BvS Batman casting thread for Man Of Steel 2 - Part 6

[Tempest]

There's no racism here, some of us just want to see the characters as they have always been portrayed/as they are in the source material. If anything, there's blatant ignorance here on the parts of those who fail to understand this.

I want a black actor to play John Stewart and Black Panther, and wouldn't audition whites. I hope that's okay with you.


EDIT:

Spoiler

Unless it were RDJ.

No, it's definitely got a racist feel to it. You may not mean it to, but I'm definitely getting a vibe of desperation to keep things white. It's...it's really not a flattering way to come across.

Someone's a little afraid of change. I hope they cast a really, really pretty man to be Batman. And I hope Jenny replaces Jimmy Olsen. That would just make your head explode, wouldn't it?

 

[Supernewbie]

I cannot believe that a voice actor in an animated property was just compared to an actor in a live action property where the actor must give an actual physical performance.

Kevin Smith, I only mentioned the voice actor Anthony Ruivivar because I actually think he's a good actor from his live action roles I've seen and he does an okay Bruce Wayne/ Batman ANIMATED ONLY.
There's no way he could be a live action Batman unfortunately because of, I guess I should say it, his ethnicity.

Need to add that I wish for the best actor for Batman... whoever it will be.

It was just a discussion of Bruce / Batman being played by a different actor. The ethnicity of the actor would only be important if for example it was an Elseworlds/ future version / or other world version that was intentionally made to be radically different from the Bruce Wayne Batman that general audiences know.

 

[Kevin Smith]

No, it's definitely got a racist feel to it. You may not mean it to, but I'm definitely getting a vibe of desperation to keep things white. It's...it's really not a flattering way to come across.

Someone's a little afraid of change. I hope they cast a really, really pretty man to be Batman. And I hope Jenny replaces Jimmy Olsen. That would just make your head explode, wouldn't it?

More like irritation that there are actually some people who can't seem to grasp a concept as simple as this.

Don't race bait me, this isn't about being "afraid of change", it's about being true to the characters.

 

[John Lambert]

Mayflower passengers were primarily of British descent. Unless the "Hispanic people" you're referring to have partial British admixture, it's unlikely that their forebears were part of that voyage. European Spaniards (a racially distinct group from hispanics, who are actually an amalgamation of Europeans, indigenous South Americans, and West Africans) did play a pretty big role in the colonization of certain American colonies, however.

Hispanic is an ethnic term, not a racial one. Argentines are Hispanic, no one who has thought on this issue would argue that Pope Francis is not Hispanic, but he has no indigenous American ancestry.

However the Hispanic people I know who have Mayflower ancestors are my nephews. Their father is primarily of European ancestry, although he does have a small amount of Native American ancestry, and their mother has a complex ancestry, most notably Aztec, Spanish and French but also possibly some Chinese. Except, it gets more complex, since my grandmother had a Hispanic step-father.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Kevin Smith, I only mentioned the voice actor Anthony Ruivivar because I actually think he's a good actor from his live action roles I've seen and he does an okay Bruce Wayne/ Batman ANIMATED ONLY.
There's no way he could be a live action Batman unfortunately because of, I guess I should say it, his ethnicity.

Need to add that I wish for the best actor for Batman... whoever it will be.

It was just a discussion of Bruce / Batman being played by a different actor. The ethnicity of the actor would only be important if for example it was an Elseworlds/ future version / or other world version that was intentionally made to be radically different from the Bruce Wayne Batman that general audiences know.

Fair enough. But there are those here who hold to those sentiments (that he should be a different race), which is who my post is directed at.

 

[John Lambert]

More like irritation that there are actually some people who can't seem to grasp a concept as simple as this.

Don't race bait me, this isn't about being "afraid of change", it's about being true to the characters.

You can be true to the characters and deal with the reality that in 21st-century America there are more and more people with complex and mixed racial backgrounds.

That is why I loved Lois and Clark. They cast an African-American actor in the role of a general with a name of eastern European origins that is usually thought to be Jewish. Of course that was just after we had as the chief of the joint chiefs of staff Colin Powell, an African-American who has some Jewish ancestry.

 

[Kevin Smith]

You can be true to the characters and deal with the reality that in 21st-century America there are more and more people with complex and mixed racial backgrounds.

True, which is why we can present them as they are in the source material but in a modern day climate (re: 1930s < present day).

That is why I loved Lois and Clark. They cast an African-American actor in the role of a general with a name of eastern European origins that is usually thought to be Jewish. Of course that was just after we had as the chief of the joint chiefs of staff Colin Powell, an African-American who has some Jewish ancestry.

Dude, no one reads into L&C as much as you do. To most of us it just seems like a low budget Superman tv show in the 90s that was a bit too tongue and cheek some days for most Superman fans. You make it sound like it's the Power Rangers or something.

 

[John Lambert]

^^ Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about if they cast actors who don't physically look anything like their character at all. (Well, sans the sex change, they'd have to be male if they are playing a male and vice versa, but hey, that argument could be next )

EDIT: THIS GOES THE SAME FOR LEX LUTHOR AS WELL. LUTHOR IS NOT BLACK. HE'S WHITE. IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DON'T "FIX" IT.

Considering that you can not even clearly define the race of Kristin Kruek, your attempt to make race and sex equivalent characteristics is very unwise.

Changing the race of a character is not "fixing" something. It is accepting the reality of the world we live in, a reality with lots of people with complex racial backgrounds, and a world where we are no longer content with lilly-white casting. Modern Superhero films need to change the composition of the cast, and this can't just be with minor, periphery characters.

 

[John Lambert]

If James Earl Jones sounded like Samuel L. Jackson, he wouldn't have provided the voice of Darth Vader. As goes for any voice actor portraying a character that is different from their real life ethnicity, if they sounded specifically different from what you'd imagine to come out of said character's mouth, they wouldn't be playing them. Simple.

I think you should quite before even more people realize how racist you are. James Earl Jones does appear in live-action, and no one goes 'but he does not sound black", well except maybe you.

Actually, Jones had a role in Lois and Clark, he was the owner of the Planet. Sadly, they only got him for one episode.

 

[John Lambert]

Kevin Smith, I only mentioned the voice actor Anthony Ruivivar because I actually think he's a good actor from his live action roles I've seen and he does an okay Bruce Wayne/ Batman ANIMATED ONLY.
There's no way he could be a live action Batman unfortunately because of, I guess I should say it, his ethnicity.

Need to add that I wish for the best actor for Batman... whoever it will be.

It was just a discussion of Bruce / Batman being played by a different actor. The ethnicity of the actor would only be important if for example it was an Elseworlds/ future version / or other world version that was intentionally made to be radically different from the Bruce Wayne Batman that general audiences know.

But his ethnicity includes Scottish and German ancestry. This matches up with the generalized idea of Bruce Wayne. I think casting him is a good idea.

I am glad that people who have made casting decisions have not held as closely to rigid ideas about race as some people here seem to. It would make things much more difficult for the careers of mixed race people.

On anther note, I have to say that I just loved L&C's situation romantic comedy take on Superman, and I am clearly not the only person who did.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Considering that you can not even clearly define the race of Kristin Kruek, your attempt to make race and sex equivalent characteristics is very unwise.

The last bit was sarcasm (hence the " "), and Kristin Kruek isn't obviously asian to anyone - she could probably play asian, but it's not like her "outstanding characteristic or attribute".

Changing the race of a character is not "fixing" something. It is accepting the reality of the world we live in, a reality with lots of people with complex racial backgrounds, and a world where we are no longer content with lilly-white casting. Modern Superhero films need to change the composition of the cast, and this can't just be with minor, periphery characters.

They "revamp" a character as a different race and "fix" multiple things, not just the skin color, there are usually story elements that go with it to differentiate it from the previous ill-fated version.

Batman, Superman, etc, are not one of those characters. They should not change the composition of anyone to bend to some political whim, which is all this sounds like.

Put more ethnic characters on the screen, create more ethnic characters, revamp struggling characters as different ethnicities with new or different stories if you like and then put them on the screen, but do not change the race of established characters.

**** blond haired Superman too.

 

[Supernewbie]

But his ethnicity includes Scottish and German ancestry. This matches up with the generalized idea of Bruce Wayne. I think casting him is a good idea.

I am glad that people who have made casting decisions have not held as closely to rigid ideas about race as some people here seem to. It would make things much more difficult for the careers of mixed race people.

On anther note, I have to say that I just loved L&C's situation romantic comedy take on Superman, and I am clearly not the only person who did.

John Lambert I understand what you mean. And yeah, Anthony Ruivivar is a good actor, he can bring the drama and intensity. I'm glad that he got the animated role. He can definitely be good in any role.. Batman too, or even Joker!

 

[Kevin Smith]

I think you should quite before even more people realize how racist you are. James Earl Jones does appear in live-action, and no one goes 'but he does not sound black", well except maybe you.

Actually, Jones had a role in Lois and Clark, he was the owner of the Planet. Sadly, they only got him for one episode.

He does not appear in live action as Darth Vader, which is what I was talking about. Of course he has live action appearances in films and tv, I know that. He doesn't sound specifically black as blacks in media are typically portrayed at least, Lucas originally wanted Orson Welles to be the voice or a voice like his, but felt he would be too recognizable, so he cast James Earl Jones.

Maybe you should read what I say before you get all excited because you think you've found someone to call racist.

 

[Kevin Smith]

On anther note, I have to say that I just loved L&C's situation romantic comedy take on Superman, and I am clearly not the only person who did.

Most Superman fans would disagree.

That's what Friends was for.

 

[Tempest]

More like irritation that there are actually some people who can't seem to grasp a concept as simple as this.

Don't race bait me, this isn't about being "afraid of change", it's about being true to the characters.

That ship sailed with the casting of Perry White.

No one has demanded that they change Batman. The question was simply posed that if they found a decent ethnic actor, could they use him for Batman.

The only people here demanding anything are the ones who are flipping out at the mere suggestion of a non-white Batman.

 

[georgec]

Welcome to five days ago.

Actually, maluka joined on July 13. It's been 30 days.

 

[Kevin Smith]

But his ethnicity includes Scottish and German ancestry. This matches up with the generalized idea of Bruce Wayne. I think casting him is a good idea.

I am glad that people who have made casting decisions have not held as closely to rigid ideas about race as some people here seem to. It would make things much more difficult for the careers of mixed race people.

If they were going to play Superman or Batman, yeah, I suppose it would be difficult. It would also be difficult to play Superman or Batman if you were Peter Dinklage or a woman

It's about blatant racism.

No it's not, dude. He doesn't look white enough to play a white character. Simple as that. He sounds white (or can sound "white"), which is why he voices a white character.

 

[Supernewbie]

With this discussion of ethnicity and race, I'm almost afraid to post my next suggestion but maybe now is a good time, to add fuel to the fire.

I've always thought that this guy's voice is perfect for Batman. He should at least be cast as an animated one! He's older now but looks young for his age. He hasn't had a break out feature film role yet. He's the star of Prison Break, now finished so he's available. Recently he was in one of the Resident Evil movies. He's suited for action, detective work, and can play a brooding billionaire.

Wentworth Miller (41 years old, 6'1)

 

[Kevin Smith]

That ship sailed with the casting of Perry White.

**** Perry White. Nobody cares about him, he's not a MAJOR character like Superman, Batman (or Johnny Storm ), he's barely Alfred level. Perry White does not = Superman or Batman. How many Perry White action figures are kids buying? I rest my ****ing case.

No one has demanded that they change Batman. The question was simply posed that if they found a decent ethnic actor, could they use him for Batman.

Which is to say that they are okay with changing Batman to the point of even suggesting it.

The only people here demanding anything are the ones who are flipping out at the mere suggestion of a non-white Batman.

Yeah, changing Batman's race. It's a stupid idea, a very stupid PC one.

 

[Project862006]

i think miller is a horrible actor i think taylor kitsch has more charisma

 

[Supernewbie]

i think miller is a horrible actor i think taylor kitsch has more charisma

Well, yeah Miller is more of the brooding type, the show was Prison Break after all. But maybe if he wasn't playing a trapped character, then he could pull off a decent Bruce/Batman. I really think his voice is perfect for the role.

And he's the voice actor of Deathstroke on Young Justice.

 

[Kevin Smith]

i think miller is a horrible actor i think taylor kitsch has more charisma

Yeah, I agree.

Wentworth Miller would be a better Vision or Red Tornado.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Miller isn't terrible but he's so blah. I know that's not a word but that's the best way I can describe him. He's okay and I wouldn't mind him in a small side role but not as Batman or Lex Luthor.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Miller can write the screenplay.

 

[Wheels]

Miller can write the screenplay.

Your avatar is hilarious.