BvS Batman Physique Thread

[LordofhouseEl]

^his legs look pretty big there. Not sure if its the suit, but any talk of Cavill having chicken legs is surely dispelled by that pic.

Its the suit.

 

[slumcat]

His huge barrel chest reminds me a lot of The Dark Knight Returns...which both Snyder and Affleck are huge fans of. Could be using trying to attain that type of body, while Cavill goes for the more "Greek god/aesthetically pleasing" shape.

That's a good idea but ALL the actors today go after aesthetics though they achieve it to very different degrees. Affleck will go for aesthetics too. His trainer is a bodybuilder so is pretty big on aesthetics and his trainer basically makes a living out getting people six packs. Besides even Snyder is huge on aesthetics so you won't see the Dark Knight Returns form here.

 

[slumcat]

I'd say the suit is essentially a molded representation or ideal of cavill's form but not actually his true form peaking through if that makes sense?

You can see the suit pretty much keeps its form even without cavill in it.

You can possibly argue Cavil worked out to match his body to the suit instead of vice-versa even? The Michael shannon suit is a good example, whereby he looks quite jacked in it but it's obviously not his true physique under there.

While Cavill did get jacked it was so that in his shirtless scenes he would match up to what we saw him like in the suit.

Lol the suit wouldn't keep its shape without a human being inside it, it is on a mannequin, see the wrists, the mannequin is giving the suit the shape just like a human body would. I think that mannequin is a a mold of Cavill to make the suit look just like when Cavill is wearing it.

Here's the thing, the suit is absolute skintight in the sense, it fits the wearer very very snugly, you can see that by seeing that Cavill's physique in and out of the suit looks pretty much the same. It is also how these suits are made. Not for Superman but I read for some other movie where the actors were wearing body fit suits, they basically stood in some water basin or something and an actual cast of their body was taken and the suit was built to match it perfectly.

The Kryptonian suits are built to exactly match the physiognomy of the wearer, so the suits were custom made for Cavill and Shannon and Crowe and they all look different. Crowe looks ever so slightly flabby in the suit, Shannon looks buff but not as buff as Cavill who likes a beast in the suit.

So while in the suit, the look is pretty much how he would look without the suit on, a very close approximation of it and painstakingly made my taking a cast of the actor's body.

 

[Cobblepot]

Cavill has an impressive build especially his delts. But I'm certain they enhanced what he already had, and he sure had some delt filling in that suit. Not much but some. You can clearly spot it during the movie.

The suit displays a biceps vain and cuts in his delts on that mannequin. They are obviously not from the mannequin, but enhanced features of Cavills fysique.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Cavill has an impressive build especially his delts. But I'm certain they enhanced what he already had, and he sure had some delt filling in that suit. Not much but some. You can clearly spot it during the movie.

The suit displays a biceps vain and cuts in his delts on that mannequin. They are obviously not from the mannequin, but enhanced features of Cavills fysique.

Yep this all the way, also the suit adds a few inches to Cavills biceps, his biceps where decent but not that big.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Lol the suit wouldn't keep its shape without a human being inside it, it is on a mannequin, see the wrists, the mannequin is giving the suit the shape just like a human body would. I think that mannequin is a a mold of Cavill to make the suit look just like when Cavill is wearing it.

Here's the thing, the suit is absolute skintight in the sense, it fits the wearer very very snugly, you can see that by seeing that Cavill's physique in and out of the suit looks pretty much the same. It is also how these suits are made. Not for Superman but I read for some other movie where the actors were wearing body fit suits, they basically stood in some water basin or something and an actual cast of their body was taken and the suit was built to match it perfectly.

The Kryptonian suits are built to exactly match the physiognomy of the wearer, so the suits were custom made for Cavill and Shannon and Crowe and they all look different. Crowe looks ever so slightly flabby in the suit, Shannon looks buff but not as buff as Cavill who likes a beast in the suit.

So while in the suit, the look is pretty much how he would look without the suit on, a very close approximation of it and painstakingly made my taking a cast of the actor's body.

Spoiler

Here's the thing the suit is skin tight but it's not a particularly thin material if anything it looks quite thick. Simply placing that material over cavill's worked out body would likely just give him the appearance of being blocky or lumpy as it wouldn't accentuate his definition but would actually do the opposite.

My point was the suit was "pre-cut" to accentuate definition but it wasn't cavill's true definition peaking through that thick material but a pre-designed one. The same deal with shannon's suit:

Cavill got in great shape but I wouldn't necessarily use his in costume body as a true example of his shape, for the reasons I described. That suit process could arguably make an average shaped individual look quite defined.

I also don't agree with the fact the suit was a 1:1 mold of cavill's body, as I've mentioned before the abs are way off his natural abs and there a few elements they added to make his body pop a bit more. If anything his head looks smaller compared to his body in the suit.

 

[Lantern Venom]

His huge barrel chest reminds me a lot of The Dark Knight Returns...which both Snyder and Affleck are huge fans of. Could be using trying to attain that type of body, while Cavill goes for the more "Greek god/aesthetically pleasing" shape.

He's off to a solid start there. The arms could use more bulk and shape, but the costume can fix problems in that aspect. The only red flag I see right now is the thin lower body. Some of that might be the black jeans, but he certainly needs to get to work on the jr. high quads he's sporting.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Here's the thing the suit is skin tight but it's not a particularly thin material if anything it looks quite thick. Simply placing that material over cavill's worked out body would likely just give him the appearance of being blocky or lumpy as it wouldn't accentuate his definition but would actually do the opposite.

My point was the suit was "pre-cut" to accentuate definition but it wasn't cavill's true definition peaking through that thick material but a pre-designed one. The same deal with shannon's suit:

Cavill got in great shape but I wouldn't necessarily use his in costume body as a true example of his shape, for the reasons I described. That suit process could arguably make an average shaped individual look quite defined.

I also don't agree with the fact the suit was a 1:1 mold of cavill's body, as I've mentioned before the abs are way off his natural abs and there a few elements they added to make his body pop a bit more. If anything his head looks smaller compared to his body in the suit.

Mystery solved!

According to James Acheson and Michael Wilkinson, the costume designers behind MoS, Cavill's suit was actually based on a digital scan of the actor's body. That would explain why the abdominal muscles look a bit off; especially in contrast to other body parts, such as the arms and chest, which appear almost identical to Cavill's own chest and upper limbs, as exemplified by the image below.

However, I think it's unlikely that Michael Shannon's costume was based off a digital scan. Unlike his British co-star, Shannon had neither (muscle) mass nor definition when he wasn't wearing the costume.

Anyhow, here are two excerpts from the write-up I recently came across with Acheson and Wilkinson, specifically the references to digital scanning.

"With the origin of the suit established, it was left to the designers to incorporate what the world knows as the 'Superman suit' into the backstory they had devised. Initial conceptualizing began with Acheson and his team of illustrators drawing dozens of versions of the suit, with the red shorts getting smaller and smaller until one day they were just no longer there. The process was completed with Wilkinson’s brilliant designs illustrated by Keith Christensen and Warren Manser. After several months of development and numerous prototypes, they felt they had found a suit that took the essential elements and modernized them, taking advantage of all that today’s technology has to offer: 3D digital body scans, computer design, and the latest in fabrics."

"Taking the suit, and those of the other Kryptonians, from design to reality was a bit more complicated. For example, based on the body scans they took of Cavill, Wilkinson’s team made a full-size replica and added body sculpting, giving them the makings of the under-suit. This was comprised of foam latex with a brilliant chrome finish applied to the stretchy bodysuit. The complex over-suit was then made from a special mesh material, to which was applied a custom print technique to simulate a chain mail design which, when worn over the under suit, effected a metallic look that photographed beautifully. The computer-generated 'S' glyph was produced via a 3D drawing program and 3D printer."

Source: http://emanuellevy.com/comment/man-of-steel-costume-design/

In addition, for those who don't know, this is what a 3D digital body scan looks like.

 

[Cobblepot]

'And added body sculpting' also his biceps is atleast an inch thicker in that suit picture then his shirtless picture. His delts look somewhat different aswell. And don't forget that the shirtless scenes were filmed as one of the last scenes (i'd bet on that), and with a good pump from a workout.

 

[titansupes]

'And added body sculpting' also his biceps is atleast an inch thicker in that suit picture then his shirtless picture. His delts look somewhat different aswell. And don't forget that the shirtless scenes were filmed as one of the last scenes (i'd bet on that), and with a good pump from a workout.

You'd lose money then. We saw them filming those scenes. It was about a quarter, maybe a third of the way into production.

 

[hafizbat]

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/10/2...mans-cowl-reportedly-inspired-by-lee-bermejo/

This article states that Superman's suit will be tweaked as well.

What tweaks would you all like to see? I'd like a brighter blue to go with the brilliant red color of the cape.

 

[Rorschach2012]

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/10/2...mans-cowl-reportedly-inspired-by-lee-bermejo/

This article states that Superman's suit will be tweaked as well.

What tweaks would you all like to see? I'd like a brighter blue to go with the brilliant red color of the cape.

I'd like those changes too. but if they're going for a more substantial change, turn the yellow in the \s/ to black, and turn the silver on either side of his hips and on his wrists to black too. A user named JKKS posted a design like this and it looks really awesome. I wouldn't expect Supes to keep the black look forever, he could go back to his red blue and yellow digs for JL, but I think it could work for one movie.

 

[slumcat]

And don't forget that the shirtless scenes were filmed as one of the last scenes (i'd bet on that), and with a good pump from a workout.

You'd lose money then. We saw them filming those scenes. It was about a quarter, maybe a third of the way into production.

Filming began in late July. The shirtless scenes were shot in October. Filming finished in January.

And he actually 'leaned' for the shirtless scenes rather than 'bulked up' up because he wanted to get the body fat down to get defined for the shirtless scenes. Cavill said that when he wanted to be big, he was at 5000 calories, 3500 for the suit scenes and 1500 for the shirtless scenes. So actually he would be at his smallest for the shirtless scenes but the most shredded. And after the shirtless scenes were over, he would get bigger as he upped his diet.

So honestly his size even in the suit would vary throughout the suit and he does look bigger in some suit shots rather than other. Obviously he also looks bigger when closer to the camera and when the camera is below eye level than otherwise.

 

[slumcat]

About all this discussion that Cavill's physique was enhanced through the costume - we are talking mere centimeters guys.

One thing has to be acknowledged is that Cavill worked hard and delivered a truly great physique, worthy of Superman and finally a first of this sort in live action.

There are practicalities involved in making the suit. The material that they are going for is not spandex which is very thin, they are going for a kinda thick texture so the cloth itself is bound to be slightly thicker. Not because Cavill needs enhancement, but because of the nature of the fabric.

So they are not fabricating Cavill's physique in any way in the suit. It is meant to represent the best his body looked which is fair because it is still a cast of his body and not like some fake physique which he is not capable of or which he did not achieve.

Snyder said he put the shirtless scenes in the movie precisely for that reason, to actually show the audience that Cavill's physique was actually real and he wasn't faking it in the suit.

So given the immense difficulties involved in making a practicable wearable suit that can showcase Superman's famed musculature, I think they did good.

I don't think Cavill was small or whatever. I think he got the best possible results and is probably going to top even that for Batman Vs Superman.

 

[hafizbat]

About all this discussion that Cavill's physique was enhanced through the costume - we are talking mere centimeters guys.

One thing has to be acknowledged is that Cavill worked hard and delivered a truly great physique, worthy of Superman and finally a first of this sort in live action.

There are practicalities involved in making the suit. The material that they are going for is not spandex which is very thin, they are going for a kinda thick texture so the cloth itself is bound to be slightly thicker. Not because Cavill needs enhancement, but because of the nature of the fabric.

So they are not fabricating Cavill's physique in any way in the suit. It is meant to represent the best his body looked which is fair because it is still a cast of his body and not like some fake physique which he is not capable of or which he did not achieve.

Snyder said he put the shirtless scenes in the movie precisely for that reason, to actually show the audience that Cavill's physique was actually real and he wasn't faking it in the suit.

So given the immense difficulties involved in making a practicable wearable suit that can showcase Superman's famed musculature, I think they did good.

I don't think Cavill was small or whatever. I think he got the best possible results and is probably going to top even that for Batman Vs Superman.

Well said

 

[Bruce Malone]

About all this discussion that Cavill's physique was enhanced through the costume - we are talking mere centimeters guys.

One thing has to be acknowledged is that Cavill worked hard and delivered a truly great physique, worthy of Superman and finally a first of this sort in live action.

There are practicalities involved in making the suit. The material that they are going for is not spandex which is very thin, they are going for a kinda thick texture so the cloth itself is bound to be slightly thicker. Not because Cavill needs enhancement, but because of the nature of the fabric.

So they are not fabricating Cavill's physique in any way in the suit. It is meant to represent the best his body looked which is fair because it is still a cast of his body and not like some fake physique which he is not capable of or which he did not achieve.

Snyder said he put the shirtless scenes in the movie precisely for that reason, to actually show the audience that Cavill's physique was actually real and he wasn't faking it in the suit.

So given the immense difficulties involved in making a practicable wearable suit that can showcase Superman's famed musculature, I think they did good.

I don't think Cavill was small or whatever. I think he got the best possible results and is probably going to top even that for Batman Vs Superman.

No one is saying cavill was small that's for sure not the case but it would be incorrect to deny that the suit added to his naturally impressive physique in a few ways, just on first glance they improved on his forearms which aren't a strong point for cavill, at least in proportion tot he rest of his arms.

I was a big fan of the suit and the method they used. Although I hope one of the rumored tweaks is to better work on the suits abdominal mold.

 

[Cobblepot]

Well said Malone. Cavill certainly looked great, but the suit gave him even more bulk. Adding a cm is lot. You'd have to wrkout for months for an extra cm around arms and delts. I just hope Ben can match it.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

Cavill really worked hard on the super physics hats off for showing us a real life perfect muscular superman .

 

[Krumm]

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/10/2...mans-cowl-reportedly-inspired-by-lee-bermejo/

This article states that Superman's suit will be tweaked as well.

What tweaks would you all like to see? I'd like a brighter blue to go with the brilliant red color of the cape.

It's by way of CBM so

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It's by way of CBM so

CBM is for Comic Book Movie
CBN is Cosmic Book News

This looks like a fairly new site; it's just CB (ComicBook.com).

Edit: Having taken a second look, I see the original source is, in fact, CBM. My mistake. Still, they're not as bad as Cosmic.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Something I have been pondering over is why didn't Cavill just simply stay in MOS shape or maintain a some what healthy looking physique after filming. Just makes the task of preparing for a sequel all the more easier. Considering he hasn't been in any movies since finishing shooting MOS and only just shot U.N.C.L.E which his suited in so his physique could be hidden.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Needs red trunks

 

[Krumm]

CBM is for Comic Book Movie
CBN is Cosmic Book News

This looks like a fairly new site; it's just CB (ComicBook.com).

Edit: Having taken a second look, I see the original source is, in fact, CBM. My mistake. Still, they're not as bad as Cosmic.

I don't make too much of a distinction between the two especially since CBM is block by these boards. Call me a homer, but I really only trust SHH.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Something I have been pondering over is why didn't Cavill just simply stay in MOS shape

Do you even know how difficult that would be? It's a 24/7 thing. He doesn't have time for that, working on another film which doesn't require him to be in that kind of shape.

or maintain a some what healthy looking physique after filming.

He has.

Just makes the task of preparing for a sequel all the more easier. Considering he hasn't been in any movies since finishing shooting MOS and only just shot U.N.C.L.E which his suited in so his physique could be hidden.

He has stayed in fantastic shape. It will not be difficult at all for him to get back into MOS shape.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Do you even know how difficult that would be? It's a 24/7 thing. He doesn't have time for that, working on another film which doesn't require him to be in that kind of shape.



He has.



He has stayed in fantastic shape. It will not be difficult at all for him to get back into MOS shape.

Of course I realise how hard it is hence I stated an alternative, also Cavill himself during the MOS promotions said he didn't stay in shape after filming.