Batman: City of Scars

I just watched this on YouTube and I must say it's pretty damn good. I don't even want to call this a fan made film because it's anything but amateur. Without of a doubt it blows Dead End away. And it's not like it's the usual 5 minute videos. It takes place in our world yet it's as [visually] dark as the Burtonverse. This is pretty much how I want the live action Batfilms to be like. It's 30 minutes but you bet your ass it's worth the time.

 
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Aaron has shot another short he's calling SEEDS OF ARKHAM - apparantly due October 18, the same day as Arkham City. That is not planned as the final venture into the Bat-World!!!


I love that we have the Burton universe and the Nolanverse, but now we have this third, independent vision which is slightly closer to the modern comics :yay: Acually better as it doesn't have this Batman Inc/RIP nonsense :huh:
 
I loved it the first time, now that I finally watched it again it does feel as cheesy as someone pointed
 
Ivy's symobilc sex with the thorns was interesting. I approve! The opening Batmobile scene and takedown of the goons was nice. As was the Croc fight. The ending was very similiar to Bane's fight in Arkham Asylum, but that's cool.
 
I loved it the first time, now that I finally watched it again it does feel as cheesy as someone pointed
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Ok, I'll sound like a know-it-all jerk, but here goes...

(this is in response to Seeds of Arkham btw)

Looks like they spent a whole lot of time and money on the costumes and especially the car, but the film itself is lacking a whole lot. The story is generic and slow paced and the acting is laughable at times. The bad cinematography cheapens it a lot as well, I don't know the resources they had, but if you want something like this to look good, hire a good cinematographer that knows how to create realistic lighting, and for even a better result, shoot it on film, digital just makes it look so....digital. I'm an editor myself, so I always complain that films should be edited down, and this is no exception, you could easily cut 2-3 minutes out of this film and tell a more dynamic and fast paced story, this one bored me after the first two. Oh, and don't act in the movie you're directing, you'll lose oversight.

Feel free to bash me all you want.
 
Ok, I'll sound like a know-it-all jerk, but here goes...

(this is in response to Seeds of Arkham btw)

Looks like they spent a whole lot of time and money on the costumes and especially the car, but the film itself is lacking a whole lot. The story is generic and slow paced and the acting is laughable at times. The bad cinematography cheapens it a lot as well, I don't know the resources they had, but if you want something like this to look good, hire a good cinematographer that knows how to create realistic lighting, and for even a better result, shoot it on film, digital just makes it look so....digital. I'm an editor myself, so I always complain that films should be edited down, and this is no exception, you could easily cut 2-3 minutes out of this film and tell a more dynamic and fast paced story, this one bored me after the first two. Oh, and don't act in the movie you're directing, you'll lose oversight.

Feel free to bash me all you want.

Despite the "shoot on film instead of digital" which I think isn't true (the main reason being that it saves thousands of bucks to shoot on digital compared to film so it's the option to go with whenever you're on a tight budget like these guys probably are, another reason being that you can get beautiful cinematography with digital equipment, provided that you know how to use it), I agree with you, especially on the last point.

The only thing you'll get from acting in your own film will be that the film will look like an ego trip and that you will indeed lose all oversight from an artistic perspective.
 
well these guys disagree you... grabbed some quotes from their youtube channel

..here's what Bob Hall, first camera man of Dark Knight and Inception, had to say "In the latest work that I have seen from Aaron Schoenke he shows mature filmmaking techniques and a knack for action movie direction."

...here's what Kevin Smith had to say about Bat in the Sun's films "This is some good ****!"

...here's what Tom Desanto, producer of the Transformer movies and the first two X-Men movies had to say "Aaron Schoenke has reached into the head of every fanboy and made those dreams a reality."

"Watch this film" - LA Times

"Masterpiece" - G4TV


I personally think the film is fantastic and looks better than most things on regular TV.
 
well these guys disagree you... grabbed some quotes from their youtube channel

..here's what Bob Hall, first camera man of Dark Knight and Inception, had to say "In the latest work that I have seen from Aaron Schoenke he shows mature filmmaking techniques and a knack for action movie direction."

...here's what Kevin Smith had to say about Bat in the Sun's films "This is some good ****!"

...here's what Tom Desanto, producer of the Transformer movies and the first two X-Men movies had to say "Aaron Schoenke has reached into the head of every fanboy and made those dreams a reality."

"Watch this film" - LA Times

"Masterpiece" - G4TV


I personally think the film is fantastic and looks better than most things on regular TV.

Heh, that has nothing to do with what's been said. This movie has flaws, notably concerning the acting, and maybe they could have been avoided had the director been behind the camera. His filmmaker's skills are not at stake here. It's probably a small budget film anyway, so no one's going to seriously complain about the camera work or the quality of the sound and lighting.

You know, first of all, so that we're all clear on that, my opinion is worth that of anybody else, whether they've produced X-Men or never seen a movie in their lives. So posting a couple of praises from people from the business does not make the movie good to me.

Secondly, the point of our messages was : "it's bloody hard, nigh impossible, to act in your film and make it as good as it could be."

Four reasons for that :
- As far as the acting is concerned, you may not be as good as you like to think you are.
- As far as the directing is concerned, being in front of the camera means not seeing what goes on behind it. You have to concentrate on the acting, and have to trust your crew, and especially your DP, to achieve what you want them to achieve without you. All you can do is review what's already been shot (even if it's on the spot- and ask for "more of this, less of that". If you're behind the camera, you check everything in real time and are able to call "Action" only when everything seems top notch to you. Gain of time, gain of money.
- Three, when it goes into post-production, especially in the editing suite, seeing yourself on the screen will sometimes prevent you to see the flaws of the takes you're selecting. Having such a level of implication, it's extremely hard to retain the objectiveness that's necessary to edit a film properly.
- Four, when the credits will roll and people will see your name in the cast and the crew, some will call you an egomaniac and will see more flaws than there really are in your film when they'll watch it again. I'm only talking about a minority of people here sure. But you've got to be prepared for it.


Now these points apply to anyone in general, and I don't know Aaron Schoenke personally, so he may very well be good at it.

I still think this movie has flaws as far as the pacing's concerned -editing : see, I'm enclined to think that's because the director lacked proper objectiveness to make it good-

Lastly, let's be serious. The acting is probably the most important thing in a film. Why? Your film can have beautiful cinematography, perfect editing, perfect sound, color-grading whatever... If the acting is overdone, or bad in general, the result won't be believable, and worse, could be laughable.

That actress playing Poison Ivy? She wasn't good at all. Didn't make me believe in the character for a second. That kind of detail will ruin the film and make it look amateur no matter what technology, budget, or crew you have working with/for you.
 
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Firstly, I'm not Aaron, just a fan of his work, like many.


Secondly, that's your opinion, I disagree with it, but your free to voice it, I was merely showing that most people disagree with your opinion, and instead love the film.

I honestly think the acting is good and is equally to a lot of tv shows, I say that because a lot of those actors are actually on tv shows, Aaron included.

And for those who can't form their own opinion, I'm sure they'd choose Kevin Smith or Tom Desanto over your editing credentials. ;-)
 

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