BvS Batman casting thread for Man Of Steel 2 - Part 6

[maluka]

Not bad but first and foremost an actor needs to be charismatic in the role. As Reeve was, as Downey and Bale are. Cavill was not so all the looks in the world sort of fall flat.

Frankly, if they get a Strong to play Luthor and say a Brolin to play Bats and Cavill can't up his game, he will be totally overshadowed in the next film. Basically Superman taking a back seat to Luthor and Batman.

I did not think he played badly.
When I watch Routh, I think he lacks of charisma and I can't help but being bothered by his nose or his eyes (too close ), it distracts me to watch his movies.
On the contrary, he was as believable as Reeves.
He was sweet, nice, charming, helpful, angry, anxious, sad, in pain...
Well, you can see all his emotions in the movie when you're in a Henry cavill fan club and there are a lot.

Personally, I thought Henry overshadowed the others, not the reverse.
But the thing which overshadowed everything was the big kryptonian tentacle

 

[Tobias]

That's the problem right there. If WB is smart, they will listen to the criticisms. Unfortunately, they are not. You can legitimately argue that WB is mentally ******ed at this point. The fact that they were expecting MOS to make at least $1 billion is evidence of that. Regardless of the MOS' quality and of how it was marketed, there is no way it could have ever made $1 billion.

Also, just to inform you, WB did get someone other than Goyer in there - Snyder . People can say whatever they want about Goyer, but he is by no means a horrible writer. He just needs someone there to polish his scripts and to translate his ideas better on page. He always delivers great scripts when co-writing with a great writer there to polish his stuff. The problem with MOS' script is that it lacked that polishing and didn't feel like a "final draft". Now there will be someone there to provide that and it is a bad writer. It gets worse than even that. Snyder also plans to talk to Frank Miller and get some ideas for the film from him. Asking Frank Miller in the 21st century for some input in a film is literally going out of your way to make the film suck. Hearing that is what pretty much killed this entire film for me. Whatever teeny tiny little hope I had for this film is now gone.

Plus, say what you want about MOS, but despite its flaws I feel that the production crew put a lot of heart into it and at least tried to find the best possible balance between Superman's godlike nature and his humanity, plus the best balance between modernizing him while still keeping who he is intact. Whether or not they succeeded is entirely subjective (they really succeeded IMO) but at least they tried. With this film, it doesn't even feel like they're trying or putting any heart into it. Snyder even admitted that he is only doing this because WB made him do it. Goyer said they don't even have a title yet. They're asking Frank Miller for help.

You make excellent points. Frankly I can't see why so many are willing to give Snyder and team a pass.

The one billion expectation is just crazy. It says a lot about WB's perceptions. Unfortunately, Superman is not a billion dollar franchise like Batman or IM or AV or maybe Thor - it'll be interesting to see how it performs.

That said, Superman can be a successful franchise. MOS will end up around 660 million WW (depending on Japan) and that is good for almost any non-top tier franchise. A well done MOS could have done better. Maybe like TASM. Sadly that may not be acceptable to WB for Superman yet, if Flash or WW did 660 million they'd be ordering up multiple sequels.

WB is rushing the next film which shows they are still in reactive mode. The script is being rushed as filming needs to start sooner than later for a summer 2015 release.

One question - why not Christmas 2015? If not 2016.

I agree - it doesn't feel that they are putting their hearts into it. Snyder clearly is being dragged into doing it.

Recipe for disaster and that WB doesn't see that is discouraging.

 

[regwec]

The fact he is the descendant of the city's founding family is quite important, for the broader mythology.

Edit: sorry, we have moved on about eight pages.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Well, if the goal is to cast an actor who has the same background as the character, than white Americans should be cast to fill the roles of white Americans.

That's not the goal, as you put it. An actor/actress should, in my opinion, possess sufficient characteristics -- both physical and mental -- to effectively give a convincing performance. If you're portraying the role of an Asian character, for example, you need not be wholly Asian yourself (you can be half or whatever), but you should look the part.

 

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[Tempest]

Was it that guy with the face and the hair? I loved him in that one movie or show that he was in.

He was in a movie, and he did have that face and hair! OMG, I'm so glad you know him! I'll probably wake up and remember at like 3 am. If that happens I am definitely going to post about him.

Re: Bruce Wayne's race....I don't think it matters who plays a super hero, as long as it's done well. But we get into a slippery slope here, because if we white-wash a character who is African-American, then it becomes insulting. One of the main reasons I didn't go see Avatar: Air Bender was because of how the film white-washed the characters. And don't get me started on Johnny Depp playing Tonto.

On the other hand, I see no reason, family history aside, that we couldn't have had some of the settlers be something other than White Europeans. While the DC world is meant to be similar to our world, it is also quite different in many respects, so they don't have to follow the same rules and history we have.

 

[Shikamaru]

What about Bruce Wayne dictates that he must be white?

The fact that his family has been there for Gotham and has contributed to its foundation since the city's first inception back in the 1700's.

 

[Tempest]

The fact that his family has been there for Gotham and has contributed to its foundation since the city's first inception back in the 1700's.

Maybe the history can be different, and we don't have " early settler = white ".

It's a fictional world, after all. They can do pretty much whatever they want with it.

 

[king666]

You make excellent points. Frankly I can't see why so many are willing to give Snyder and team a pass.

The one billion expectation is just crazy. It says a lot about WB's perceptions. Unfortunately, Superman is not a billion dollar franchise like Batman or IM or AV or maybe Thor - it'll be interesting to see how it performs.

That said, Superman can be a successful franchise. MOS will end up around 660 million WW (depending on Japan) and that is good for almost any non-top tier franchise. A well done MOS could have done better. Maybe like TASM. Sadly that may not be acceptable to WB for Superman yet, if Flash or WW did 660 million they'd be ordering up multiple sequels.

WB is rushing the next film which shows they are still in reactive mode. The script is being rushed as filming needs to start sooner than later for a summer 2015 release.

One question - why not Christmas 2015? If not 2016.

I agree - it doesn't feel that they are putting their hearts into it. Snyder clearly is being dragged into doing it.

Recipe for disaster and that WB doesn't see that is discouraging.

oh, tobias, you haven't changed a bit.

 

[Tobias]

oh, tobias, you haven't changed a bit.

How so?

BTW, am I wrong?

WB is rushing the release of the Batman/Superman team-up/sequel?

XMAS 2015 is a lot better than summer 2015 for the release?

Goyer needs a co-writer and the film editing team needs to be replaced?

Superman can be a successful franchise w/o doing Batman or IronMan numbers?

 

[Shikamaru]

Maybe the history can be different, and we don't have " early settler = white ".

It's a fictional world, after all. They can do pretty much whatever they want with it.

Meh. Don't see the point in doing that just to get someone of a different race. Going out of their way to do that in a universe they already established as to be realistic and very similar to ours but with superheroes would just scream of them only getting a colored actor for social commentary as opposed to them getting that actor because he is the best part for the role they could find.

 

[GreenKToo]

Yeah I want to get back to talking about the Batman casting. If I wanted to listen to the haters whine, I'd go into a review thread. I purposefully avoid those threads for a reason.

It's a shame they used JGL in the last Bat-film because he would have been at the top of my list for Bruce Wayne/Batman.

Agreed. this isnt the thread to whine and complain about MoS.
I'm really loving the thought of either hamm or mounts. neither will get it of course.

 

[Project862006]

i agree tons of whiners in here

 

[king666]

How so?

BTW, am I wrong?

WB is rushing the release of the Batman/Superman team-up/sequel?

XMAS 2015 is a lot better than summer 2015 for the release?

Goyer needs a co-writer and the film editing team needs to be replaced?

Superman can be a successful franchise w/o doing Batman or IronMan numbers?

"Batman casting thread for Man Of Steel 2 - Part 6"

 

[Tempest]

Meh. Don't see the point in doing that just to get someone of a different race. Going out of their way to do that in a universe they already established as to be realistic and very similar to ours but with superheroes would just scream of them only getting a colored actor for social commentary as opposed to them getting that actor because he is the best part for the role they could find.

I don't know that anyone here has suggested that we do it to get someone from a different race. The discussion was "If there was a great actor who is non-white to portray Batman, could we do it".

So I think the answer is "Yes".

I'm not suggesting we change anything 'just because'. But if there is an ultra-fab actor out there who could do it, and he happens to be non-white, then by golly, change the damn history!

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It's a fictional world, after all. They can do pretty much whatever they want with it.

I'm usually never on board with modifications designed to fix something that was never broken in the first place; and that hasn't changed. However, if you can expand and further develop a methodology without radically altering the history or background of one or more prominent characters, that's something else entirely. By all means, tell new and exciting stories! Don't abandon a formula that worked amazingly well for ages though.

 

[Supernewbie]

Just checked out the latest on this casting discussion and saw that it's gotten racial.

So on that note, Anthony Ruivivar is actually the voice actor on the new show Beware the Batman.

What's my point to posting this? Just that anyone can play Batman, but it has to be done right... in this case, an animated form.
I would accept a non-white actor in a live action film if it's actually intended to be a new take on the character. I mean they changed Nick Fury already, and just went with it. With Batman though, it would be harder for general audiences to accept.

 

[GreenKToo]

so, im curious. how do most of you want this Batman to be portrayed, Like the Nolan Batman, or more like the animated batman and JL series Batman.
EdIT: let me add, I want him somewhere in the middle.

 

[GreenKToo]

Just checked out the latest on this casting discussion and saw that it's gotten racial.

So on that note, Anthony Ruivivar is actually the voice actor on the new show Beware the Batman.

What's my point to posting this? Just that anyone can play Batman, but it has to be done right... in this case, an animated form.

I'm not trying to be a smartazz by saying this, but paint his face white and thats the joker right there.

 

[Supernewbie]

I'm not trying to be a smartazz by saying this, but paint his face white and thats the joker right there.

OH YEAH, absolutely! Never would've thought of this guy.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

so, im curious. how do most of you want this Batman to be portrayed, Like the Nolan Batman, or more like the animated batman and JL series Batman.
EdIT: let me add, I want him somewhere in the middle.

Animated Batman and Justice League series all the way, but I don't mind some influence from Nolan's interpretation.

 

[Supernewbie]

so, im curious. how do most of you want this Batman to be portrayed, Like the Nolan Batman, or more like the animated batman and JL series Batman.
EdIT: let me add, I want him somewhere in the middle.

I'd like a Batman who's first meeting Superman. How would he react, think, strategize how to deal with a God like being? This Batman would be a total underdog and yet actually be more experienced than the novice Superman.

So what I'm saying is closest to the comic book style Batman and animated one in that he's always thinking of a way to win.

 

[John Lambert]

That's not the goal, as you put it. An actor/actress should, in my opinion, possess sufficient characteristics -- both physical and mental -- to effectively give a convincing performance. If you're portraying the role of an Asian character, for example, you need not be wholly Asian yourself (you can be half or whatever), but you should look the part.

People can look more or less the part. Otherwise we would not have Ben Kingsley cast as Ghandi and also cast as Vladimer Lenin and Simon Wisenthal, and Meyer Lansky. If We can cast Kingsley in such ethnically diverse roles of real historical people, we certainly can cast a character like Batman in multiple ethnicities.

 

[GreenKToo]

Animated Batman and Justice League series all the way, but I don't mind some influence from Nolan's interpretation.

I know. I've got it in my head that this Batman will have to be able to keep up with supes, so the strictly nolan interpretation of Bats wont do.
I want him to be like sherlock holmes, and agile/quick enough that even supes would be surprised at his speed.

 

[John Lambert]

Maybe the history can be different, and we don't have " early settler = white ".

It's a fictional world, after all. They can do pretty much whatever they want with it.

Well, I know Hispanic people who can trace their ancestry to the Mayflower.