Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[terry78]

Supes would throw Bats into the sun, and then mess up Wonder Woman because she didn't make his last sandwich the way he liked it.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Superman doesn't take no for an answer.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

@sto_vo_kor_2000

of course it won't be 100% fair. superman has way to many abilities. you take things to literal man. but superman needs to be able to use all his (usual) ability in a fight for it to be valid. same goes for batman. And what I meant when I said that he wouldn't have kryptonite w/ him when he fights the riddler is that it's not 1 of his usual gadgets. in some stories he has some in the batcave for emergansies but thats about it.

Again your stacking the odds in Supermans favor.You want Superman to be able to use what ever he has at his disposal but not allow Batman to do the same.

Batman does carry the Kryptonite every time he thinks he will encounter Superman.

Even if they are going out to lunch he carries it, that makes it a regular part of his arsenal.

look, at the end of the day..
batman=human<superhuman=superman

Irreverent.

tell me how batman can even hurt superman? (and that's w/o kryptonight or some stupid battle armor.)

Electricity,Magic,Supersonic sound Red solar radiation weapons and those are just the ones Batman can use on his own.

There's also the placeing of Supermans loved ones in danger.

And why cant he use the battle armor or the kryptonite?????

there's just no way batman can win w/o some pre-fight circumstances that either make batman stronger than he was b4, or that make superman weaker than he normally is.

That "pre-fight circumstances " as you call it is strategy and is one of Batmans greatest skills.

and thats what makes all the "batman wins" arguments unfair(er). you need to stop ignoring the obvious fact that batman doesn't stand a chance, and start using your common sense.

Common sence is where your lacking.

Your expecting the characters to act "out of character" in this fight.

You want Superman to be able to use all his powers and skills but your limiting Batman to only half of his for this fight.

Fact is Batman would have the Kryptonite

Fact is that even if he didnt he could have it brought to him in a few seconds and he is capable of hideing from Superman for a few minutes

Same goes for the robot suit.

Fact is Superman has other weakness that Batman can and has exploited before and would again.

Kryptonite really isn't as damaging on Superman as everyone in this thread is making it out to be. It doesn't actually weaken him, it makes him sick. If he punched Batman while Batman was carrying Kryptonite it would still knocked Batman to dust. Unless Batman has a means of turning the sun red, he's not going to bring Superman down to his level. Furthermore Batman has admitted when and if Superman wants to kill him; he could, and Batman couldn't do anything about it (except hide). Superman could heat snipe him from space, speed blitz him so fast he couldn't even get off an errant thought, of just freeze him in place by F***ING BREATHING.

Which is what I've said.

If Superman wanted to kill bats it would be over.

But my point is that its not in his character to take the fight to that level.

But the Kryptone does weaken him if he's exposed long enough to a good enough amount.

well then he has his led suit. so even by your conditions superman's weakness wouldn't effect him.

Pay attention....Superman has other weaknesses beside Kryptonite.

Not to mention that the led suit has been shown to be quite eazy to rip.

a (true) fan has got to know his favorite heroes limitations. you seems to believe that batman has no limitations.

No not at all I'm fully awear of his abilities and limitations.

As a matter of fact I believe that the writters have gone too far in saying that he can figure out a way to beat anyone.....but the point is that is how they have writter him for the las 20+ years.

I pitty the fool. I doubt batman could even beat spiderman, much less superman. but that's another argument for another day.

Beating him would be far eazer for Bats.Spidy is eazer to manipulate.

however I do think that your love for batman is blinding you to the truth. And I mean that. ironic, isn't it?

You dont understand me at all.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman would kill himself if he carried Krpytonite at all times, and I know for a fact he doesn't, because Superman's caught him without it once or twice.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Batman would kill himself if he carried Krpytonite at all times, and I know for a fact he doesn't, because Superman's caught him without it once or twice.

He carries it sheiled and those times you speak of he was not expecting to encounter Superman.

Like I said every time he expects to encounter Superman ,wether for a mission or Mc Donalds he carries Kryptonite.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The lead shielding only provides temporary protection. Luthor still gave himself cancer with lead shielded Krpytonite.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The lead shielding only provides temporary protection. Luthor still gave himself cancer with lead shielded Krpytonite.

Which could be the result of inatiquate lead sheilding.

They say Lex is the smartest man in the Dc u but he makes plenty of over confident mistakes.

Batman obvious has devised a safer way [better lead shielding] of storing the Kryptonite sine he's sitting on top of the largested amount accumulated in the cave.

Funny

 

[scatterax]

Which could be the result of inatiquate lead sheilding.

They say Lex is the smartest man in the Dc u but he makes plenty of over confident mistakes.

Batman obvious has devised a safer way [better lead shielding] of storing the Kryptonite sine he's sitting on top of the largested amount accumulated in the cave.



Funny

I think maybe you have an inadequate sense of reasoning. you stack the odds in batmans favor by giving him every possible advantage possible and ignoring all of supermans advantages.

batman can make mistakes too. he's not perfect.

ok, listen up son. no amount of training could prepare you for a fight against superman. batterangs sure wouldn't help much. neither would money. and if you were a genius level strategist, you'd know your best bet was to run away and find help. kryptonite would be unavailable to you, because even if you had the resources to find some you WOULDN'T know you had a fight coming up, so you wouldn't have time to find some b4 superman showed up. if you think that theres any level of intelligence, fighting ability, or (hand held) weapon that could give you the upper hand against superman, than you'd have just made ur own over confident (and deadly mistake). if you can't beat supes under those conditions neither can batman.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Honestly, if Superman really wanted to, he could kill pretty much anyone. The only thing is, he rarely, if ever, actually lets loose on an opponent.

I think his biggest asset that most people forget is his speed. I mean, Superman's already one of the most powerful guys out there when we're talking raw power. He's incredibly strong, he can freeze you with his breath, and he has freakin heat vision. All that right there makes him incredibly powerful already.

But when you add his speed to the mix, he's basically unbeatable. Because when he wants to, he's the fastest person alive, besides the flash. If Superman wanted to, he could crush everyone without anyone being able to lay a hand on him.

However, most writers don't bring his speed into account, because quite honestly, it makes him too powerful. Which is why they overlook it so much. If they wrote Superman using all his powers to his full extent he'd be unbeatable, and that's boring, so they don't.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I think maybe you have an inadequate sense of reasoning. you stack the odds in batmans favor by giving him every possible advantage possible and ignoring all of supermans advantages.

I havent given Batman any advantage that he hasnt proven himself capable of preforming time and time again.

And Superman has proven not to take every advantage that he powers provide him.

batman can make mistakes too. he's not perfect.

Never did I imply he was perfect.

But no one every brought up any mistake that ether may make.

Just known actions that the charters would take.Mistakes are a un-known variable that cant be accounted for.

Its like slipping on a banana peal........you cant factor in something like that.

What you do factor in is the known facts.

ok, listen up son.

Your calling me son?????How old are you??????

no amount of training could prepare you for a fight against superman.

Boy are you ignorant.

Training is the only way to win any fight with a Superior force.

and if you were a genius level strategist, you'd know your best bet was to run away and find help.

Again proving your ignorance.

Even finding help would be one of his plans....he's done it that way before.

kryptonite would be unavailable to you, because even if you had the resources to find some you WOULDN'T know you had a fight coming up, so you wouldn't have time to find some b4 superman showed up.

He doesnt need to find any because he owns the largest amount in the Dc universe.

He carries some almost at all times that he thinks he will meat up with Superman and I'm sure he has some already ridged by raido control to be delieverd to him with a touch of a botton in his belt.

The Kryptonite is always avaliable to him.

if you think that theres any level of intelligence, fighting ability, or (hand held) weapon that could give you the upper hand against superman, than you'd have just made ur own over confident (and deadly mistake). if you can't beat supes under those conditions neither can batman.

By your logic I should be able to play pro sports as well as any pro player.

Fact is a greater level of intelligence and fighting ability can help the right person to win in any contest with a superior force.

And the right weapons in the right hands would also make a difference.

Point in case I have to fist just like Mike tyson.....but his greater level of boxing knowlidgeand fighting ability would leave me no chance at all.

 

[terry78]

He's been powered up over the decades, that's where I think the problem somewhat lies. Siegel and Schuster created him to be a superpowered being, but he had limits. Other writers have tried to make him more complex by giving him godlike abilities, and showcasing how it takes its toll on him mentally and what not, which is good, yet also bad.

 

[scatterax]

sto_vo_kor_2000, ur not understanding anything I've said about how batman is human.

let's just put this whole debate to an end right here right now. Do you think that batman can beat superman w/o prep time and w/o de-powering him? I simple yes or no will do. (so don't beat around the bush.)

 

[Venomfan]

the question is practically "do you think you can beat Superman in a fight if you had enough money/training"

 

[scatterax]

the question is practically "do you think you can beat Superman in a fight if you had enough money/training"

that's exactly what I was trying to say in an earlier post.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

sto_vo_kor_2000, ur not understanding anything I've said about how batman is human.

I understood it....its just irrelivent to the debate.

let's just put this whole debate to an end right here right now. Do you think that batman can beat superman w/o prep time

Again irrelivent since the pre-time is pretty much already in.

As look as he's know about Superman he's been working on ways to defeat him.

and w/o de-powering him?

And again you want Superman do be able to do everything he does but not Batman.....you just want to fix the fight.

In any fight the first order of buissness would be for Batman to even the odds.

Thats in his character....you want both characters to behave out of character so you can win the debate....Sorry buddy but you fail.

I simple yes or no will do. (so don't beat around the bush.)

I never beat around the bush.

the question is practically "do you think you can beat Superman in a fight if you had enough money/training"

What????

Money and training is not all Batman has....its his strength of will and his unwillingness to ever give up.

 

[blksuperman2]

LOL, why is this still a debate? I thought it was already established years ago that Bats is the only hero Supes trusted the kryptonite ring to because he knew Bruce wouldn't hesitate to use it to put him down. If I had a ring made out of my deadlist weakness I'd give it to hmmm:

Capt Marvel - No
Green Lantern - No
Wonder Woman - No
Flash - No

There's a number of heroes that could take on Supes but he decided to give it to Bruce. Seems to me that Clark acknowledges that Bats is the only one who will do everything it takes to beat Supes. And this is coming from someone who's always thought that if Supes really wanted to he could easliy defeat anyone. Part of his appeal to me is the fact that he always restrains himself when fighting which is probably his biggest weakness and greatest strength.



**PS - I know the kryptonite ring has since been destroyed**

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

**PS - I know the kryptonite ring has since been destroyed**

Its back again....or an other was made.

 

[blksuperman2]

Its back again....or an other was made.

hmm. Didn't know that. Who made it this time?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

hmm. Didn't know that. Who made it this time?

To tell the truth I dont know.

I'm not even sure if it was remade or just retconed back in.I just know its been used within the last year or so.

Unless its been destroyed since then....again, or I'm getting my time frames mixed up.

 

[scatterax]

I understood it....its just irrelivent to the debate.



Again irrelivent since the pre-time is pretty much already in.

As look as he's know about Superman he's been working on ways to defeat him.



And again you want Superman do be able to do everything he does but not Batman.....you just want to fix the fight.

In any fight the first order of buissness would be for Batman to even the odds.

Thats in his character....you want both characters to behave out of character so you can win the debate....Sorry buddy but you fail.



I never beat around the bush.



What????

Money and training is not all Batman has....its his strength of will and his unwillingness to ever give up.

funny. you didn't seem to answer my question. do you think batman can beat superman w/o pretime and w/o de-powering him?

(I mean honestly. you want batman to have every advantage possible and want superman to lose the very powers that make him superman just batman can beat him.)

 

[dnno1]

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

funny. you didn't seem to answer my question.

I did answer your question.

do you think batman can beat superman w/o pretime

That question is irrelevant because Batman has already had years of prep time in planning to take down Superman.

and w/o de-powering him?

And here we are again to you limiting one of the characters.

It is Batmans greatest ability that he plans a way to defeat everyone.

You cant say that Superman has all of his abilities and then limit Batmans abilities for the fight.

Batmans abilities are as much a part of his character as Flying and super strength are to Supermans character.

If Superman has all his abilities in this fight then so should Batman....and one of his abilities would be his plans to even the odds.

(I mean honestly. you want batman to have every advantage possible and want superman to lose the very powers that make him superman just batman can beat him.)

No what I want is for both characters to be able to bring to the fight everything they are capable of doing and everything that is within their character to accomplish.

Thats the only way this fight can come close to being called "FAIR".

Batmans prep-time and planning to even the odds are as much a part of Batmans character as any of Supermans powers are to him.

For Batman not to have a plan or a way to even the odds would be for Batman to be acting out of character.

I want each character to bring to the table everything they are known to be able to do and is within their character.

You on the other hand want to alter how the characters behave and limit the abilities of Batman.

Why is that?????

Why do you insist that Superman be able to use all his abilities but want to limit Batmans?????

Why do you insist that ether behave out of character?????

Must be because your logic is faulty.

Pretty cool.

 

[scatterax]

you say you want both of them to be able to bring everything they got, yet you want a powerless superman. interesting logic there.

 

[RootBeerMaster]

Well if we are makeing the rules be batman vs Superman but batman doesn't have his Ulitiy belt, then yes Superman would beat batman with Easy, Heck I don't even think Superman would need to lift a finger However so would Clay-face and Manbat, they would kill him in his normal batsuit. however this in not how Batman works.

Watch these Batman vs Superman videos and tell me who wins, the last one with Amazo is enlighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yg_p7Rik5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uklSyanOQfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHe-i4ZXwxY&feature=related

the last vido in case you couldn't here the words cause it bad quality.

"do you away's carry Kryptonight around with you?' Hawkgirl
" Call it an Insurance Policy" Batman
" And they Say I am Scary" Hawkgirl - she scared. LOL

So I leave that one for you guys to think about other wise I will agree with the Superman does beat Batman with out Batman's Toys with no effort what so ever people. But I think its a mistake to count Batman out.