Ben Affleck IS Batman - - Part 11

Discussion in 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice' started by Thread Manager, Dec 26, 2013.

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  1. slumcat

    slumcat Well-Known Member

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    I found him extremely annoying in TSN, both his character and his performance.

    I think it was totally stunt casting. I think Fincher likes to do that. Casting Razzie legends Ben Affleck and Tyler Perry in lead roles in his next film also reeks of stunt casting to me. I mean seriously, he could do no better than that?
     
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  2. slumcat

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    Well he WAS terrible in that decade wasn't he? I think Affleck's Worst Actor of the decade Razzie nomination for 2000-2009 was not misplaced.
    I think RDJ is in a different universe than Affleck. He's a million times the actor that Affleck is. I don't think the two can really be compared.
     
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    Wasn't comparing their skills, just saying he's the big name that was brought in to create a buzz
     
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  5. slumcat

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    Even on that level there is no comparison. Affleck is NOT a box office draw. He actually tanked one superhero film.

    Downey meanwhile has led his last 6 films to atleast 100 million domestic and much much more worldwide.

    So even in the sense of box office power and popularity, the two are not in the same universe.
     
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  6. Alonsovich

    Alonsovich Schumacher's Spider-man

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    He says in BB "I'm not an executioner", not "I don't kill". That doesn't mean that he doesn't kill. It means he doesn't deliberately kill. There's a difference in that. Deaths come from collateral damage. It's unavoidable, but he won't deliberately slash someone's neck.
     
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  7. TheOneWhoKnocks

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    Yes... starting with Iron Man he has had many 100 million grossers. That is the point of comparison, Downey entering that franchise (43 at release) when he did and Affleck entering this franchise (42 at release). Before Iron Man, Downey Jr. had exactly zero 100 million dollar grossers. Before this Man of Steel sequel, Affleck will have had at least 7, including Daredevil, which made more than twice its budget worldwide.

    Buzz (good or bad) is not necessarily box office, but Affleck's casting has generated more buzz than any other casting in recent memory.
     
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  8. slumcat

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    I think its absurd to think that just because RDJ is a huge star, Affleck will invariably become one.

    And if Affleck's casting generated a lot of buzz online, I would say most of it (save SHH) was excessively negative, on an unprecedented scale.

    The point is, at this point, he is not comparable to RDJ in terms of box office clout.
     
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    No one said he would invariably become a huge star. The statement was, in reference to the RDJ/Affleck comparison, "just saying he's the big name that was brought in to create a buzz", like Marvel brought in a big name like RDJ in 2008. Buzz, good or bad, he has generated. And by quantifiable box office results, Affleck is a bigger name now than RDJ was when Marvel brought him in. That's it.
     
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    The interesting thing is if Affleck does kill it as Batman like RDJ did with IM then that is the comparison that will be made. That's just how the media likes to work.
     
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  11. Keyser Soze

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    (Peeks head into thread, sees slumcat is still overblowing Ben Affleck's shortcomings and downplaying his accomplishments, leaves.)
     
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  12. TheOneWhoKnocks

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    RDJ's success is the upside for Affleck. There's virtually no risk. If he fails miserably, he's a director of Oscar winning/nominated movies and a guy that directors like Fincher and Malick want in their movies. If it works, he is those things, hitched to one of the most globally recognized icons and re-introduced to audiences under the age of 15/16 who aren't really familiar with his career.
     
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    Very true and great points! There is a tremendous upside for Affleck. Though I do think there is also a downside too. DD and Gigli will be rehashed and his rep as an actor will take a hit if he has another critical bomb. He'll still have fame as a director, but people tend to remember failures more than successes most times.

    I truly hope Affleck does well. I am skeptical, but he could totally kill it as Batman, and then all the naysayers will have to eat their words. Yet...that will be impossible because someone will repost those words for all the Hype to see. :yay:
     
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  14. KillerMcQueen

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    Same here.
     
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    True, audiences tend to remember failures. I was amazed by how many people brought up Gigli when the announcement was made, even though it only made around 7 million dollars worldwide. Especially in the high school/college crowd, being that they were very young when it came out. Are terrible, hardly-seen movies popular rentals? I just think, as far as getting good work with talented people behind/in front of the camera, it won't affect him.

    I'm also skeptical about him as Bruce/Batman. But I have faith that he knows exactly what he's getting into after the disappointment of Daredevil, and seeing how upset people are makes me root for him more each day.
     
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    I kinda wonder, isn't Cavill supposed to be the RDJ of DC.

    RDJ launched the MCCU and starred in 5 of their films. All other stars like the two Chrises and Scarlett followed him.

    Cavill has launched the DCCU. So technically shouldn't he be the big guy, the RDJ, and not Affleck?
     
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    That logic would mean Christian Bale=Tobey Maguire
     
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    lol...I think so. It's like you have to watch it just to see what all the hype is about, but I you're also right if the "S" goes south then he'll be okay in he long run. He won't be able to avoid the fallout though.
    Well...no because the comparison of just starting a franchise isn't really what's being compared. The RDJ thing is a bit specific to an actor who has some history in Hollywood that includes failures. Affleck is a more apt comparison because some of the same failures RDJ was known for also apply to Affleck, i.e. the substance abuse. The comparison is really more about career resurgence, and if Affleck kills it as Batman he will FINALLY put a lot of his naysayers to bed because he will have finally redeemed his DD days. No one will be saying **** after that.
     
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    RDJ was NEVER considered a bad actor. Like he wasn't winning Razzies. He had fallen to bad days and was in flops and all and not getting work, but never considered a bad actor. So in that case he is yet different from Affleck.

    I would say in Affleck's case he would have to in a way prove that he can be a good actor, a bigger task, in RDJ's case, he just had to prove that he could be a leading man and pull in audiences, we already knew he was a good actor.

    Even before Iron Man, Downey was abso-****ing-lutely fantastic in Zodiac, another Fincher production.

    Maybe that bodes well for Affleck? Downey did a Fincher role and then hit it out of the park with a superhero role. Affleck has just done a Fincher role too...
     
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  20. Boom

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    Guarantee Affleck is great in Gone Girl.
     
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    Fincher's last 3 lead characters - Pitt/Button, Eisenberg/Social Network and Mara/Dragon Tattoo have gotten Oscar nominations.

    So maybe Affleck or Rosamund Pike will get lucky and get a first Oscar nomination for acting!
     
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    Damn I can't wait for the first (un-)official shots of Affleck in a Bat costume.
     
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    ^ Me neither. I just have a feeling this batsuit is gonna be so good.
     
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    The point is they have both experienced some failures. They have one failure in common with the substance abuse, but I wasn't saying that to say they have the exact same failures. As for Affleck's acting, I don't think he's the best actor, but he surely isn't the worse and no one has really said that. To his detriment and regardless of his success, DD and Gigli follow him like a stink. A successful turn as the caped crusader will do a lot to diminish or even remove that stink for good, which would be similar to what happened to RDJ after his successful turn as IM. People stopped talking about all the crap he did in the past because they were so impressed with IM.
     
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    I think it's important to note that most of Affleck's poor performances are also in horrible movies - indicating it's a problem with the script/direction much moreso than the actor. I feel sometimes people forget just how important a director is to a performance and the perception of a performance. Even exceptional actors need good direction and notes in order to thrive.
     
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