'Batman v Superman' Fallout: Warner Bros. Shakes Up Executive Roles

[RoryTate]

Dark and gritty isn't the problem, as TDK and other movies have proven. Morbid and joyless is the real issue, as Snyder has shown us.

 

[Marvel Knight]

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Hahaahah!


Oh boy.

 

[mclay18]

But I thought everything was fine?

I don't like Johns, don't have any idea who the other guy is.

Berg is a "conduit", so to speak, for Ben Affleck. He worked with him on Argo and Live By Night. He was also production executive for BvS, SS, WW and JL prior to the executive shakeup.

I think Johns and Berg seem like the right guys to run the DC Films division.

 

[Rowsdower!]

So basically, Berg was brought in to keep Affleck happy. Sounds about right. WB has had its collective lips sewn to his keister from day one.

 

[The Joker]

Dark and gritty isn't the problem, as TDK and other movies have proven. Morbid and joyless is the real issue, as Snyder has shown us.

Exactly.

 

[EssayM]

So basically, Berg was brought in to keep Affleck happy. Sounds about right. WB has had its collective lips sewn to his keister from day one.

Given that he's a name actor, a critically-acclaimed director, and one of the few things people liked about BvS, I can't say I blame them.

 

[Dasher10]

Glad to see that Snyder and Roven are no longer calling the shots. I hope that Batman and Superman get a LOT more likable in Justice League as a result and I can actually root for them again.

Anyone else expecting Kingberg to be moved from screenwriter to producer at Fox as a result of the negative reception to Fantastic Four and X-Men: Apocalypse?

 

[IronManHype]

Given that he's a name actor, a critically-acclaimed director, and one of the few things people liked about BvS, I can't say I blame them.

Pretty much this. I am almost (not really) okay getting the disappointment that was BvS if that was the price to pay to get a Affleck directed Batman movie.

 

[Lencho01]

'Batman v. Superman' Fallout: Producer Charles Roven to Shift Role on DC Movies (Exclusive)

 

[SM_experiment]

Am I the only one who feels that Batman v Superman was one of the most childish movies ever?

I hope they do crisis on infinite earth where the actual Superman shows up and beat the living crap out of movieSuperman and tells him to grow the **** up.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

They did stop fighting because their mommies had the same name. Became besties instantly too. Pretty child like.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Batman: I bet my mom can beat up your mom!

Superman: Oh yeah? Well your mom is dead, so good luck with that!

 

[FunkMiller]

They did stop fighting because their mommies had the same name.

Jesus. The stupidity of that plot device really doesn't get any less offensive, does it?

 

[SM_experiment]

I mean its not just them stopping the fight because their moms happen to share the same name. Its like the entire movie was written by two newly made comic books fans at the age of like 11.
I mean Superman goes around the entire movie shirking his responsibilities and moping that he is an alien. I mean again this is a Superman movie where he saves very few people and when he does, they **** it up by having him apparently like being treated like a god and hovering over people devastated by floods, failing once again to show Superman with empathy and compassion. (when he is not stalking Lois Lane)
Batman kills people left and right because "realism" and "maturity".
I wanted Jeremy Irons Alfred (who was awesome) to slap his childish ****ing face.

Also piss jar.

p.s. since this is a thread about Geoff Johns ****ing up DC or saving DC. I will give me two cents. Geoff Johns seems for me to be more of a follower not a leader and what I mean by this is the fact that he has never really innovated anything, I mean he has written good stories but among the reason why those were good was heavy ground work by previous writers. I mean Rebirth is only happening because DC finally convinced WB that they will not make money just because. But that quality matters.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

In my opinion, the problem with the DC film universe is there is no clear vision of where they want to go or the evolution of it.
It seems they are different ways in which they want to go.

 

[spider-neil]

I actually like that it looks and feels different to Marvel. The problem is the execution.
BvS is a pretty poor movie but there were several things I genuinely liked quite a bit.
BvS could easily have been a solid movie with a better script and dropping elements like the 'Martha' nonsense and Doomsday the movie could even have been great.

Also, I take no pleasure whatever in DC's struggles. I've always been a Marvel guy but everyone suffers when DC suffers, not just DC. For some people the superhero boom and bust can't come soon enough and they point to DC's struggles as some kind of superhero fatigue.

 

[Batmannerism]

Jesus. The stupidity of that plot device really doesn't get any less offensive, does it?

Actually, a director who is a master storyteller could have woven that ridiculous device into the narrative with skill and grace and made us believe that Batman would hesitate to kill Superman, when the realisation dawned on him that Supes - while seemingly an invincible alien demigod- was really just a person and an orphan, like himself. In that moment, he would realise that he and Supes while very different also have some fundamental similarities - most importantly their essential humanity and their desire to make the world a better place.

Or, if you want to keep it simple, maybe he'd figure out that Superman was only fighting him under duress (n fact if Snyder was a decent storyteller he'd have subverted expectations and had Superman about to kill Batman, and had Batman mutter the word "Martha" because that might have actually worked).

Anyway, while it is rather silly as a plot device, a really masterful director could have made it work. That moment, on which the entire 3rd act turns, should have been something that resonated with everyone and made the audience collectively gasp.........but that didn't happen.

If you don't believe that this is possible, the interactions between Cap and Bucky in TWS are a bit corny, if you think about them, but the Russos pull them off with style - because they know how to tell a story. Hell, they manage to make the whole mother reference work when Tony finally snaps.

Sadly, none of that happened in B v S, and what could have been the defining beginning moment of the DCCU was rushed, forced and made no sense.

I weep for the lost opportunity.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Posters that say that "Martha" in BVS offended them... OFFENDED them? Sorry... I can't take an opinion seriously when people go from 0 to light speed over something like that online.

 

[spider-neil]

Posters that say that "Martha" in BVS offended them... OFFENDED them? Sorry... I can't take an opinion seriously when people go from 0 to light speed over something like that online.

'Offended' is a little strong. It was stupid though. Superman should have said 'Save my mother' and then Batman could have learned their mothers shared the same name. Superman saying 'Save Matha' was stupid. Who would say that?

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Actually, a director who is a master storyteller could have woven that ridiculous device into the narrative with skill and grace and made us believe that Batman would hesitate to kill Superman, when the realisation dawned on him that Supes - while seemingly an invincible alien demigod- was really just a person and an orphan, like himself. In that moment, he would realise that he and Supes while very different also have some fundamental similarities - most importantly their essential humanity and their desire to make the world a better place.

Or, if you want to keep it simple, maybe he'd figure out that Superman was only fighting him under duress (n fact if Snyder was a decent storyteller he'd have subverted expectations and had Superman about to kill Batman, and had Batman mutter the word "Martha" because that might have actually worked).

Anyway, while it is rather silly as a plot device, a really masterful director could have made it work. That moment, on which the entire 3rd act turns, should have been something that resonated with everyone and made the audience collectively gasp.........but that didn't happen.

If you don't believe that this is possible, the interactions between Cap and Bucky in TWS are a bit corny, if you think about them, but the Russos pull them off with style - because they know how to tell a story. Hell, they manage to make the whole mother reference work when Tony finally snaps.

Sadly, none of that happened in B v S, and what could have been the defining beginning moment of the DCCU was rushed, forced and made no sense.

I weep for the lost opportunity.

Agreed. What could have been is what I always think about BvS as a whole.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

Actually, a director who is a master storyteller could have woven that ridiculous device into the narrative with skill and grace and made us believe that Batman would hesitate to kill Superman, when the realisation dawned on him that Supes - while seemingly an invincible alien demigod- was really just a person and an orphan, like himself. In that moment, he would realise that he and Supes while very different also have some fundamental similarities - most importantly their essential humanity and their desire to make the world a better place.

Or, if you want to keep it simple, maybe he'd figure out that Superman was only fighting him under duress (n fact if Snyder was a decent storyteller he'd have subverted expectations and had Superman about to kill Batman, and had Batman mutter the word "Martha" because that might have actually worked).

Anyway, while it is rather silly as a plot device, a really masterful director could have made it work. That moment, on which the entire 3rd act turns, should have been something that resonated with everyone and made the audience collectively gasp.........but that didn't happen.

If you don't believe that this is possible, the interactions between Cap and Bucky in TWS are a bit corny, if you think about them, but the Russos pull them off with style - because they know how to tell a story. Hell, they manage to make the whole mother reference work when Tony finally snaps.

Sadly, none of that happened in B v S, and what could have been the defining beginning moment of the DCCU was rushed, forced and made no sense.

I weep for the lost opportunity.

I'm in the camp that enjoyed the movie for what it presented. I see and understand what everyone disliked but I still enjoyed it.

You are absolutely right about directors and writers, the right ones, can take something simple and make it monumental.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

I actually like that it looks and feels different to Marvel.

...and DC films never should, which will make it all the more mind-shatteringly awesome when the two film verses get to the point when they have a crossover film

 

[Peyton Westlake]

...and DC films never should, which will make it all the more mind-shatteringly awesome when the two film verses get to the point when they have a crossover film

Too many characters to weave into a story that would legitimately have them meeting is 1 problem why that won't happen.