefully that improves with a repeat viewing. But I walked out of The Avengers, TWS and GOTG feeling on a high when I saw them, I sadly didnt have that feeling here. I thought after 2014 Marvel were back on track, I feel this movie set them back a tiny step again.
I REALLY hope they make an Extended version. We need to make a petition for one
It does. My second viewing was more enjoyable than the first, mostly because I knew what to expect and knew what details to be looking for. It's a very dense film that definitely could've benefited from an additional 10-15 minutes.
i've seen this twice in the theater and once again "magically"...i think this movie is FANTASTIC.
when we saw avengers 1...we were all entering new territory. our anticipation was through the roof and there really was nothing we had to compare it to. we were all virgins and the movie was great...which ultimately makes it so much tougher for a sequel. we actually now have something to compare it to. the pressure on everyone involved was probably alot more intense for this one. and i think they delivered. we got good moments from everyone. we had a self contained story. and we had progression in the overall MCU storyline. really was a pretty impressive job by everyone. and the action sequences/choreography was just...wow.
Yeh I remember walking into Avengers not knowing what to expect, because as you said it was something we had never seen before! I hate how people are saying Age Of Ultron is the same as the first one, and it is the same as the first one but why is that a bad thing? It's the same as the first one but has better development in characters and the villain has a strong connection to the Avengers unlike Loki. And the visuals are much more spectacular and the story is much more interesting so, yes, its the same concept but then again aren't all superheroes the same concept? Hero v Villain? Either way Avengers Age Of Ultron is now my favorite movie and I can't wait to watch it in IMAX again on the worlds 3rd largest screen in 2 weeks!
Can't help myself, but Vision is weird in this film, for me, he somehow doesn't fit between these characters...however some of his scenes are unbelieveably funny...(hammer lift, telling tony ultrons hates him most..etc.)..but he is somehow..I don'T know...they don't explain his powers...they don't even mention his phasing skills..maybe he is too powerful..plus infinity stone in forehead...simply weird character...your opinions?
Yeah, but, at least he went right into action so the powers didn't NEED to be explained really.
I loved Vision actually, and not because he was worthy of Mjolnir. lol
Yeh thats what I loved, it went straight into the action so characters already developed could be explored deeper.
I also liked that he went right to the action, but still it all seems really weird...simply doesn't fit for me.. he suddenly appears..superpowerful..weird...
Seeing the film for a second time really made me enjoy it even more
Eleven days ago, I thought I could never give a fair judgement to this film. You see, my fiance and I managed to watch the film for the first time back in April, 22nd. The problem was, because we got there late, all we got was the front roll chairs that just sucks in general, but is 100 times worse to those that use prescription glasses like myself.
It was absurd fun, but I didn't get a good grasp of the film because mainly I literally barely managed to keep up with the film because of the place we were watching. That was okay, because we had tickets to not just one, but two sessions for Age of Ultron in April 25th. That Saturday though, fate said that we wouldn't watch the film at that time. My fiance got herself involved in a rollover accident that could have killed her, but thank GOD and all that its sacred that the single thing that happened was that she broke her left collarbone, she is going to go through a surgical procedure but it's a quite simple one and other than that, it's a literally miracle that she got away mostly unharmed.
Obviously, the last days I had different priorities other than getting to watch The Avengers: Age of Ultron again. Regardless how much lucky we are that she is going to get a full recovery, these were very tough times on us, so I was focusing on getting her back to shape. After the things calmed down, she said I should go watch Age of Ultron last night. She knows how much of a big deal these movies are to me, how much everything about me was built around countless hours of my life dedicated to following these heroes and their adventures. I felt guilty for going to watch this without her while she was bed ridden, but since she wasn't feeling any kind of pain anymore for at least one week and the fact that she kept saying I should go, I did.
Never thought that I could give this movie a fair shake because of the mindset I went going in. There's indeed too much stuff going on in my personal life right now and I thought it wouldn't be the same without her by my side. And I was right, after watching it, I felt like I need to watch this film with her as soon as she gets good enough to go out, but I did enjoyed The Avengers: Age of Ultron. In fact, I have not only enjoyed, I ****ing loved The Avengers: Age of Ultron. I've come to the realization that these superhero movies are at a league of their own now, and that among superhero films, Age of Ultron is among the very best superhero films out there, right next to the first one and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. It's a superhero saga turned into a superhero summer blockbuster, and I don't think anyone else could deliver an Avengers film as good as Joss Whedon, and regardless how much I love the Russo Brothers for The Winter Soldier, they have big shoes to fill here and I wish Joss Whedon would stay at the MCU, maybe hands deep at devoloping Spider-Man to the MCU perhaps? Whedon proves that you can make a superhero blockbuster with substance and wit, even going against all odds - and yes, I'm aware of Joss Whedon and Marvel fights over the film behind the scenes, it's just that the film is so ****ing WORTHY that this simply doesn't matter at the end of the day - and I feel like this movie is truly ahead of its time. Some critics don't get it, and probably they never will, because this movie very much like The Empire Strikes Back, it's all about set up, but at the same time, it's right there with The Empire Strikes Back as one of the best sequels to a film I've ever witnessed, and I'd dare to say that it's the best "superhero 2nd film" of all time, but that's just my opinion.
For now, I have had enough of Age of Ultron until my fiance gets back on her feet. I'll be binge watching Daredevil and Agents of SHIELD now with her since she didn't get to see it while she recovers. When she's ready and the blu-ray is avaliable or if the movie is still in the theaters, we are going back. But for now, all I have to say is that against all odds, this is one of the best films Marvel has ever produced. And I'll be watching again and again as soon as WE can. Together.
Saw it a second time, and despite the flaws, I definitely enjoy it more than the first.
that my friend, is true romance. I wish her well in recovery
I saw it yesterday. I think it's one of the better MCU films, though some things irked me slightly.
Things I liked:
- mostly, the team dynamics were done very well. I like how they have learned to fight so well together and that they're (mostly) friends but there is some tension still and they are quick to come to blows against each other. The Avengers seem more dysfunctional than the other superhero team of the MCU - the Guardians - though not as much as in the first film (where it was basically teeth-clenched teamwork until the end) and, besides, I like that. They have a common purpose, and value and respect each other, but they also have big egos.
- Ultron was cool. Not exactly how I imagined him (his kinda wacky mannerisms surprised me) but he was a pretty cool villain. I haven't decided yet if I like his absurd and contradicting plans - on one hand, he is an insane robot, on the other hand the whole thing with turning a city into a meteor in order to trigger an extinction event was soooo stupid
- the twins. Seriously, those two were really cool and I found myself really liking them. I actually wanted even more screentime for them. I liked the story about the tragedy of their childhood, if you try to imagine it it's very horrifying and it's no wonder they volunteered to join the HYDRA supervillain experiments; actually I'm surprised they didn't (try to) murder Tony outright. At the same time, their relationship was done very well and it was clear that, misguided as they were for most of the film, Pietro and Wanda were good people and they loved each other very much.
- the Hulkbuster fight.
Things I disliked:
- the Hulk/Black Widow ship. I mean, what? It totally came out of the blue. I guess they needed to do something with them, considering that they spent a considerable effort to set up Civil War with Cap and Tony, as well as the whole thing with the Infinity Stones with Thor, they had a lot of stuff with Vision and the twins, even Hawkeye got fleshed out with the family and the farm... and well, Hulk and Widow did feel a bit... unimportant? Still, there is only so much story you can tell in 2 hours when you have 6 main characters, 1 insane supervillain (with his convoluted origin and even more convoluted plan to destroy the world!), 2 kinda-tragic supervillains who have to turn good over the course of the movie and whatnot, so I would have understood if some of the characters received less attention. Actually, I think it would have been better than the forced romance.
- the typical... predictability of Whedon's tools of storytelling. A doomed romance that didn't get a happy ending? Checked! A pair of characters that love each other, and everything seems fine and dandy, and then one of them dies ridiculously? Checked (though in Whedon's defense, he usually combines this with the doomed romance, so it was a bit different here... then again, those are the Maximoff twins we're talking about here t! In all honesty, it's not like he's the only guy in the world who uses those tropes and cliches, but I've seen them in everything he's done, from Buffy to Firefly, and the only exception was sort of the first Avengers (even though we still lost a likable character in Coulson, his death wasn't as personally devastating for a single character as it is customary for Whedon) and it just becomes predictable - by the final battle I totally was sure that one of the twins was going to die, simply because I knew that the rest of the Avengers are going to appear in upcoming movies (well, maybe not all of them, but the important ones i.e. not Hawkeye will) and because they were kicking ass, cracking jokes, joined the good guys... it all seemed way too good for a pair of close characters when Joss is at the helm t:
So, overall, I enjoyed the movie. Pretty decent, though in all honesty it felt more like a set-up for Phase 3 than the epic end of Phase 2. Still, entertaining and fun. 7 out of 10.