The Dark Knight Batman Begins or The Dark Knight?

[the GRIN Reaper]

Batman Begins isn't a Batman movie ... its 1st act is literally a fleshed out version of the Man Who Falls, and the last 2 acts are Batman Year One and The Long Halloween. Didn't really get more Batman than that.

Just didn't understand what you meant. Have you ever read any of the classic mythology stories of Batman?

 

[Parquagh]

TDK all the way, I think because of the villains; they were great in Begins, but here we had them masterfully developed through the film, even when Two Face died in the end. (Or possibly in a coma for those who still think he's alive, lol)

 

[blitz]

Very close but I just had more little problems with the Dark Knight then BB. So I'm gonna have to say BB for now.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

I see them both as one whole movie.

 

[the_tortel]

I will always cherish begins as the best origin story I've seen, but I LOVE TDK a little better

 

[mackblack01]

The dark knight

 

[Mr. Joker]

BB was a great origin movie, but even that greatness didn't help it surpass the awesomeness that was TDK.

 

[crazyrabbits]

I'd say in my opinion that they're on par with each other. BB has one of the franchise's best origin stories and innovative action scenes, but suffers from the poor casting of Holmes and the silly climax with the water device. TDK has the best on-screen Joker, some brilliant action scenes, a great story and an excellent supporting cast, but it runs about fifteen minutes too long and features some painfully silly "humorous" moments.

 

[Ace Rockolla]

Just as I expected, the ol' wiener shaped bar graph result by putting the no-brainer choice in the middle. Well played.

TDK, by the way. Awesome villains, great story, great everything.

 

[CWP]

I gotta say that I liked seeing Batman Begins over The Dark Knight. Of course, The Dark Knight is full of awesome, but still.

 

[SheldonLevene]

TDK is a better film. As a Batman movie though I still really love BB.

 

[HiPPiE]

There really is no arguement here....TDK is the best.

Batman Begins is a great movie.....Not just the most realistic Batman movie ever....But the first to really nail the comic whereas Burton's was too much of Burton's goth and Schumacher was too much of the 60's TV show.

Begins also gives us the best origin story ever for a Comic movie....We finally get to see just how Batman.....Begins.

What makes TDK not just the best Batman/Comic/year/decade/century movie is that there is no half hour setup....No pesky origins that most of the time everyone knows who they are....As soon as the blue flames leave the screen the action begins....Forget comic movies....How many great movies in general jump straight into action with only brief moments to let you catch your breath.

 

[Angelus]

I did not like the Dark Knight, because it made no sense when it counted.

1. Why would Batman save the Joker at least twice after killing hundreds of people and his girlfriend?

2. Ra's al Ghul taught him to "Do what's necessary i.e. kill when you have to" Bruce Wayne is a slow learner. He let's Ra's al Ghul die and he save the Joker (twice)

My point, there is no progression of the Batman in TDK. He doesn't show he learned anything from Ra's al Ghul. He does not kill the Joker and the result is the Joker kills again, again, and again.

 

[daystew]

I did not like the Dark Knight, because it made no sense when it counted.

1. Why would Batman save the Joker at least twice after killing hundreds of people and his girlfriend?

2. Ra's al Ghul taught him to "Do what's necessary i.e. kill when you have to" Bruce Wayne is a slow learner. He let's Ra's al Ghul die and he save the Joker (twice)

My point, there is no progression of the Batman in TDK. He doesn't show he learned anything from Ra's al Ghul. He does not kill the Joker and the result is the Joker kills again, again, and again.

Wow, have you ever picked up a Batman comic in your entire life? A core concept Batman holds to is that he does not kill, under any circumstances. There is a difference between killing and not saving someone (which is what happened to Ra's).

Furthermore, just because Ra's preached a gospel of no mercy in no way means that Batman was supposed to follow it, he was supposed to stand between individuals who mercilessly prey on the innocent, and while Joker was far from innocent, Batman's strongest attribute is his restraint.

 

[Bads316]

The fact that he let Ra's die-yet saved Joker , tells me that he has learnt something.

 

[HiPPiE]

I don't have a problem with him saving the Joker because that's exactly what happens....How many issues(Or even episodes of TAS) have there been when Batman had the Joker's life in his hands and every time he lets him live....That goes to the very core of the Batman/Joker relationship....No matter how many he kills....No matter how twisted and evil he gets....Batman will not kill the Joker.

 

[chaseter]

I did not like the Dark Knight, because it made no sense when it counted.

1. Why would Batman save the Joker at least twice after killing hundreds of people and his girlfriend?

2. Ra's al Ghul taught him to "Do what's necessary i.e. kill when you have to" Bruce Wayne is a slow learner. He let's Ra's al Ghul die and he save the Joker (twice)

My point, there is no progression of the Batman in TDK. He doesn't show he learned anything from Ra's al Ghul. He does not kill the Joker and the result is the Joker kills again, again, and again.

1. Batman doesn't kill criminals. Batman threw the Joker off of the building...and saved him. Batman would have been his direct cause of death.

2. Batman didn't do anything to Ra's and said "I don't have to kill you, but I don't have to save you." Batman didn't throw Ra's into that situation like he threw Joker into.

Batman is learning from his mistakes...he even says that when he stitches himself up. The problem with Batman is that he underestimates people.

 

[HiPPiE]

2. Batman didn't do anything to Ra's and said "I don't have to kill you, but I don't have to save you." Batman didn't throw Ra's into that situation like he threw Joker into.

Not too sure about that one....The train going off the tracks was due to Gordon blowing up the track....And blowing up the track was in fact Batman's plan and Batman's Tumbler blowing up said track....So in a way....He did throw Ra's into that situation.

 

[chaseter]

Not too sure about that one....The train going off the tracks was due to Gordon blowing up the track....And blowing up the track was in fact Batman's plan and Batman's Tumbler blowing up said track....So in a way....He did throw Ra's into that situation.

He didn't tell Gordon to blow up the tracks...he told him where the train was heading.

 

[HiPPiE]

He didn't tell Gordon to blow up the tracks...he told him where the train was heading.

So basically Gordon....With never being in the tumbler before just knew how to load up the rockets and fire them....Remember Gordon's reaction to the seat moving into the "lay down" mode(I don't know what it's called...I usually call it one of the dumb moments).

Gordon's smart....But not that smart.

Bats knew that track was getting blown sky high

 

[Seen]

It was Ra's choice to get into that train and gas the entire city. Yes, it was Batman's plan undoubtedly to blow up the train track, but if you remember, Ra's destroyed the controls which disabled the train from stopping.

When Ra's said something along the lines of, "You can't stop this train", Batman replies with...

..."Who said anything about stopping it?". Ra's thought Batman was trying to stop the train, when he wasn't. He was trying to stall Ra's. Ra's destroyed the breaks. Regardless of who blow up the train track or whose ever idea it was, it was him who decided to disable the breaks.

And in return, creating a situation for himself that he could not get out of. Batman wasn't going to save him from that situation, either. He wasn't going to outright kill him ("So you've finally learned to do what is necessary...") but he wasn't going to save him from the predicament Ra's got himself into.

 

[chaseter]

So basically Gordon....With never being in the tumbler before just knew how to load up the rockets and fire them....Remember Gordon's reaction to the seat moving into the "lay down" mode(I don't know what it's called...I usually call it one of the dumb moments).

Gordon's smart....But not that smart.

Bats knew that track was getting blown sky high

Bats didn't sit down and show Gordon a quick run through of what buttons to press. Gordon entered Wayne Tower in the gps, the car drove there, and Gordon himself blew up the tracks...remember he missed with one shot.

The point being, Ra's put himself in a situation in which he should have been able to get out of...minding his surroundings Batman threw the Joker off of the building. Two totally different scenarios.

 

[HiPPiE]

Bats didn't sit down and show Gordon a quick run through of what buttons to press. Gordon entered Wayne Tower in the gps, the car drove there, and Gordon himself blew up the tracks...remember he missed with one shot.

The point being, Ra's put himself in a situation in which he should have been able to get out of...minding his surroundings Batman threw the Joker off of the building. Two totally different scenarios.

Oh there is no question that it's two totally different scenarios....But I just don't think that Bats is 100% guilt free when it comes to Ra's....Then again i'm one of those that thinks that Ra's is still alive.

 

[chaseter]

Oh there is no question that it's two totally different scenarios....But I just don't think that Bats is 100% guilt free when it comes to Ra's....Then again i'm one of those that thinks that Ra's is still alive.

Nooooooooooooooooooo

He is alive...in another form

I am sure Bats felt bad that his mentor died and that it escalated to that situation. But I don't think he felt that Ra's death was his fault. As someone else stated...Ra's destroyed the breaks on his own accord. Secondly, doing so, Wayne Tower was going to explode from all the pressure when the train got to it. So when Ra's was on that train...it was literally a death sentence which also notes the fact that Ra's was alone on that train. Maybe Ra's knew it was a suicide mission.

 

[jaymes_e06]

The Dark Knight It was actually good!