BBC's Sherlock: Series 3

[PWN3R]

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I don't think he is directly back. I think he is very much dead and has something planned from beyond the grave.

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I hope he isn't back. Having him end his life in order to **** with Sherlock was brilliant. It works with this version of Moriarty. I hope they have something else planned because if it's just him being alive... I can't take another unexplained event on that damn building....

Also, did "Mike" just casually reference a third (dead) Holmes brother?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

What if it's Sebastian Moran?

 

[Liam_H]

Let's hope its not another two years.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

That was one hell of a season finale. To be honest, I feel I predicted most of the episode as I was watching it, didn't make it any less a fantastic episode though.

And yes, that ending. Wow. Sure hope we don't have to wait 2 years to see where that ends up, though I have my doubts of where it goes, could turn out bad but it is quite, well as the man himself would likely say; delicious to see where it goes.

 

[DarkSentinel]

Dat ending.

Hell, that whole episode.

 

[TheVileOne]

What if it's Sebastian Moran?

He was in the premiere of season 3 and they already dealt with him.

 

[chamber-music]

The east wind lines were a homage to Basil Rathbone's 1942 film Sherlock Holmes and the Voice of Terror.

This was my least favourite episode of series 3. This episode had some good moments in it but overall I didn't like it as much as the other two.

Magnussen pulling a Big Lebowski on Sherlock's fireplace. I guessed Magnussen

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vault of secrets was in his own mind palace within the first 10 minutes of the episode. I though John would be the one to kill him though

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The after credits one could have been recorded prior or non-canon.

Moffat wouldn't put something non-canon in his series, unless it's a reference to other works (like his east wind reference in Sherlock and Shalka reference in Doctor Who).

Also, the BBC said it was a part of the episode, but that doesn't mean it's canon obviously.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Seriously, why do we have to wait all this extra time in the US? Makes no sense. Just air them a day later.

To venture a guess, its because the BBC doesn't control when it airs in the U.S.

Unlike with Doctor Who, which they can control the U.S. AND U.K. air dates on and can air both the same day.

 

[RetroNaz]

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Moriarty obviously had a fake gun if he's still alive. That simple if he's truly not dead.

 

[Hyde]

This episode was absolutely brilliant...... Right until the last ten minutes.

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Moriarty should not be back. Moffat has issues with sticking to his own rules and keeping characters dead, as evidenced in Doctor Who, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that he may have also faked his death.

Did anyone die on that roof?

Moriarty was a fantastic villain, we can all agree, and Andrew Scott was brilliant. But the show has to move on to other villains, and it felt like Moffat and Gatiss just killed off Magnussen so that they could get back to Moriarty quickly when in fact he was just as brilliant an enemy. The idea that one man is controlling the whole western world with an empire of blackmail and knowledge?

That's terrifying, and an incredibly real possibility given how ****ed up the world is today. There's so much more to be done with a character like that. Unfortunately the writers don't feel the same way - they said on Twitter that they wanted to "honour" the original story by killing him, however they then go and resurrect Moriarty.

Because that happened in the books.

Like, if they can figure out a good, intelligent and entertaining way of bringing him back which won't disrespect Series 2 and not feel forced then great, but at the moment I'm not excited at all.

 

[Pepsiguy2]

To venture a guess, its because the BBC doesn't control when it airs in the U.S.

Quite the opposite. BBC has complete control. It's their show. It's their property. They get to air it first. I don't know if the month-ish long delay is their doing, but yes, they control when it airs internationally. PBS said it didn't debut earlier because "BBC get first transmission rights" or something like that.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Moriarty might not be back. On the whole, they've stuck fairly close to the books.

Maybe Mycroft engineered a bogeyman so Sherlock is always needed. He said Sherlock would always be needed and he would dearly miss Sherlock, maybe he's dying.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I'm certain that Moriarty, the original, is not back.

It's someone else enacting a post mortem plan of his, or outright taking up his mantle, so to speak.


HOWEVER, given the brilliance that Moriarty has shown so far, I wouldn't put it past him to have concocted a plan to make it off that roof, just like Sherlock did.

So if he is alive, I won't be shocked.

And really, I'd be glad. I never really agreed with the decision to kill him off (just as I don't agree with the decision to kill Magnussen off, even though it had to be done).Though, it was a brilliant twist to have him kill himself to defeat Sherlock.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I kinda hope after series 5, they're done, and if Moriarty is back for real, leave him until then.

 

[Teelie]

Also, did "Mike" just casually reference a third (dead) Holmes brother?

I think he did. It isn't canon to the original stories as far as I can remember so it either is a new invention or something he made in jest.

As to Moriarty, I'm guessing it's not really him, or if it is him, it was his twin brother on the roof or this is his twin brother. I hope they don't go the route of twins though. It's so cliched and boring. More likely it is some kind of nefarious "after I'm dead" plan he had cooking but there's definitely someone behind it, a second in command/protégé who was tasked with the job.

 

[TheVileOne]

If the show didn't return after this season, this would've been a decent ending of sorts. The cliffhanger was not as big as seasons 1 and 2. And it went out on a rather humorous note. As in, we know Sherlock is no longer exiled from England and he's coming back to the save the day. Watson has that fun moment of saying Sherlock is the East Wind.

 

[chamber-music]

I wonder if they will introduce Moriarty's brother.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

He was in the premiere of season 3 and they already dealt with him.

Seriously? I must have missed that.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I think he did. It isn't canon to the original stories as far as I can remember so it either is a new invention or something he made in jest.

As to Moriarty, I'm guessing it's not really him, or if it is him, it was his twin brother on the roof or this is his twin brother. I hope they don't go the route of twins though. It's so cliched and boring. More likely it is some kind of nefarious "after I'm dead" plan he had cooking but there's definitely someone behind it, a second in command/protégé who was tasked with the job.

Or he used a squib and a blank. Moriarty's death was MUCH easier to fake than Sherlock's.

Even in Doyle's later books, he tells these stories that are clearly meant to be Sherlock and Moriarty - but the identities are never disclosed - still going at it at an old age. It's possible.

EDIT: Looks like it was "The Lost Special" but they sort of already used the plot of the missing train.

 

[DarkSentinel]

I wouldn't put it past Moriarty to have (like Asteroid-Man suggested) used a squib and a blood-splatter pack (after all, he did pull the whole "Richard Brook, actor" thing on Sherlock in series 2, it would've been easy enough for him to acquire) on the back of his head.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Did anyone else find...

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Sherlock just shooting Magnussen in the head a bit un-Sherlock-ish? I have no issue with Sherlock using guns, but him just shooting him like that, for lack of a better plan seemed a bit out of character.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I feel like it worked because he was clearly calculated all of the possible approaches to the next course of action. He then decided that shooting him before the chopper's arrival could involve John.

Also, I feel like he HAD planned for it, considering he told Watson to bring the gun in the first place. Pretty precise, if you ask me.

 

[antsman41]

Yeah... once the whole Mind Palace was provoked, Sherlock totally knew he had to kill CAM. It's his pressure point, to save John. And, in turn the only way to do so was to save Mary and take the fall for the 'selling government information'.

Holy ****, that episode was amazing and this is by far their tightest, best series to date. God, I love this show... it's so perfect.

I honestly can't fathom a better "movie" coming out in 2014 than this mere episode of 'television'.

Also, I'm excited you-now-who is ~back. I hope it's some sort of a program/virus-terrorist act he pre-installed after his death. Will be very Jokerish, who I think was a perfect way to re-imagine Moriarty for this time period anyways.

"You Need An Ace In The Whole."

Concerning quotes, I loved all of the Nolan-Batman lines this series had; ala "Necessary Evil" and a few other that I'm forgetting off the top of my head.

 

[Deserana]

One thing that sort of irked me was the amount of Doctor Who lines reused by Moffat in this episode, there's a fine line between referencing and reusing. Some off the top of my head were "the secret of Leicster Gardens. Hidden in plain sight" pretty much the exact same as "The oldest question. Hidden in plain sight" used in Who. And also Sherlock saying "What exactly is the point of you?" which Amy says the exact same way to The Doctor in Who. There were a few more as well.

Anyway but on the whole that episode was terrific. The scene of Sherlock getting shot was one of my favorite sequences the show has done. But the ending of Magnusson was a little weak I don't believe no matter how much he thought he'd won that he would tell Sherlock his entire secret. The ending ending though blew my mind. That was something.

The ONLY thing I want in Season 4 is for there to be a strong case based episode! Something that was seriously lacking for me. The letters of Lady Smallwood was barely touched upon. Season one and two ESPECIALLY the pilot showed that the show can mix character and case seamlessly a balance that wasn't really here this time. Part of the thrill of some of season 1 and 2 was trying to figure it all out as well but this season there really wasn't anything to figure.

On the whole it's my second best season. Despite what I said it was a very tight season with no weak link.