Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 2

[honestbharani]

It's been established Asgardians can actually survive floating thru space, so we can't assume Loki died after falling off the bridge. He merely got transported thru a wormhole.

Lol.. so your criticism of saying "we should not answer based on conjecture" is actually based on conjecture of your own. Awesome.


You can't assume falling off the bifrost won't kill a person, especially when the Asgardians themselves think it will, which was all established in the movies. Also, Loki is not Asgardian anyways.

 

[Flemm]

That's exactly what it was - a wall break.

It seemed out of place for me.

I didn't love it either. It came across to me as unnecessary.

But maybe they really wanted to send a clear message to the average viewer.

 

[chintai80]

i feel Loki should stay dead.
i think it fit his arc.
he sort of redeemed himself there too.

he was a bad guy first - he tried to steal the throne of asgard then enslave earth.

but then when it came down to it - he tried to save his brother and stop thanos at the end.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Lol.. so your criticism of saying "we should not answer based on conjecture" is actually based on conjecture of your own. Awesome.


You can't assume falling off the bifrost won't kill a person, especially when the Asgardians themselves think it will, which was all established in the movies. Also, Loki is not Asgardian anyways.

No. We saw Thor float thru space and live. Thor is Asgardian. Loki is Asgardian. That's not conjecture that is an ACTUAL plot point established and NOT thru cheap exposition either.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No. We saw Thor float thru space and live. Thor is Asgardian. Loki is Asgardian. That's not conjecture that is an ACTUAL plot point established and NOT thru cheap exposition either.

Loki is not Asgardian. He is a Frost Giant that was adopted by Asgard.

 

[honestbharani]

No. We saw Thor float thru space and live. Thor is Asgardian. Loki is Asgardian. That's not conjecture that is an ACTUAL plot point established and NOT thru cheap exposition either.

When in Thor 1 did Thor float through space? And did you even watch Thor 1 coz you sound like you have no idea what you are talking about at this point.

 

[JtheDreamer]

When in Thor 1 did Thor float through space? And did you even watch Thor 1 coz you sound like you have no idea what you are talking about at this point.

I'm referring to Thor floating thru space after Thanos sacked their ship in IW.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Loki is not Asgardian. He is a Frost Giant that was adopted by Asgard.

He was Johuntein. Odin then used an enchantment to change that.

 

[Drizzle]

For those interested in Screen time, here is IMDBs breakdown of the character screen time in A:IW. I don't think their screen time listings are exactly 100% accurate, as other breakdowns for TA & AoU conflict with theirs...but this is the only such breakdown I can find currently (and it does look at least in the right ball park). Also, it looks like it is rounded to nearest 15secs interval:

Thanos <29>
Gamora <19:30>
Tony Stark / Iron Man <18>
Thor <14:30>
Dr. Stephen Strange <11:30>
Peter Quill / Star-Lord <10:15>
Vision <9:45>
Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch <9>
Dr. Bruce Banner / The Hulk <8:45>
Peter Parker / Spider-Man <7:30>
Steve Rogers <6:45>
Rocket <6>
Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow <5>
Drax <4:45>
Mantis <4:45>
Ebony Maw <4>
Proxima Midnight <3:45>
Cull Obsidian <3:45>
Corvus Glaive <3:30>
King T'Challa / Black Panther <3:30>
Groot II <3:15>
Nebula <3:15>
Okoye <3:15>
Loki <3:15>
Col. James "Rhodey" Rhodes / War Machine <3>
Eitri <2:45>
Wong <2:45>
Sam Wilson / Falcon <2:15>
James "Bucky" Barnes / White Wolf <2>
Pepper Potts <1:30>
The Stonekeeper <1:30>
Princess Shuri <1>
M'Baku <1>
Secretary Thaddeus Ross <1>
Nick Fury <1>
Maria Hill <:45>
Heimdall <:45>
Taneleer Tivan / The Collector <:45>
Ned Leeds <:15>

This seems accurate enough. There's also a decent bootleg floating around online so these numbers could be pretty on the nose.

Seemed like Maw and Strange were in it more

Strange is out of commission for about a good 35-40 minutes between the time he's brought up to the ship and when he wakes up to being tortured by Maw, so his amount of screentime makes sense.

 

[Spider-Fan]

He was Johuntein. Odin then used an enchantment to change that.

He's still Johuntein. Hence why the Casket of Ancient Winters doesn't hurt him. The enchantment merely makes him appear Asgardian.

 

[JtheDreamer]

He's still Johuntein. Hence why the Casket of Ancient Winters doesn't hurt him. The enchantment merely makes him appear Asgardian.

Back to the original point - if Thanos resurrected Loki that would be a major plot point and would have been addressed back in 2012's the Avengers. All we learned was that Thanos gave him knowledge and new purpose. That was it.

It's a tiny pet peeve of mine with the MCU when it relies on fans to speculate or use those pointless prequel comics.

 

[Web-Head]

This seems accurate enough. There's also a decent bootleg floating around online so these numbers could be pretty on the nose.



Strange is out of commission for about a good 35-40 minutes between the time he's brought up to the ship and when he wakes up to being tortured by Maw, so his amount of screentime makes sense.

Goes to show how big of an impression he made too

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think Thanos resurrected Loki either. But, he maybe could have told him he faked his death. Also, Asgard is a major player in the cosmos. Stories of Loki's actions likely traveled the cosmos. I don't think it is that far fetched.

 

[javonstokess]

...I'm sorry, are you arguing about how Thanos would know about Loki's resurrection.


Does it really matter?

 

[Iceman]

Goes to show how big of an impression he made too

Yeah he kind of blew me away in this film. Couldn’t have asked for any more from this character.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Back to the original point - if Thanos resurrected Loki that would be a major plot point and would have been addressed back in 2012's the Avengers. All we learned was that Thanos gave him knowledge and new purpose. That was it.

It's a tiny pet peeve of mine with the MCU when it relies on fans to speculate or use those pointless prequel comics.

No offense but i think those "pointless" prequel comics were made for fans like you. Personally i have no problem with the inevitable gaps and contradictions. Leaves more to discuss with ithers.

 

[javonstokess]

It's a tiny pet peeve of mine with the MCU when it relies on fans to speculate or use those pointless prequel comics.

You realize comics used to be like that for DECADES. Marvel even had a tradition for them called "No-Prizes".

 

[JtheDreamer]

You realize comics used to be like that for DECADES. Marvel even had a tradition for them called "No-Prizes".

I get that.

Film is a different medium though. It's just one of the unintended consequences of a film this size.

 

[KingCheops]

If it were, he would've said: "No Russorections."

I don't know why but this portmanteau seems extremely dirty to me. Lol.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If it were, he would've said: "No Russorections."

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I would like to know how Feige, the Russos and the screenplay writers made their decisions on who to team up with who?

 

[Doc Samson]

Just saw it today finally.

And wow. Sufficiently insane were the first thoughts that came to mind. I was concerned, although I loved Winter Soldier and Civil War (2 of my favs of all time really) that the Russo's might not be able to do action on the scale that I felt would be necessary.

Boy was I wrong.

This is, without doubt, the best Avengers film, IMO, the best Marvel film, and ultimately in my top 5 superhero movies of all time. This is what I so desperately wanted the first two Avengers to be, epic and tense, with real consequences. At least for the moment, but I'll get into that in a bit.

First off, Thanos was awesome, and with due respect to Killmonger and Loki, the best villain so far in MCU history. As he should be. He was emotive for a cgi creation, and felt, finally, like a true threat. I thought Brolin did a remarkable job.

Never the biggest Thor fan, but I felt he was a little weak in the first Avengers particularly, but they made up for it here. Between this and Ragnarok, Thor regained stature and power as the god he is. I loved it.

Not so much the Hulk, and as a Hulk fan, I really hope this "arc" is going someplace. I'm still waiting on a different manifestation so maybe this is what we'll get, with the Professor or Gray Hulk making an appearance. As it stands though, I was slightly bothered.

The jokes actually felt organic! The stuff with Thor and Quill was great, and for the first time since maybe IM1 I felt the balance between comedy, tension and action was good.

And the action, holy ****!! This is what I've been waiting for, and they delivered. Almost everyone involved had a "moment" that, again, seemed organic and balanced.

The gripes? Didn't love Quill being, essentially, the cause of all death lol. Just was odd, even though his motivations could be understood. Other than that, my biggest issue is the feeling that all of this is going to be reversed in the next film. I thought it was ballsy to even give the impression that Thanos actually succeeded. But we all know in some sort of way, most of these characters will return, and it's a shame. This was an awesome film, I can only hope part II gives us a worthy resolution.

9/10, a true epic, a true classic, and a childhood kid's dream come true on the silver screen.

 

[Adder]

Idk where the idea that Loki keeps dying and coming back in the MCU comes from. Or the idea that resurrections are common in the MCU movies. From my understanding Loki has only died once and that was in IW. His "death" in dark world was an illusion and it seemed clear to me that when he fell off the bifrost he just ended up somewhere else where Thanos found him. The only resurrections that I can remember have been on the MCU TV shows.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Idk where the idea that Loki keeps dying and coming back in the MCU comes from. Or the idea that resurrections are common in the MCU movies. From my understanding Loki has only died once and that was in IW. His "death" in dark world was an illusion and it seemed clear to me that when he fell off the bifrost he just ended up somewhere else where Thanos found him. The only resurrections that I can remember have been on the MCU TV shows.

Thor's words in A1: "I thought you dead". Then... He thought he was dead again in TDW only for THAT to be untrue again.

It's something the audience would expect, that Loki would "trick" his way out of so Thanos himself makes it clear.

As for the rest of the MCU, there are more than enough examples in the films of them using this.

TFA: Bucky dies only to come back in TWS.

TWS: Fury is shown dead on the hospital table only to return by the last act.

IM3: Pepper is engulfed in flames and Tony thinks she's bought it only for her to come back.

And as you mentioned Phil dies and gets better.

This isn't an observation pulled out of thin air.

 

[Adder]

Thor's words in A1: "I thought you dead". Then... He thought he was dead again in TDW only for THAT to be untrue again.

It's something the audience would expect, that Loki would "trick" his way out of so Thanos himself makes it clear.

As for the rest of the MCU, there are more than enough examples in the films of them using this.

TFA: Bucky dies only to come back in TWS.

TWS: Fury is shown dead on the hospital table only to return by the last act.

IM3: Pepper is engulfed in flames and Tony thinks she's bought it only for her to come back.

And as you mentioned Phil dies and gets better.

This isn't an observation pulled out of thin air.

The only example that has the smallest bit of validity in the films is the bucky example. And that comes from the likelihood that the general audience wouldn't know where buckys story is set up to go in later films like it was in the comics. Faking your death or creating the fear in other characters or the audience that a character might have just died for dramatic effect don't count as a death and resurrection. Did Indiana Jones die and come back to life when the tank went off the cliff in the last crusade?