BvS Batman casting thread for Man Of Steel 2 - Part 6

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Just checked out the latest on this casting discussion and saw that it's gotten racial.

So on that note, Anthony Ruivivar is actually the voice actor on the new show Beware the Batman.
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What's my point to posting this? Just that anyone can play Batman, but it has to be done right... in this case, an animated form.
I would accept a non-white actor in a live action film if it's actually intended to be a new take on the character. I mean they changed Nick Fury already, and just went with it. With Batman though, it would be harder for general audiences to accept.

But Ruivivar is not "non-white", he has Spanish, German and Scottish ancestry. We could pass his off as the descendant of the founding families of Gotham, but his parents met while his father was in Hawaii with the military or something. He is totally explainable with not much change to the story.
 
I think it would be more realistic if people factor in the schedules of the TV actors before suggesting them. I myself have been suggesting Joe M but I kind of know that his show will absolutely not give him time off.

You brought up a good point Slumcat... Now I think Jon Hamm and Joe Manganiello might not have much of a chance at this.

And a film actor like Orlando Bloom can because he's not as busy.

So even though many would want Jon or Joe, it may go to film actor rather than TV one.
 
Sort of like Perry White should remain White? Oh wait, they changed that. I see no reason to impose a race-based casting criteria on Batman. This is one way that L&C was the wave of the future, they gave us two leads cast with people from the mixed ethnic backgrounds that are going to become more and more common. over half the children born in the US last year were "non-white", but many of them had one parent who was white.


Perry White does not = Batman, he's a supporting character. **** whatever you do with Perry White. He's not Lois and he's not even as big as Alfred.

I wish people would knock it off with the "Dean Cain is japanese" or whatever BS, he looked white enough for Superman, which is why he was cast. Just because a guy is 1/5 asian doesn't mean we suddenly have an asian Superman. Don't even get me started on Teri Hatcher.

I wouldn't go touting Cain around as someone great anyway, to most Superman fans his Superman is one of the worst portrayals (his Clark is pretty decent though, IMO).

Batman has to be white. Superman has to be white. Only way you change their races is if they suddenly start becoming incredibly unpopular or if you replace them with some new alias. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Sure, Perry probably falls under that category, but nobody gives a **** about Perry White.

Not if Perry White doesn't have to be white, and if Superman does not have to be white. Doubt me on that? Is Dean Cain white? He was born Dean Tanaka, because his biological father was of Japanese descent. So, Superman does not have to be white. Arguably they have even cast a non-white Lois Lane, but that depends on how you define white. Teri Hatcher is a quarter-Syrians, which by the standards used at my high school would have clearly made her non-white. She is also part Choctaw, but realistically that does not make her non-white. If the census had their way, she would say she was white on the census, but I am not convinced the census is right to try to class Arabs as white.

Dude, Teri Hatcher was white. She's about as "mixed" as any average person would be, including myself. You're reaaaallly reaching with that, that whole argument is pretty absurd.
 
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Changing a character's skin color is a big thing. It's not like a different hair color or jawline. I honestly don't like the idea.
 
I would be fine with an african american as Lex tho..Denzel or Idris Elba come to mind, but Denzel would knock it out of the park.
 
I just remembered this Venezuelan actor suggested by quite a few several pages ago.

Edgar Ramirez (36 years old, 5'10)
He was in Wrath of the Titans as Ares and Zero Dark Thirty and Carlos.
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He's got the look for Bruce Wayne, his ethnicity is not an issue at all, just whether or not he can play an American with the right accent.
 
Yeah, a black Lex...It would be fine! :)
I like your idea :)

And now...let's go back to bat!
What's new?
Have someone confirmed this rumor about Orlando?

edit: I don't thin he has the good looks either.

Hey, guys...which characteristics do you think Bruce should have?
Are they based on an anime? A comic book?
Because I don't understand why it's so different...
 
edgar has a great look, his accent is the problem.

But Ruivivar is not "non-white", he has Spanish, German and Scottish ancestry. We could pass his off as the descendant of the founding families of Gotham, but his parents met while his father was in Hawaii with the military or something. He is totally explainable with not much change to the story.

lol no. i can't even imagine the **** storm if by some odd chance an actor like him got cast. you'd here everything from, "bruce wayne's not mexican!"( i know he's not mexican, but that's the first thing the morons would say) and every racial slur the idiots of the internets could come up with.
 
Changing a character's skin color is a big thing. It's not like a different hair color or jawline. I honestly don't like the idea.

Uh-huh. Look, I get what people are saying, but I think a more ethnic Batman wouldn't kill us if it happened. I'm not saying it should happen, but if it did, I don't think I'd have a problem with it.

Regardless, this is really a non-issue. The nastiness that would occur by changing Batman's ethnicity would be so bad, WB would never risk it. Which is a really sad statement about the world, but it is what it is.

Anyway, so what do people think of the idea of Orlando Bloom for Batman? I'm intrigued by the idea, more so than by the other names that have been floated out there.
 
Bloom is a sore subject lol.
 
Well, I know Hispanic people who can trace their ancestry to the Mayflower.

Mayflower passengers were primarily of British descent. Unless the "Hispanic people" you're referring to have partial British admixture, it's unlikely that their forebears were part of that voyage. European Spaniards (a racially distinct group from hispanics, who are actually an amalgamation of Europeans, indigenous South Americans, and West Africans) did play a pretty big role in the colonization of certain American colonies, however. :yay:
 
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Did you also have a problem with partly-Asian Lana Lang in Smallville? Are you mad that they made Perry White black in MOS? Perry White has clearly had his race changed. He has had nearly as many appearances in live television and film as Batman, so this is a major change to a major character. If they can do it to Perry, they can do it to Batman.

Lol, give me a break. Lana was "asian" on Smallville? I'm glad you told me that, because I didn't know that until you brought it up, surely if she were asian, it would have been obvious by looking at her. If I analyze her, I can see some "asian" in her, but that is only because I am looking for it and someone told me it was there (so I see what I want to see in part), if not then she just seems like white Lana Lang to me. Lol. This is ridiculous.

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Lol, she looks as "asian" as Teri Hathcer. :lmao:

That's not the goal, as you put it. An actor/actress should, in my opinion, possess sufficient characteristics -- both physical and mental -- to effectively give a convincing performance. If you're portraying the role of an Asian character, for example, you need not be wholly Asian yourself (you can be half or whatever), but you should look the part.

Thank you for summing this up. :up:

Just checked out the latest on this casting discussion and saw that it's gotten racial.

So on that note, Anthony Ruivivar is actually the voice actor on the new show Beware the Batman.
aruivivar_batman.jpg

What's my point to posting this? Just that anyone can play Batman, but it has to be done right... in this case, an animated form.
I would accept a non-white actor in a live action film if it's actually intended to be a new take on the character. I mean they changed Nick Fury already, and just went with it. With Batman though, it would be harder for general audiences to accept.

This is Kevin Michael Richardson:

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He voiced The Joker on The Batman:

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This is James Earl Jones:

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He provides the voice of this character:

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This is actor Mike Henry, who is white:

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He voices the character Cleveland Brown on The Cleveland Show and Family Guy (as well as a host of other ethnic and racial characters).


The fact of the matter is that Batman, Joker, Darth Vader, etc, are all still the races they always are and haven't changed. Bruce Wayne is still white on Beware The Batman, Joker is still white (very white :o ) on The Batman. What is happening in these cases is the actors are essentially putting on white flesh and blood and playing those characters, so physically they are still white. And their voices being "black" or "ethnic", they speak in clear english without any enunciation that would indicate that they are a specific race different from that of the character they are voicing, so again, you still have the white character being the white character. Even with Carl Lumbly, who is also black, who plays the Martian Manhunter on the JL/JLU animated shows (even though Martian Manhunter's main alias, Detective John Jones would actually be one of the few "BIG" characters I'd be okay if they changed races with, on the animated show he is white as he is in the comics, but here is where a race change would not only be welcome, IMO, but also make sense, as he can take on whatever form we wants, so to me it can go either way (hell, do some stories where he is white OR black, they could switch it up every week if they wanted, lol) - and I will digress a bit because Lumbly sounded a little bit jamaican at times if you listened for it but that to me worked great with driving home the "other worldly" aspect of his character, but the latent person couldn't really tell whether or not he was white or black (or whatever) for sure just based solely off his voice).

Fury is different because he is a reinvention of the "regular" Marvel U character and from a different universe, the "Ultimates" Universe, and is actually more popular than his regular Marvel Universe counterpart, who was struggling as a character for years and not nearly as popular as the other Marvel heroes to begin with, so a "re-imagining" is welcome, here is a perfect example of a character who was "broken" and is now "fixed", yet as far as comics go, fans of the "regular" Nick Fury can still be pleased because their version is still around and exists simultaneously with the more media-ized Ultimate Samuel L. Jackson-esque Nick Fury. Everybody wins.

I cannot believe that a voice actor in an animated property was just compared to an actor in a live action property where the actor must give an actual physical performance. :doh:

The only way in live action that a black actor should play a character that is always white and works well that way and does not need fixed and is not some new character is that they somehow are made to look physically like them too, and vice versa, through prosthetics and makeup, etc. That is the only way I would be okay with that. You may think that's absurd, but when it comes down to it, in order to remain that character, that is what would have to be done, unless it were a completely different character. It's just a fact and how portrayals work.
 
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^^ Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about if they cast actors who don't physically look anything like their character at all. (Well, sans the sex change, they'd have to be male if they are playing a male and vice versa, but hey, that argument could be next :o )

EDIT: THIS GOES THE SAME FOR LEX LUTHOR AS WELL. LUTHOR IS NOT BLACK. HE'S WHITE. IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DON'T "FIX" IT.
 
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If they cast a big name actor for Lex (like DiCaprio) then you might see a not as big actor as Batman.
 
The amount of blatant racism in here is astonishing. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
The amount of blatant racism in here is astonishing. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

There's no racism here, some of us just want to see the characters as they have always been portrayed/as they are in the source material. If anything, there's blatant ignorance here on the parts of those who fail to understand this.

I want a black actor to play John Stewart and Black Panther, and wouldn't audition whites. I hope that's okay with you.


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Unless it were RDJ. :o :p
 
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Batman's skin is white. Fin.
So much collectivist bull****.
 
If James Earl Jones sounded like Samuel L. Jackson, he wouldn't have provided the voice of Darth Vader. As goes for any voice actor portraying a character that is different from their real life ethnicity, if they sounded specifically different from what you'd imagine to come out of said character's mouth, they wouldn't be playing them. Simple. :dry:
 
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