Battlefield 3 - Part 1

[Wolvieboy17]

I honestly found the BF campaign about the same level of entertainment as I found the MW 1 and 2 campaigns. Linear FPS, few heavily scripted story moments, a lot of crazy 'just shoot everyone' missions and a lot of 'Oora' military stuff.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I remember when Crysis came out everyone was claiming it was all graphics and no gameplay. No, thats Battlefield 3.

Give me a break, man.

 

[TheBat812]

I doubt it's the worst game ever, but it certainly sounds uninspired. This is why I never buy FPS's anymore.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

You shouldn't let the campaign turn you off the game altogether, because the multiplayer is DEFINITELY inspired. Also, the campaign isn't terrible, it definitely had a few segments that I really enjoyed and it's certainly less popcorn and candy than a COD campaign

 

[Wolvieboy17]

EDIT: Double Post

 

[uniqueweasel]

Does anyone else prefer Conquest to Rush and Death matches?
I find Conquest more enjoyable as a team.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I doubt it's the worst game ever, but it certainly sounds uninspired. This is why I never buy FPS's anymore.

Yep. Most FPS are terrrible these days. This can be attributed mostly to Call Of Duty. Indeed everything that is bad in Battlefield 3 is directly attributed to Call Of Duty. Not just the pointless, mediocre single player. The multiplayer is more interested in XP carrot dangling than being a team shooter. It's almost like when you are sitting on a website being spammed with porn pop ups. Cant do anything without a "well done you" message popping up. Because thats basically why Call Of Duty is so popular amd EA want some of that hot action.

 

[Balthus Dire]

The multiplayer is more interested in XP carrot dangling than being a team shooter. It's almost like when you are sitting on a website being spammed with porn pop ups. Cant do anything without a "well done you" message popping up. Because thats basically why Call Of Duty is so popular amd EA want some of that hot action.

...so, what, you think they should just not include any XP system/unlockables/rewards/ribbons because it somehow lessens the experience? Like, are you serious?? If that's not complaining to complain I don't know what is.

And I couldn't disagree with you more. BF3's MP is solid all around with a major focus on teamplay. I see players all the time who focus entirely on supporting the team, both with medics reviving/healing or support supplying ammo throughout the entire match. Not to mention the kind of team awareness it takes when piloting a vehicle with passengers.

If you hate the BF3 single player, that's fine. It's pretty much disliked across the board. But the MP is pretty much universally praised, and is hardly a brain-dead COD copy like you keep eluding to.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Exactly!

My favourite part of the Bad Company 2 experience was when I had unlocked everything from all the kits and I felt I just had a vast array of tools at my disposal for varied gameplay and team strategy, and Battlefield 3 has only improved and expanded upon that.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Exactly!

My favourite part of the Bad Company 2 experience was when I had unlocked everything from all the kits and I felt I just had a vast array of tools at my disposal for varied gameplay and team strategy, and Battlefield 3 has only improved and expanded upon that.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

...so, what, you think they should just not include any XP system/unlockables/rewards/ribbons because it somehow lessens the experience?

Battlefield 2 had unlocks but it was done in moderation. It was a long term thing rather than instant gratification. You were not spammed constantly with guitar rift peanut throwing nonsense games have now. It's a formula taking from MMO's. It's kind of sad, like it gives people are a reason to live. Thats why they play, not because Call Of Duty is hardcore or skill based, it isn't, it's about getting your little grind towards progression. In Battlefield 2, this wasn't at the forefront, in Battlefield 3, it is at the forefront, above actual team play. They have just crammed as much convoluted progression crap as they can into it. I was playing a game just before it was released (which none of you will play) called Red Orchestra 2. Thats a better team game I think. But this is an indie game without million dollar marketing and a mass media behind it. I also returned back to Team Fortress 2. It's such a wonderful game. So well crafted and beautiful to look at. With amazing value that just keeps giving and giving. I think this fellow does a grand job of explaining why it's such a wonderfully wonderful game,

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But the MP is pretty much universally praised, and is hardly a brain-dead COD copy like you keep eluding to.

I think it's probably a bad idea to listen to "everyone else thinks". EA hyped the hell out of this as a CODVMW. The gaming media done the exact same thing. Generating much a traffic. The reviews done comparisons constantly with afterthoughts and popularity contest. With little kids on youtube saying "dis game sucks COD owns". In the end this is just a big pile of gobblegook crap thats wrong with gaming.

Don't get me wrong, there are things I like. Supression (which has been done in games before) is a nice new feature I also like that it uses pc tech than gimping it for consoles. But it is interested in carrot dangling stuff than operating as a team game. The single player is a poster boy for coke can production lines. Awful, just awful. On the plus side, Skyrim is good. So is Arkham City.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

You literally make no sense dude. The carrot dangling is something in every game, not just MP. Any game that offers rewards for doing acts. RPG's, shooters, fighting games, every kind of game.

If people are playing BF just for the XP and rewards, the problem lies with the players, not the game. I've had no problem using teamwork, and have several great games with not only a single squad working together, but multiple squads all communicating various strategies.

If you have a problem with a way the games are hyped up these days or the way the media reports on them, fair enough, but that doesn't automatically make a game bad, unless you have to be so cynical and elitist that it automatically makes it so... and in a way, also makes you a bit of a hypocrite, hey?

 

[Balthus Dire]

Battlefield 2 had unlocks but it was done in moderation. It was a long term thing rather than instant gratification. You were not spammed constantly with guitar rift peanut throwing nonsense games have now. It's a formula taking from MMO's. It's kind of sad, like it gives people are a reason to live. Thats why they play, not because Call Of Duty is hardcore or skill based, it isn't, it's about getting your little grind towards progression. In Battlefield 2, this wasn't at the forefront, in Battlefield 3, it is at the forefront, above actual team play. They have just crammed as much convoluted progression crap as they can into it.

I think it's probably a bad idea to listen to "everyone else thinks". EA hyped the hell out of this as a CODVMW. The gaming media done the exact same thing. Generating much a traffic. The reviews done comparisons constantly with afterthoughts and popularity contest. With little kids on youtube saying "dis game sucks COD owns". In the end this is just a big pile of gobblegook crap thats wrong with gaming.

So, hang on...it's a bad idea to listen to what "everyone else thinks," but how is that any different whatsoever than listening to what "you" think? Personally, I'm not drawing my opinions based on anyone's opinions; I've formed my opinions about the game based on my own playing experiences with it. And, personally, I think the MP is both engaging and rewarding at the same time. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Also, I don't play for unlocks or EXP. I play because it's fun as hell. The unlocks and EXP are just cool things that add to the experience and also add some longevity to the MP. I'm sorry but I just can't take you seriously in saying that's a bad thing.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

You literally make no sense dude. The carrot dangling is something in every game, not just MP. Any game that offers rewards for doing acts. RPG's, shooters, fighting games, every kind of game.

I didn't say that.

Battlefield 2 had unlocks but it was done in moderation. It was a long term thing rather than instant gratification. You were not spammed constantly with guitar rift peanut throwing nonsense games have now.

In Battlefield 2, this wasn't at the forefront, in Battlefield 3, it is at the forefront, above actual team play. They have just crammed as much convoluted progression crap as they can into it.

I didn't say that either.

If you have a problem with a way the games are hyped up these days or the way the media reports on them, fair enough, but that doesn't automatically make a game bad?

I think it's probably a bad idea to listen to "everyone else thinks".

In the end this is just a big pile of gobblegook crap thats wrong with gaming.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

So, hang on...it's a bad idea to listen to what "everyone else thinks," but how is that any different whatsoever than listening to what "you" think?

It's pretty clear I was talking about the mainstream media and people who buy unquestionably into it.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Well, you must be talking to yourself in that case, because we're talking about BF3.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Well, you must be talking to yourself in that case, because we're talking about BF3.

It's pretty much disliked across the board. But the MP is pretty much universally praised

No, I was talking to you, thus I qouted it specfically regarding your argument regarding the game. This is pointless, it seems there isn't any argument other than bad attempts at attempting to pick mine apart and taking comments out of context. Poor form son, poor form.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Why do you people still engage in conversation with Spock? He is clearly just a parody of a stuck up game nerd. I actually think its multiple people keeping the gag going. Not just one uptight ass hat.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Does anyone else prefer Conquest to Rush and Death matches?
I find Conquest more enjoyable as a team.

I do man, which is odd because i preferred Rush over Conquest in BC2.

 

[Balthus Dire]

No, I was talking to you, thus I qouted it specfically regarding your argument regarding the game. This is pointless, it seems there isn't any argument other than bad attempts at attempting to pick mine apart and taking comments out of context. Poor form son, poor form.

I'm not taking anything out of context, thanks. Your last few "critique" ramblings barely make any sense to the point where you are almost unintentionally complaining about games as a whole, and then when someone comes and counters some ridiculous point you're trying to make, you instead turn your critiques to the "mainstream media" or some other nonsense.

Point: you complain just to complain, and you argue just to have something to argue about. It's getting old.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I'm not taking anything out of context,

Well yea, you are. You are claiming I am not talking about Battlefield 3, when I clearly am. It's a direct response to a quote with you regarding what "everyone thinks" like this should factor into it.

. Your last few "critique" ramblings barely make any sense to the point where you are almost unintentionally complaining about games as a whole.

Actually my point was very basic and (what should be) easy to comprehend. The game is more interested with throwing peanuts via convoluted unlocked and perks than it is in operating as a team game. See? Not hard to understand.

Everything else is simply me retorting to your arguments, with almost all of it attempting to take me out of context or not understanding what is being said at all (see wolfs post above).

I also used Battlefield 2 as a direct comparison, from what I understand, you are console gamer and I recall reading you hadn't actually played it. So, why exactly are you attempting to argue in the first place? Because you can? Because you don't like what I am saying? Son, thats just childish. I don't complain because I can, I try to be objective and honest. Big diffrence son, big diffrence.

If you jump back a month or two, you will clearly see I was excited as any of you hoping the game would be great. This was of course, mis judged.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Umm, go back and read some of your posts above. I'm not going to sit here quoting you to the ends of the earth, but you clearly go into ramblings about both the media, games in general, the CODvsBF3 battle, and random inserts of other videogames that you find to be better. Yes, you do make some points about BF3 along the way...and like I said, when someone counters them, you instead jump to something else to whine about.

Your original complaint, as ridiculous as I think it is, was about the "carrot dangling" or "peanut throwing" as you've coined.

Like Wolvie said, "carrot dangling" is in almost every videogame out there. It's not some exclusive BS to COD or BF3. If you're going to complain about rewards in games, then you'd better start whining about Skyrim's level system or Gears 3's online XP system or, hell, the entire concept of "achievements" or "trophies."

And yes, I didn't play BC2. But here's the catch...are you paying attention?...we are talking about Battlefield 3. I'm not critiquing BC2. I'm not commenting on what was great or not great about BC2. I'm responding to complaints that you are making about BF3, which I play regularly and very much enjoy. And, I find those complaints you are making to be silly, so I am offering reasons as to why I think they are silly complaints. See? Not hard to understand.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

And yes, I didn't play BC2. But here's the catch...are you paying attention?...

I said Battlefield 2, repeatedly.
We are done here, it's time to move on.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Well, I said I'd never played BC2, not BF2. I actually did play BF2.


...so, what's your point exactly?

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

And yes, I didn't play BC2.

You specfically acknowledgment me with that game as a response. I recall seeing a post from you saying you didn't. Which I brought up before hand. And I specifically mentioned Battlefield 2 in detail going so far to detail it not being on console. Either way, if you aren't lying, you are still taking it out of context with a completely diffrent game and using an argument that doesn't exist. Like pretty much every argument so far. We have moved on, this is living in the past. It's not healthy at all.